Football manager / summer transfer thread :D

Good to see you are back in child mode again frank

Carra plays consistently well for 3 years .... We call him a great player

Carra then has a season where clear signs of ageing are present and his lack of pace catches up with him ....... We want the younger players to take over



This is how most football teams evolve frank although I am probably wasting my time on you

@COTR... If you guys decide to buy VdV.... And, VdV thinks Liverpool is in Spain so he takes Iberia airlines to Liverpool....

Please tell Mr Benitez not to put him on the right side, will you? You are going to kill him that way...

Hlebadinho wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

COTR wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks lives wrote:So thats 4 Liverpool fans (CT, Ade, Luis & CotR) who think Carragher will be benched next season. I really can't see it to be honest.

funny thing is 12 months ago he was WC best thing ever, etc. NOW they want him benched.

The even funnier thing is frank he has been terrible this season which may have something to do with it

Rafa loves agger and rightly so because he is class and skrtel outperformed carra this season.

Obviously carra will play plenty of games but why is this even an issue to you?

because you poo-l fans are always over-hyping your players, can't believe saints has more issues with the goons than the mickey mousers.

But if Carragher's poor then why shouldn't he be benched? Do you believe players should be untouchable?

Surely there should be a correlation between a player's performance and whetehr they play or not, or am i just been silly?

Common sense, is not a principal Frank lends himself to very well when talking about Liverpool.

I don't think there has been any dispute Carragher has been fantasic for us in previous seasons, he didn't have a great season last year - and as a result should quite rightly have to fight to keep his place.

This really will never happen but:

IN:
Richard Wright - 500k
Phil Ifil - 500k
Jordan Stewart - free
Peter Halmosi - 2 million
Clinton Morrison - free

3 million

OUT:
Gzegorz Rasiak - 2m
Rudi Skacel - 1.5
Kelvin Davis - 500k
John Viafara - 1.5
BWP - 500k
Darren Powell - free
Mario Licka - free
Simon Gillett - free
Nathan Dyer - free
Jason Euell - free
Inigo Idiakez - free
Dave McGoldrick - free
Alex Ostlund - free
Jermaine Wright - free

6 million + a $h!t load off the wage bill

Wright

Ifil - Davies - Thomas - Stewart

Lallana - Safri - Surman - Halmosi

Morrison - John

Subs: Bialkowski, Mills, Hatch, Lancashire, Baseya, White, Paterson, James, Dutton-Black, Saganowski

That gives us a first XI that could actually win promotion as well as a quick 3 million and lot more money in the bank thanks to the $h!t load of cash we're losing on wages at the moment.

You're right, no club on earth would pay 1.5 million for Viafara.

Still, I like your thinking.

you guys confident with Pearson long term? ex-Shrewsbury star, him. Obviously got a lot of experience around in the game, but not much of being the actual manager. be interesting to see how he does..

Fidel wrote:You're right, no club on earth would pay 1.5 million for Viafara.

Still, I like your thinking.

I think Derby were interested in him at the start of last season and the rumoured figure then was 2 million. People saw his good performances on the telly and have seen his fierce tackling but unfortunately, television highlights don't tend to highlight anonymity, which is the reason that Gerrard is so constantly overrated. Still, maybe a club hasn't noticed this and possibly a relegated team will be willing to pay over the odds for him. I put 1.5 more out of hope than expectation though.

Rasiak as well might be tough to get 2 million for. But with his reputation as a good goalscorer in this league we might con a fairly rich club in this league like Norwich, QPR or Ipswich to splash a bit more than he's worth on him.

debaser wrote:you guys confident with Pearson long term? ex-Shrewsbury star, him. Obviously got a lot of experience around in the game, but not much of being the actual manager. be interesting to see how he does..

The fans would all love to keep Pearson on for the long term or at the very least give him a decent chance. Lowe and the board may well have other ideas however and want to install their own man, and there are strong rumours around that Peter Taylor and Sam Allardyce have been touted to take over at the helm.

That's a quality sig Saints .

Rasiak-9 wrote:

Fidel wrote:You're right, no club on earth would pay 1.5 million for Viafara.

Still, I like your thinking.

