Hitzlsperger vs Carrick

who's it gonna be

tweeds tells me Hitz is all about a strong left foot

yet, the boy is now a Bundesliga champ; a firm fixture in the Nationalmannschaft (if not in the A-Team) and whenever he did stand in for Frings or so , was doing his job with intelligence and dedication

he can play on the left or in the centre as well

and is a dedicated observer of the stock-market

in fact, he would discuss quartly stock-market results with Eddie George, the Governor of the Bank of England, AS AN EQUAL



and reads motivational self-improvement books in his spare time

anglo will fill in the blanks

so why did the German cost Stuttgart a pittance whereas Carrick nearly broke the bank at ManU ?



and who would you rather have in your team ? (rhetorical question )

If I preferred my team to remain a midtable English Premiership club,

or a high achieving German league side but one unable to make an impression in Europe, then I'd have Hitzelsperger everytime

They are both pretty average, limited players. I'd say neither - where's that option?

767/5060

bernd

by the end of July, Hitzelsperger will be a European Champ whereas Carrick will not even have reached the Final of the CL

you heard it here first

wahre G

26-Otto-19 wrote:

so why did the German cost Stuttgart a pittance whereas Carrick nearly broke the bank at ManU ?

Why? Because he couldn't get into the first team of a reasonably shite Villa side (back then).

He was a decent player, granted, but he was particularly good with the ball - he has a dynamite left foot but aside from that, he's just your run of the mill player. Take away that shot and you have a mid-low quality top flight player.

and who would you rather have in your team ? (rhetorical question )

26-Otto-19 wrote:bernd

by the end of July, Hitzelsperger will be a European Champ whereas Carrick will not even have reached the Final of the CL

you heard it here first

wahre G

You mean Stuttgart are going to win the UEFA Cup? Oh.... my mistake, you mean Germany are going to become European Champions. With Thomas warming the bench. Great illustration of his ability

The likelihood is that Carrick on the otherhand will have played an integral part in United winning another title to add to his from last year, alongside his goals against Roma in the CL quarterfinal.

Add to that the possibility of further success at the highest level - the CL- in comparison with being stuck on the bench for country and playing for a club now not likely to win anything at all,

and you can see why if I were looking for my team to be just "good" and nothing more, then I would definitely have Hitzelsperger

@bernd

a) you are impossible

b) you are clearly anti-Hitzelsperger

Hitzelsperger, clearly the superior option.

Otto: you put too many e's in Hitzlsperger.

Hitz was alright: hard-worker, great shot, but never a top quality midfielder. too lightweight and not a good enough passer to ever dominate in midfield. fair play to him though, he's made the best of his ability to get in the German squad and win stuff with Stuttgart. certainly won more than he would've done staying at Villa

debaser wrote:Otto: you put too many e's in Hitzlsperger.

Hitz was alright: hard-worker, great shot, but never a top quality midfielder. too lightweight and not a good enough passer to ever dominate in midfield. fair play to him though, he's made the best of his ability to get in the German squad and win stuff with Stuttgart. certainly won more than he would've done staying at Villa

I was wondering when someone would point out the incorrect spelling. I think Hitz is a good player, but I don't think he is as talented as Carrick. I do enjoy watching him play for Stuttgart though and he has improved quite a bit from what I remember of him at Villa.

I don't think he has been in particularly great form recently. He is doing ok, but I don't recall seeing him dominate a midfield or control a game vey often this season. Of course Anglo will be best placed to say if this is the case, but that's my impression at any rate. He put in a decent performance for Germany last week though.

26-Otto-19 wrote:@bernd

a) you are impossible

b) you are clearly anti-Hitzelsperger

a) From you, I take this as a compliment

b) you are clearly anti-Carrick

How dare you of all people tried to put Carrick to your stupid comparisons , thats it I dont think you are German at all ,havent seen a German who couldnt give his opponents the praise they deserve , you are a Londoner Herr Otto nothing less nothing more.

For M Carrick , I wished he was German oh one better Bavarian.

26-Otto-19 wrote:@bernd

a) you are impossible

b) you are clearly anti-Hitzelsperger

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this.

Oh, stop it, all of you. Why do I always have to be the voice of reason.

1.) Hitzl is no Torsten Frings - sorry, Otto, he's a hardworking, reliable (well, usually) player, who will look good in a team with UEFA Cup aspirations.

2.) That said, he's no anti-footballer like, say, Robert Huth (sorry, Robbie...) either.

