BOY that ARGIE was overated thread!

WC 1998...what a memories...Holland-Argentina was for me the best game after Italy-Norway !!

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

Juligen wrote:

Ian St. Glenn wrote:Julian your avatar offends sensitive men everywhere.

I forgot about my avatar Glenn, doesnt Liverpool has a Argentine player? I actually thought that Aimar was going to Liverpool since Benitez is there.

aren't you from Brazil?

I'd love Aimar, but it's probably too late

Can we add Paletta? heard he was the next Ayala but turned out to be the next Pelegrini

Juligen wrote:Aimar actually started his career in Europe very well, Valencia was doing great, they won a Liga, which if you think that Barca and Real dominates, is not that easy and I thought that he was going to be a World Champion with Argentina in 2002.
Then after Benitez left he got some wealth problems he never was the same.

Do you mean health or wealth? Never seemed the greedy type. Valencia won La Liga twice under Benitez and UEFA Cup as well. Aimar was important player in both of those wins. He was sold for just €5m to Zaragoza by Carboni, apparrently against the wishes of Quique Sanchez Flores.

L r d wrote:

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

L r d wrote:

BoBo Vieri 3-2 wrote:how could we forget this guy

Was Ortega overated Bobo? Always had the impression he did pretty well but don't remember his career.

in the Aimar catagory. Maybe made the wrong move, maybe moved too late. Was a great player who got bored and went home.

hmmmmm i imagine he got a lot of hype

So verdict OVERATED

Never hit the heights never hit the heights.

I'd put him in the Gascoigne category, bit like Waddle or Platt in career terms. Mido-esque. He was an awesome player but completely mental. Give Rooney too much pace and 4 Stellas and you've got Ortega. I'm sure Fergie could have sorted him out

We all know he wont make it to the real top..


Who do you say??? Exactly

L r d wrote:
Cant quite recall what happenend in 02, but i remember in 98 he butted VDS only for Bergkamp to score a few minutes later.

That year i hated Argentinia after Simone and Beckham Simone was a super c**t. Bergkamp's goal could have been a goal in a cl final for manu, it was great

I get so emotional, I watched that game against Holland, he scandalously dived and tried to get a penalty, so VDS got mad at him, then he head betted VDS and got sent off. We in Brasil always watch every single Argentina game in WC, just to see the moment that they get eliminated.
WE say that WC has two special moments, one when Brasil wins and the other when Argentina gets sent off. Both makes me cry. (please don’t kill me Barrilete, you know you hate us too)

L r d wrote:
Can we add Paletta? heard he was the next Ayala but turned out to be the next Pelegrini

well the current Ayala didn't come good until he was 25 so Paletta still has time. Bump this thread in 4 years if he doesn't

EMP wrote:

Juligen wrote:Aimar actually started his career in Europe very well, Valencia was doing great, they won a Liga, which if you think that Barca and Real dominates, is not that easy and I thought that he was going to be a World Champion with Argentina in 2002.
Then after Benitez left he got some wealth problems he never was the same.

Do you mean health or wealth? Never seemed the greedy type. Valencia won La Liga twice under Benitez and UEFA Cup as well. Aimar was important player in both of those wins. He was sold for just €5m to Zaragoza by Carboni, apparrently against the wishes of Quique Sanchez Flores.

Oh my God, health, saúde, I posted too fast and didnt read first. If I am not mistaken he just had a surgery

Juligen wrote:he scandalously dived and tried to get a penalty, so VDS got mad at him, then he head betted VDS and got sent off.

I remember that! It was the year I realised all Argentinians must be c**ts, Maradona, Simeone and Ortega, it only takes 3 to make it a fact

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

BoBo Vieri 3-2 wrote:
I always found these overrated Argies were pretty useful in Championship Manager. Part of the reason they were overrated was because they were so good on games like these. Remember Cavenaghi? he used to get me 30+ goals a season yet all see that he is just an average striker now.

Cavenaghi and Cisse were awesome for me in the 2004 game, you could get Cavenaghi, Robinho, Diego and some change for a shilling. Even better was the early games when Maradona and Gascoigne retired they came back as 16 year olds. Oh the spooge.

Indeed. Kevin Hofland and Riquelme in the 2002 game were awesome. (Riquelme's ability always went up to about 190). Gallardo and Montenegro in 1999 (there's another 2 for your list though it would perhaps be a bit harsh to put Gallardo in there).

Fey wrote:WC 1998...what a memories...Holland-Argentina was for me the best game after Italy-Norway !!

Last really good world cup So many incidents drama talking points and good matches. Such a great game to have such a great winner is rare

L r d wrote:

BoBo Vieri 3-2 wrote:how could we forget this guy

Was Ortega overated Bobo? Always had the impression he did pretty well but don't remember his career.

He scored a brace against Jamaica, and suddenly he's the new Maradona? From what i saw of him in Serie A, he always dissapointed me. He had good dribbling skills but that was pretty much it. Too weak and too greedy with the ball. Was always a good buy in championship manager though

Ian St. Glenn wrote:can I have Riquelme? He was a bit of a 1 season wonder with a revival. Or Gustavo Lopez? Oh if only Freddy Adu were Argentine my memory is useless

Was he Claudio Lopez's brother? What about Dario Husain and Claudio Husain? remember them?

