Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

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Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Parks lives Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:34 am

Man United obviously struggled in midfield last season and Liverpool struggled up front as well.

Which pairing will make the bigger impact and improvement for there side.

(if the Kuyt and Hargreaves deals go through Very Happy

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Isar Truppe Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:35 am

Hargreaves hasn't signed yet.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Parks lives Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:37 am

Hypothetical then. Razz

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Tweesus Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:37 am

Well Man Utd have had some okish midfielders before in O'Shea, Scholes and Fletcher - Hargreaves and Carick are a big improvement though.

Last season no Liverpool striker scored over 8 goals in the league. IMO both Kuijt and Bellamy will get around 15 each this season - so IMO this is the bigger improvement

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by L r d Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:37 am

Kuyt and Bellamy's impact will be more visible IMHO, though if they underperform, their lack of impact will be just as visible.

I'm unsure on what Carrick's impact will be if Ferguson doesn't want to change your style of play. I think his best moments for you will come in Europe.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:37 am

isar he did say IF

i think the man utd would make a bigger impact if hargreaves signs as i´m unconvinced by bellamy at the highest level and imho kuyt will take longer to settle than hargreaves

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Keano Is God Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:37 am

if heargreaves sign it should be great for man u as we really suffered from having to play a left winger and a defender in midfield. Liverpool did strugle to find a consistent scorer but because of their great defensif record they didnt suffer as much as us

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Parks lives Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:38 am

Obispo wrote:Kuyt and Bellamy's impact will be more visible IMHO, though if they underperform, their lack of impact will be just as visible.

I'm unsure on what Carrick's impact will be if Ferguson doesn't want to change your style of play. I think his best moments for you will come in Europe.

Veron II?

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by L r d Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:39 am

Sir Parks Lives wrote:

Obispo wrote:Kuyt and Bellamy's impact will be more visible IMHO, though if they underperform, their lack of impact will be just as visible.

I'm unsure on what Carrick's impact will be if Ferguson doesn't want to change your style of play. I think his best moments for you will come in Europe.

Veron II?

Ish. He'll be better domestically than Veron, but not as good in Europe, IMHO (though obviously a big improvement on your current midfield in Europe).

I really think Veron's "lack of impact" domestically is greatly exaggerated. He was rarely poor like some make out, just rarely hit the heights he did at Lazio.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by COTR Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:39 am

very hard to say without waiting to see how the players perform... liverpool's strikers were infuriating last year and missed practically everything while united's midfield was non existant.. hargreaves is totally perfect for united so he'll be a massive success if signed (i don't think ull get him BTW)... carrick im not totally convinced about but time will tell... don't know enough about kuyt to comment on him but bellamy will be excellent if he stays fit

however i do think kuyt and bellamy complete liverpool's squad whereas carrick and hargreaves do not complete united's squad and i still wouldnt rate the carrick, hargreaves, scholes midfield as highly as id rate liverpool or chelsea's midfield..

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:41 am

Isar Truppe wrote:Hargreaves hasn't signed yet.

Exactly. And Hoeness said that he won't sell him yesterday, even though I can see him sell Hargreaves for a good sum of cash, 25-30 million Euros.

Another factor is that influential players like Kahn have warned the Bayern management not to sell Hargreaves, because losing him after losing Ballack and Ze Roberto would mean too much loss of substance that they might not be able to compensate, even with new players as replacements.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Isar Truppe Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:43 am

I don't deal in "ifs" or "maybes".

Hoeness said again yesterday on DSF that there is no chance we will be selling him.

Kahn also came out yesterday and said that we cannot lose 3 of Europes best midfielders with no one coming in.

I would be shocked if he does go.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Isar Truppe Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:44 am

That's what i said, Blut Wink

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by L r d Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:47 am

Hargreaves mind is set on leaving. once someone mind is like that, it may be hard for him to play for bayern again. he wont forgive bayern for ruining his dream move.
Hargreaves carrick much better for me. We needed two decent central midfielders, maybe we got more than that.
Liverpool imo needed a worldclass striker, i think they got two decent strikers not more.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Isar Truppe Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:50 am

Ashley Cole, Cristiano Ronaldo, Steven Gerrard, Thierry Henry....just to name some of the players who's heart was set on moving, and where are they now?

Man Utd have tried before with our players like Lizarazu, Sagnol and Kahn.

Don't believe the hype.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Tweesus Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:54 am

Henry's heart wasn't set on leaving, neither was Gerrard or Ronaldo.