I think Derby were interested in him at the start of last season and the rumoured figure then was 2 million. People saw his good performances on the telly and have seen his fierce tackling but unfortunately, television highlights don't tend to highlight anonymity, which is the reason that Gerrard is so constantly overrated. Still, maybe a club hasn't noticed this and possibly a relegated team will be willing to pay over the odds for him. I put 1.5 more out of hope than expectation though.

I suppose a desperate team in need of a 'safe' midfielder might go for him, but he's left me massively unimpressed almost every game I've seen of his. He just seems to offer nothing positive, breaks up opposition play well but seems clueless after that.

Rasiak as well might be tough to get 2 million for. But with his reputation as a good goalscorer in this league we might con a fairly rich club in this league like Norwich, QPR or Ipswich to splash a bit more than he's worth on him.

Well, strikers always attract bigger fees so we've got to look at him as a reasonable asset worth a few quid. Particularly to a club like QPR who, if the press is to be believed, will be buying any half decent player on the market this summer.

Fidel wrote:

Rasiak-9 wrote:

Fidel wrote:You're right, no club on earth would pay 1.5 million for Viafara.

Still, I like your thinking.

I think Derby were interested in him at the start of last season and the rumoured figure then was 2 million. People saw his good performances on the telly and have seen his fierce tackling but unfortunately, television highlights don't tend to highlight anonymity, which is the reason that Gerrard is so constantly overrated. Still, maybe a club hasn't noticed this and possibly a relegated team will be willing to pay over the odds for him. I put 1.5 more out of hope than expectation though.

I suppose a desperate team in need of a 'safe' midfielder might go for him, but he's left me massively unimpressed almost every game I've seen of his. He just seems to offer nothing positive, breaks up opposition play well but seems clueless after that.

Absolutely.

Viafara is the classic case of a player who's passion and commitment paper over the many cracks in his actual footballing ability, a criticism that could also be levelled at several others such as Jermaine Wright and Alex Ostlund. On his day Viafara is a superb midfielder, i remember being at QPR away where he absolutely ran riot. Trouble is he has "his day" about twice a season.

I do like the guy and he'll certainly get absolutely no criticism of his work rate, effort or character from me, but when a central midfielder so often fails to play a simple 10 yard pass or control one then you do wonder if hes worth keeping if a club bids much more than a million for him.

All I know is that West Hams new away kit is so ugly, it almost caused me to throw up on my keyboard.

robert wrote:

Ade Alves wrote:For Liverpool:

------------------------Reina------------------------
-Arbeloa-----Agger----------Skrtel-----Dossena-
----------------Masch--------Alonso-------------
-----VDV/Silva------Gerrard--------Babel---------
-----------------------Torres------------------------

Subs: Kuyt, Nemeth, Lucas, Itandje, Carragher, Hypia, Insua, Aurelio, Degen and Ramsey

In:
Van Der Vaart or Silva>>>Bentley - £15 million
Dossena - £7 million (Some papers say 6, others 8M so I'll pick middle)
Degen - Free
Ramsey - £5 million
Diego Milito - £8 million (Have no idea about his situation contract wise and am assuming he wants to leave)

Total: £35 million

Out:
Voronin - £2 million
Pennant - £5 million
Crouch - £8.75 million
Finnan - £2 million
Kewell - Free
Riise - £5 million
Carson - £6 million
Total: £28.75 million

(If Alonso were to be sold, like to think we would get at least £14 million eespically if Real are interested. Zapatar would be a cheap but great signing, while I like Barry his price would be far more ridiculous.)

Diego Milito? He wouldn't hack it in the pl.

Torres

We need a back up striker who can finish Robert and while he ain't the quickest and he is in his late 90s so there is less chance of development. He can still be a good available, reasonably decent priced striker who would be a good back up to Torres if we do stick with the current formation/Crouch leaves.

As for Carra, as already said was below his usual high standards last season. Some basic errors have crept into his game namely getting on the wrong side of the opposition player and thus his defenging has become all a bit desperate and sloppy.
I believe Rafa will play Skrtel and Carra will start next season as the main pairing but Agger will have something to say about that as he is a class act defender.

