which league is stronger?

Senor Woody wrote:

Yef wrote:Hasselbaink wasnt even good enough for the second Dutch division!! Did okay in the EPL!

I raise you Mateja Kezman. Eredivisie dynamite. EPL flop.

This game is fun - could go on and on. Its got legs yes it has

Michael Ball!!! Worst defender ever!! A hit at super City!

Yef wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Yef wrote:Hasselbaink wasnt even good enough for the second Dutch division!! Did okay in the EPL!

I raise you Mateja Kezman. Eredivisie dynamite. EPL flop.

This game is fun - could go on and on. Its got legs yes it has

Michael Ball!!! Worst defender ever!! A hit at super City!

Wilfred Bouma - worst defender ever. A hit in Holland. Not so at Villa

Michael Ball was NEVER a hit at City. The only league he's looked decent in is the SPL.

Senor Woody wrote:

Yef wrote:Hasselbaink wasnt even good enough for the second Dutch division!! Did okay in the EPL!

I raise you Mateja Kezman. Eredivisie dynamite. EPL flop.

This game is fun - could go on and on. Its got legs yes it has

la liga flop too, aaaaggggghhhhhhh!!!!!

Yef wrote:Hasselbaink wasnt even good enough for the second Dutch division!! Did okay in the EPL!

Hehe, there won't be a more extreme example than him : he couldn't get a professional cotract *anywhere* in Holland

Jerrel Hasselbaink's story is one you just couldn't make up it's a regular Sjakie en zijn wondersloffen (Rob & the Rovers ?) :

He couldn't cut it in the Dutch Championship and returned to the amateurs in 1993/1994. He was 21-22 at that time.

Somehow Portuguese side Campomaiorense picked him up for the 1995/1996 campaign : he did reasonably well 12 goals in 32 matches, enough to be noticed by a bigger club.

He was playing Boavista the next year : he helped them win the cup and scored 20 goals in 29 league games.

Once again a bigger club came knocking : Leeds United. While at Leeds he scores 34 in 69 league appearences, becoming (joined) topscorer in the EPL in his second season at Leeds.

After failing contract negotiations he is then sold to Atletico Madrid for 12 million pounds making him the most expensive Dutch player at the time !

He nearly became topscorer in Spain too, scoring 24 in 34 matches. Atletico still maneged to get relegated though....so it's time for yet another new club : Chelsea.

23 goals in 35 league matches in his first season for Chelsea makes him top scorer in the EPL once again, this time not joined by anyone. Chelsea made the FA-cup final that year but without the injured Hasselbaink they lost it.

From there on it's slowly going downhill for Jerrel, but at age 35 he might still win a prize : the FA-cup with Cardiff city

The striker that couldn't get a contract in Holland but who became two time top scorer in the EPL managed to get 9 goals for Holland and 23 caps.

He is one of two players who made Oranje without ever having played de Eredivisie.

Not bad considering he had to compete with Ruud van Nistelrooy, Patrick Kluivert, Roy Makaay, Pierre van Hooijdonk and even Dennis Bergkamp in the beginning.

*incredible* tale


I'll be cheering for Cardiff for sure

Khalid Boulahrouz. Dutch International defender from his time in Holland. Could just about scrape our local pub side after his appearances in England.

I love this game!

S4P wrote:Only one way to settle this!

2. Ajax - Werder Bremen - Carlisle

Now lets don't be silly.

Axeslammer wrote:I'll be cheering for Cardiff for sure

good man, but i'm almost certain that tw@t fowler will come off the bench to score the winner, and despite doing eff all for us all season will be a legend in S Wales for ever

Senor Woody wrote:Khalid Boulahrouz. Dutch International defender from his time in Holland. Could just about scrape our local pub side after his appearances in England.

I love this game!

Boulahrouz wasn't an international when he played in the Dutch league, he only played for lowly ranked RKC and wasn't considered anything special in Holland...

Only when he went to HSV did he get elected for Oranje : Van Basten believing the international hype.

Boulahrouz was an incredible hit in Der Bundesliga though...

Hyypia was just average for Willem II

Nice story Axes

I can't work out how he didn't make it in Holland though, its not as though he lacked technique and was merely a hit and run pace merchant.

Axeslammer wrote:
Boulahrouz wasn't an international when he played in the Dutch league, he only played for lowly ranked RKC and wasn't considered anything special in Holland...

Liar! He played in a friendly against us when still at RKC

Tweedle wrote:Nice story Axes

I can't work out how he didn't make it in Holland though, its not as though he lacked technique and was merely a hit and run pace merchant.

Nobody knows what happened, he probably was a late-bloomer (does that word even exist in English ?).

For a Dutch player he poor technique (altough the technique he had was perfected and extremely efficient), Babel reminds me a lot him.

I also found out why he is called Jimmy (you all know him as Jimmy, the Dutch know him as Jerrel) : the president of his first Portuguese club didn't want anyone to know that the new Dutch striker came from the amateurs, so he (nick)named him Jimmy => if anyone went looking for his history they wouldn't find him !!!

This is just so brilliant, stuff of legends

Tweedle wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:
Boulahrouz wasn't an international when he played in the Dutch league, he only played for lowly ranked RKC and wasn't considered anything special in Holland...

Liar! He played in a friendly against us when still at RKC

He was already bought by HSV at that time though !

I know this for sure because I have a special thing with Boulah.