3.) He had an awful first season at Stuttgart.
3a.) Due to the fact he had problems adapting to the Bundesliga and
3b.) that Trap kept rotating the team so much, most of them (well, everyone apart from Hild€, actually) ended up looking like shadows of their former selves.

4.) Hitzl then went on to play a pretty vital part in the Championship-winning season, alongside Pavel Pardo. He brought stability to an otherwise pretty inexperienced midfield (Khedira, Hilbert).

5.) Something that was only noticed, as per usual with fairly quiet players (Baumann, Soldo and Pardo spring to mind as examples), when he was out with injury during the first half of the season.

6.) It's no coincidence Stuttgart won the first game that he was back (1-0 against Leverkusen, Beck scored). I watched the game on TV and they looked a lot different compared to the week before.

7.) He's currently going through a slump in form--the match against Hanover aside (the whole team was Cr@p and produced nothing except misplaced passes), he has been fairly anonymous (at least for Stuttgart).

8.) That said, he's still good for the odd long range effort that poses at least some danger.

So--stop bashing him and for God's sake, stop hyping him. As I tried to say, he is an important player for Stuttgart--when he is on form and does merit his place in the national squad. However, if Schweini, Frings et al are fit or have recovered from whatever mental block is hindering them, he doesn't stand a chance. Well, except if Löw is desperate for a leftback again and has once again forgotten about Hitzl's awful games in that position (he looked so uncomfortable it was painful to watch).

Oh, and I think it's pretty evident that he's a lovely and intelligent person off the pitch. But that's just the icing on the cake.

Here's to The Hammer.

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Oh, stop it, all of you. Why do I always have to be the voice of reason.

1.) Hitzl is no Torsten Frings - sorry, Otto, he's a hardworking, reliable (well, usually) player, who will look good in a team with UEFA Cup aspirations.

2.) That said, he's no anti-footballer like, say, Robert Huth (sorry, Robbie...) either.

3.) He had an awful first season at Stuttgart.
3a.) Due to the fact he had problems adapting to the Bundesliga and
3b.) that Trap kept rotating the team so much, most of them (well, everyone apart from Hild€, actually) ended up looking like shadows of their former selves.

4.) Hitzl then went on to play a pretty vital part in the Championship-winning season, alongside Pavel Pardo. He brought stability to an otherwise pretty inexperienced midfield (Khedira, Hilbert).

5.) Something that was only noticed, as per usual with fairly quiet players (Baumann, Soldo and Pardo spring to mind as examples), when he was out with injury during the first half of the season.

6.) It's no coincidence Stuttgart won the first game that he was back (1-0 against Leverkusen, Beck scored). I watched the game on TV and they looked a lot different compared to the week before.

7.) He's currently going through a slump in form--the match against Hanover aside (the whole team was Cr@p and produced nothing except misplaced passes), he has been fairly anonymous (at least for Stuttgart).

8.) That said, he's still good for the odd long range effort that poses at least some danger.

So--stop bashing him and for God's sake, stop hyping him. As I tried to say, he is an important player for Stuttgart--when he is on form and does merit his place in the national squad. However, if Schweini, Frings et al are fit or have recovered from whatever mental block is hindering them, he doesn't stand a chance. Well, except if Löw is desperate for a leftback again and has once again forgotten about Hitzl's awful games in that position (he looked so uncomfortable it was painful to watch).

Oh, and I think it's pretty evident that he's a lovely and intelligent person off the pitch. But that's just the icing on the cake.

Here's to The Hammer.

As I keep saying - the German ladies on this board, namely yourself and Ball, are Yin to Otto's Yan.
Think reasoning personified Versus sheer, unadulterated (but always entertaining) lunacy

Thus, congrats on another excellently structured and reasoned contribution.

So Carrick is is then

anglophileHedgehog wrote: for God's sake, stop hyping him.

my sentiments exactly

it's getting ridiculous



@kipferl

all I said was Hitz >>> Carrick

if you know anything about Carrick, you'll know that being better than him does not make you good

26-Otto-19 wrote:

anglophileHedgehog wrote: for God's sake, stop hyping him.

my sentiments exactly

it's getting ridiculous



@kipferl

all I said was Hitz >>> Carrick

if you know anything about Carrick, you'll know that being better than him does not make you good

Spatzi, is this your idea of making up for your comment re:Stuttgart, hunh?

Stuttgart are the BEST

I have always said so

by the way; it seems as if Daimler are going to pay big bucks to name the new stadium

do you have the capacity by any chance

26-Otto-19 wrote:

if you know anything about Carrick, you'll know that being better than him does not make you good

Being better than him would make you Pirlo