@Coop

sorry man but how on earth did marinelli ever had to cope with the new Maradona label(which by the way is more freely given away by european media than by ours)???i don't think there was any coach that actually rated him bar the naive boro youth managers...Still, thanks for the money

@at the rest of you

Aimar was huge for Benitez's Valencia. Voted most influential player for the team in the season triumphs by the fans back then
His only problem was that his physique which never allowed him to fully develop as a player. Even with the games that his body let him play he still oozed class in every ball he touched. He(or she) who says otherwise has never actually seen him play for more than two games.

I seriously doubt anyone every rated Palermo the next Maradona, the guy could loose the ball between his legs(I think it has happened before) all by himself, yet he has scored so many goals it's unbelievable...not to mention to one of your beloved keepers Casillas

L r d wrote:

Fey wrote:WC 1998...what a memories...Holland-Argentina was for me the best game after Italy-Norway !!

Last really good world cup So many incidents drama talking points and good matches. Such a great game to have such a great winner is rare

I cried when we lost to cuntish Brazil...I remember my dad promised me the WC final!! So I was pissed at him, and went playing my illegal version of Tekken 3 on full volume that night!!

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:@Coop

sorry man but how on earth did marinelli ever had to cope with the new Maradona label(who by the way is more freely given away by european media than by ours)???i don't think there was any coach that actually rated him bar the naive boro youth managers...Still, thanks for the money

I dont think he ever did cope with it..he was good though. He performed well when he did actually play..he was just too greedy at times and was far too arrogant for a young player who hadnt made it. There were times when he was given instructions and he just looked disgusted and shrugged his shoulders as if to say "Im Marinelli, who are you to tell me what to do?"...I think if the coaches at the club had been able to deal with that he would've been good. Gascoigne rated him(I know being rated by a mental case might not be great but still..)he said he was the only player he'd pay to watch at Middlesbrough. Usually created alot when he played..could beat men, could score goals..just the attitude problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:@at the rest of you

Aimar was huge for Benitez's Valencia. Voted most influential player for the team in the season triumphs by the fans back then
His only problem was that his physique which never allowed him to fully develop as a player. Even with the games that his body let him play he still oozed class in every ball he touched. He(or she) who says otherwise has never actually seen him play for more than two games.

I think that this is pretty much what people here are saying about him Barrilete, he was great in his early career in Valencia, but his health didn’t help him and he started to struggle.
Also is important to point out that he never really got a chance at you National Team, I always felt that he was badly used there.

you can say what you like about the Nazi's, but they do produce their fair share of wonderkids.

borocooper wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

it's all about being the new Messi these days Coop, get with the program/programme

Ian St. Glenn wrote:you can say what you like about the Nazi's, but they do produce their fair share of wonderkids.

The Hitler Jugend was sheer class.

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

borocooper wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

it's all about being the new Messi these days Coop, get with the program/programme

http://liverpool.livefootball.co.uk/newsarticle.asp?article=305

borocooper wrote:

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

borocooper wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

it's all about being the new Messi these days Coop, get with the program/programme

http://liverpool.livefootball.co.uk/newsarticle.asp?article=305

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A27428943

borocooper wrote:

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

borocooper wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

it's all about being the new Messi these days Coop, get with the program/programme

http://liverpool.livefootball.co.uk/newsarticle.asp?article=305

oh ffs

Fey wrote:

L r d wrote:

Fey wrote:WC 1998...what a memories...Holland-Argentina was for me the best game after Italy-Norway !!

Last really good world cup So many incidents drama talking points and good matches. Such a great game to have such a great winner is rare

I cried when we lost to cuntish Brazil...I remember my dad promised me the WC final!! So I was pissed at him, and went playing my illegal version of Tekken 3 on full volume that night!!

I hated Kluivert for that goal so much, thanks God we guys shake it in the Pen. The great Tafarell

borocooper wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

borocooper wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

it's all about being the new Messi these days Coop, get with the program/programme

http://liverpool.livefootball.co.uk/newsarticle.asp?article=305

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A27428943

he's at our feeder club, when he's ready for the Premiership he's ours

This guy was overrated aswell i thought.

borocooper wrote:

Ian St. Glenn wrote:

borocooper wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Maradona

Chelsea have a new one apparently.

it's all about being the new Messi these days Coop, get with the program/programme

http://liverpool.livefootball.co.uk/newsarticle.asp?article=305

Much better than Messi, you ppl will see this , plus he has legs as strong as ibarra from Boca(or il capitano from inter if you like)

BoBo Vieri 3-2 wrote:This guy was overrated aswell i thought.

Is that Sorin i was just about to put him!

number 32

Not the new Maradona, but a very hyped up full back. Turned out a run of the mill poor mans Neville

Fey wrote:WC 1998...what a memories...Holland-Argentina was for me the best game after Italy-Norway !!

images from batistuta hitting the post against you still affect my dreams...vdv was just a c**t