Cole WILL leave

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by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:56 am

Tweedledum wrote:Henry's heart wasn't set on leaving, neither was Gerrard they both fancied the money or Ronaldo (he´d have gone given a chance).

Cole WILL leave almost certainly left out of squad for 2morrow

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Parks lives Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:57 am

Obispo wrote:

Sir Parks Lives wrote:

Obispo wrote:Kuyt and Bellamy's impact will be more visible IMHO, though if they underperform, their lack of impact will be just as visible.

I'm unsure on what Carrick's impact will be if Ferguson doesn't want to change your style of play. I think his best moments for you will come in Europe.

Veron II?

Ish. He'll be better domestically than Veron, but not as good in Europe, IMHO (though obviously a big improvement on your current midfield in Europe).

I really think Veron's "lack of impact" domestically is greatly exaggerated. He was rarely poor like some make out, just rarely hit the heights he did at Lazio.

Agree with all of that. He'll certainly benifit us in Europe.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Tweesus Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:58 am

Carrick IMO will be very useful in Europe, I dobut he'll make much of a diffeence in the EPL though.

Hargreaves would make a huge difference in the EPL. - Fast becoming one of the best DMs on the planet (now there's a bit of hype Wink

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Isar Truppe Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:01 am

Gerrard actually handed in a transfer request....pretty conclusive to me. Henry was one game away from leaving. Had Barcelona not won that final he would be there now.

C.Ronaldo wants out of Old Trafford. His actions in the world cup alone were evidence of that. He will leave after this season because of the abuse he will get and with Madrid knocking on his door.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:02 am

Tweedledum wrote:
Hargreaves would make a huge difference in the EPL. - Fast becoming one of the best DMs on the planet (now there's a bit of hype )

Wonder if you will still call him that if he stays at Bayern, in the 'shitty' Bundesliga. The club (Hargreaves = product of the Bayern youth) and the league that made him the player he is today.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:02 am

Isar Truppe wrote:Henry was one game away from leaving. Had Barcelona not won that final he would be there now.

pure speculation

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by L r d Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:04 am

Isar Truppe wrote:Gerrard actually handed in a transfer request....pretty conclusive to me. Henry was one game away from leaving. Had Barcelona not won that final he would be there now.

C.Ronaldo wants out of Old Trafford. His actions in the world cup alone were evidence of that. He will leave after this season because of the abuse he will get and with Madrid knocking on his door.

Ronaldo made 1 public saying he wants out because it would be impossible to return, 2 days later he said if he returned it would be fine.
henry never said he was going.
gerrard duno what happenend there.
Hargreaves has made it very clear he wants to move much more than any of these.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Tweesus Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:04 am

Gerrard, Cole and Ronaldo are all clearly brainless though.

Henry DECIDED he wanted to stay - I don't see how this can be misinterpreted - its not like he handed in a transfer request and we denied him it...

Hargreaves is an intelligent man - if he wants to leave he'll go about it intelligently

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by COTR Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:04 am

Isar Truppe wrote:Gerrard actually handed in a transfer request....pretty conclusive to me. Henry was one game away from leaving. Had Barcelona not won that final he would be there now.

C.Ronaldo wants out of Old Trafford. His actions in the world cup alone were evidence of that. He will leave after this season because of the abuse he will get and with Madrid knocking on his door.

judging by gerrard's comments he never wanted to leave... don't know how reliable they are though...

ronaldo is desperate to leave man u and i do sort of agree with you on the henry final point and especially the circumstances surrounding it...

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Parks lives Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:06 am

Gerrard handed in a transfer request FFS, of course now he's going to say he never wanted to leave.

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Re: Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

by Tweesus Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:07 am

blutgraetsche wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:
Hargreaves would make a huge difference in the EPL. - Fast becoming one of the best DMs on the planet (now there's a bit of hype )

Wonder if you will still call him that if he stays at Bayern, in the 'shitty' Bundesliga. The club (Hargreaves = product of the Bayern youth) and the league that made him the player he is today.

There are a lot of good players in germany - I'v always said that.

Yesterday I was just being a bit of a WUM to liven up the debate Smile

I regard Kahn, Lucio, Sagnol, Demishellis, Metzelder, Schweini, VDV, Boula, Diego, Klose, Borowski, hargreaves, Ze Roberto, Meija......all as top clas players - none of them are IMO 'World Class' though