@ Debaser, that is fair point about a possible Skrtel - Agger partnership not working out but the two things to give me hope is that as you pointed, both are young and will learn to develop a good understanding. Also they compliment each other very well in regards to playing style. They are also good mates of the pitch as well so that goes some way in helping build a good bond and understanding between the two

@ Frank(sigh), we as Liverpool fans have seen Carra develop over his many years at the club and since Rafa has come to the club, he has been more than outstanding. My and many people's player of Rafa's tenure. You might want to believe he is overrated by us but Liverpool fans will say he is clearly underrated excl last season which we was below par. Generally Liverpool players are underrated here, I do not think anyone will disagree. But there is always one

Di Caniooooo! wrote:All I know is that West Hams new away kit is so ugly, it almost caused me to throw up on my keyboard.

Got a pic ?

Sgoater1 wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:All I know is that West Hams new away kit is so ugly, it almost caused me to throw up on my keyboard.

Got a pic ?

It is completely sky blue, they look like bluebirds.

Sgoater1 wrote:

debaser wrote:Villa, kinda going off rumours/hopes...

Out:
Mellberg: Free
Moore: £3.5m
Sorensen: Free
Berger: Free
Maloney: £2m
Taylor: £500k

In:
Hart : £6m
Jaaskelainen: Free
Bentley: £12m
Chimbonda: £4m
Sidwell: £5m
A few other players (couple of defenders and a striker)

Hart £6m I am putting Ronnie and Deco in my team and Eto'o upfront.

I'm prepared to set aside my usual aversion to believing anything the tabloids spew, to take this one from the Daily Star as gospel truth. I was only £2m out

Aston Villa are launching an £8m bid to land England’s rising goalkeeping star Joe Hart.

Villa boss Martin O’Neill is ready to go head to head with Tottenham to try and prise the 21-year-old away from Manchester City.

Spurs boss Juande Ramos is ready to offer keeper Paul Robinson plus £4m cash to land the City pay rebel.

However, O’Neill is armed with straight cash and desperately wants to sort out his No.1 position.

Hart fits the bill for the Villa chief – he’s young, English and widely rated as the country’s best prospect.

All the signs are that he could be available given the turmoil at City and the fact that he’s holding out on a derisory new contract offer.

Hart has been offered a new £10,000-a-week double-your-money deal, but that doesn’t match his meteoric rise through the ranks.

And although he has two years left on his current deal, he’s been told by advisors that the new offer doesn’t come close to his current worth.

He signed a £5,000-a-week contract when he signed from Shrewsbury in a move that initially cost City just £600,000.

Hart’s elevation to the England team under new boss Fabio Capello has added £500,000 on top of that, but he still looks more and more of a bargain with each passing day.

Hart feels insulted by City’s new offer, especially given that team-mate Micah Richards put pen to paper on a deal worth £50,000 a week just two months ago.

Hart joined the club as third choice, but quickly shot to the No.1 spot in manager Sven Goran Eriksson’s eyes, leaping ahead of Swedish international Andreas Isaksson and Kasper Schmeichel.

Eriksson would want to keep hold of Hart at all costs, but he might not be around much longer to have any say. His future at Eastlands looks increasingly precarious and that could spark a dramatic auction for Hart, with Villa and Spurs ready to slug it out.

A new No.1 is a priority for O’Neill after having Liverpool’s Scott Carson on loan last season.

Kop boss Rafa Benitez is insisting on holding out for the £10m package outlined to Villa before Carson went on loan, which is proving prohibitive.

O’Neill would prefer to get the situation sorted out permanently and would love to get his hands on Hart.

If T*ttenham want Hart...they'll get him. They're throwing money all over the place, in every transfer window. They aren't fucking around this time though.

Deano-Forza Italia wrote:If T*ttenham want Hart...they'll get him. They're throwing money all over the place, in every transfer window. They aren't fucking around this time though.

We are always cautious when sorting contracts out, Hart will get a decent deal and stay. I really really dont think we will sell.

Now we have Hughes id like to see the following, i know it wont hppen but what the heck....

Ronnie £20m
Jo £20m
Bentley £12m
Samba £3m
Bridge £6m
Poulson £7m
Young keeper for sub

------------------------------------Hart----------------------------------

Corluka----------------Richards----------Dunne----------------Bridge

Bentley----------------Johnson----------Poulsen---------------Petrov

----------------------------Ronnie----------------------------------------

------------------------------------Jo-------------------------------------

Subs:

Samba
Hamann
Elano
Bojinov
Keeper
Castillo
Garrido

Sgoater1 wrote:Kimbo - I cant see anyone paying £4m for Ameobi.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/nufc/Newcastle-accept-4m-bid-for.4164738.jp

Apparently Gera's signed for Fulham. Good move on a free, Brom will be disappointed to see him go, I'd have thought.