I adviced a friend of mine to play (the completely unknown) Boulah in his fantasy football team : Martin Jol was managing RKC at the time (RKC are now in the Championship btw) and would frequently use defender Boulah as a crowbar striker...makes for a lot of FF-points for a very cheap player.

Axeslammer wrote:Hyypia was just average for Willem II

Jaap Stam - awesome at Heerenveen, and, er, Cr@p at United.

Hold on......

not a good example.

Ruud Van Nistel... nah, no good either.

A good one for the Bundesliga - Daniel Van Buyten. Average at City, now integral to Bayern's defence.

What about Bryan Roy - average at Forest, excelled at Hertha Berlin

Kanu, Overmars, Wijnhard, Helder, Tomasson, Allback, Edman, Van Bronckhorst, Van Hooijdonck, Bogarde, Reiziger, Bergkamp, Van der Sar, Boogers (), Mido, Litmanen, Park, Lee, Ooijer, Melchiot, Samaras, Robben, Van Persie, Alex, Babel, Kuyt, Pienaar, Van der Meyde, Van der Gouw, Boateng, Emerton, Vogel, Henrik Larsson, Trabelsi, Alves, Bouaouzan, De Ridder, Rigters, Nevland (), Stefanovic


There's something for everybody in there (and I'm sure I could add a whole lot more), but one thing is for sure : we must have a very poor league if so many of our players make it to the EPL

I think you'll find that more league one players have made it to the EPL than Dutchies over the years Axes.

League One>>>>Eredivisie

Tweedle wrote:I think you'll find that more league one players have made it to the EPL than Dutchies over the years Axes.

League One>>>>Eredivisie

Dude, show some consideration !

We also have to supply Der Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A....

It's not like League one also supplies them now is it ?

Eredivisie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> League One

What great players ever came out of the Coca cola league??

And I mean talented players...not GPD Englanders.

coca cola league plenty but most have come from the championship i'd have thought, BUT i doubt since the inception of the PL that there have been too many League 1 players unless they've been loaned out by a PL club and then gone back.

What..this is the third league we are talking about?

Ridiculous, lets face it is only the top 4 teams of the EPL who are good, the other teams outside of it are not stronger then the top of the Dutch league.

Senor Woody wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:Hyypia was just average for Willem II

Jaap Stam - awesome at Heerenveen, and, er, Cr@p at United.

Hold on......

not a good example.

Ruud Van Nistel... nah, no good either.

A good one for the Bundesliga - Daniel Van Buyten. Average at City, now integral to Bayern's defence.

What about Bryan Roy - average at Forest, excelled at Hertha Berlin

Is he integral though? I thought they were looking to sell him.

Yef wrote:What..this is the third league we are talking about?

yep, ridiculous i know

I've been wrecking my brain but finally remembered : Kenneth Monkou !

Wasn't he a legend for whatever team he played for in England ?

While on that subject : Wigan's best player of all time....Arjan de Zeeuw

(de Zeeuw, like Hasselabaink never played in the Eredivisie either, wasn't deemed good enough )

Who would you rank as the top 10 players/talents in the Eredivisie?

Afellay?
Guzman?
Zeeuw?
Farfan?
Suarez?
Huntelaar?

Yef wrote:What..this is the third league we are talking about?

Ridiculous, lets face it is only the top 4 teams of the EPL who are good, the other teams outside of it are not stronger then the top of the Dutch league.

11th placed Spurs (us) took Penis V to penalties. We should have won the game too says I.

that aside I would agree with you

Calidad wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

A good one for the Bundesliga - Daniel Van Buyten. Average at City, now integral to Bayern's defence.

Is he integral though? I thought they were looking to sell him.

He's not been impressive at Bayern, but slowly gelling into the team I think.

Van Buyten was awesome at HSV when partnering Boulahrouz. Both have suffered from the breakup...

Axeslammer wrote:Kanu, Overmars, Wijnhard, Helder, Tomasson, Allback, Edman, Van Bronckhorst, Van Hooijdonck, Bogarde, Reiziger, Bergkamp, Van der Sar, Boogers (), Mido, Litmanen, Park, Lee, Ooijer, Melchiot, Samaras, Robben, Van Persie, Alex, Babel, Kuyt, Pienaar, Van der Meyde, Van der Gouw, Boateng, Emerton, Vogel, Henrik Larsson, Trabelsi, Alves, Bouaouzan, De Ridder, Rigters, Nevland (), Stefanovic


There's something for everybody in there (and I'm sure I could add a whole lot more), but one thing is for sure : we must have a very poor league if so many of our players make it to the EPL

this game was going so well til you had to ruin it with FACTS!

killjoy

Senor Woody wrote:

Yef wrote:What..this is the third league we are talking about?

Ridiculous, lets face it is only the top 4 teams of the EPL who are good, the other teams outside of it are not stronger then the top of the Dutch league.

11th placed Spurs (us) took Penis V to penalties. We should have won the game too says I.

that aside I would agree with you

Yeah but deep down we all know Spurs should be 5th..and next year they prolly will

Calidad wrote:Who would you rank as the top 10 players/talents in the Eredivisie?

Afellay?
Guzman?
Zeeuw?
Farfan?
Suarez?
Huntelaar?

Best players are usually also the best talents here

I would say:

Sulejmani
Affalay
De Guzman
Bruins
Suarez
El Ahmadi
Sahin
Aisatti
Berg
Engelaar