--------------------------Reina-------------------------
---Arbeloa----Carragher----Agger------Dossena---
----------------------Mascherano---------------------
------------Gerrard----------------Barry-------------
----Kuyt----------------Torres----------------New?-


Not too shabby

Crouching Tiger wrote:
--------------------------Reina-------------------------
---Arbeloa----Carragher----Agger------Dossena---
----------------------Mascherano---------------------
------------Gerrard----------------Barry-------------
----Kuyt----------------Torres----------------New?-


Not too shabby

So... replace Riise with Dossena, Alonso with Barry and drop Babel, and you'd be happy?

That's no steps forward from last season's team for me.

If we get get Barry then we should sell Alonso and use the money for a wide player,

--------------------------Reina-------------------------
---Arbeloa----Carragher----Agger------Aurelio---
----------------------Mascherano---------------------
------------Gerrard----------------Barry-------------
----Babel----------------Torres----------------New?-

--------------------------Reina-------------------------
---Arbeloa----Carragher----Agger------Dossena---
----------------------Mascherano---------------------
------------Gerrard----------------Barry-------------
----Babel----------------Torres----------------New?-

Is the way it should be. Van der Vaart would so be perfect in an ideal world.

I honestly think we should just go all out for Villa, I really truly do, who cares about the rest of the pitch when you have pure class up front.

Dossena - 7 mil
Barry - 15 mil
Villa - 25 mil

I don't know how we'd get the money but there must be some way, with those changes I think we'd be a lot closer to where we need to be

Also can't believe you guys would rather have Carra over Skrtel. I love Carra but clearly Skrtel's the way to go when Agger returns to partner him.

Agger is the 'new' player who will have most influence on the team anyway

I would be relatively happy going into next season with the squad as it is now (assuming barry and dossena are done deals)

There is little point wasting money on riera, milner or any of the other second rate wingers we are linked with. Pennant and yossi take up those squad roles well enough

So I am happy with the team, but will obviously be even more delighted if we can get a worthwhile winger in

COTR wrote:Agger is the 'new' player who will have most influence on the team anyway

I would be relatively happy going into next season with the squad as it is now (assuming barry and dossena are done deals)

There is little point wasting money on riera, milner or any of the other second rate wingers we are linked with. Pennant and yossi take up those squad roles well enough

So I am happy with the team, but will obviously be even more delighted if we can get a worthwhile winger in

How can you say you'd be happy, who's scoring the goals besides Torres and Gerrard?

Luis wrote:

COTR wrote:Agger is the 'new' player who will have most influence on the team anyway

I would be relatively happy going into next season with the squad as it is now (assuming barry and dossena are done deals)

There is little point wasting money on riera, milner or any of the other second rate wingers we are linked with. Pennant and yossi take up those squad roles well enough

So I am happy with the team, but will obviously be even more delighted if we can get a worthwhile winger in

How can you say you'd be happy, who's scoring the goals besides Torres and Gerrard?

Because I think we played good football last year luis

I thought our weakness was in defence caused by a lack of cover and injuries and as a result hyppia playing far more games than he should have.

Agger, carra and skrtel is a huge improvement over hyypia, carra and hobbs / arbeloa which is what we had until skrtel was signed. If we get back to being the solid team we once were (ie no stupid pens, dodgy set piece goals) then that instantly means we get more 1-0 wins next season

Add to that the creativity agger brings to the team, the consistency barry will bring over alonso, babel being a year on in his development and the squad will be quite a bit superior to how it was last season.

I'm confident as it is with the team so a playmaker / worldclass winger to further strengthen the first team and help out torres and gerrard may well be required and of course would be great, but if we can't afford the right player then I am happy as it is. Also if crouch is sold then that's another ten million to add to the kitty for a new striker

Luis wrote:Also can't believe you guys would rather have Carra over Skrtel. I love Carra but clearly Skrtel's the way to go when Agger returns to partner him.

Too be honest, I don't mind which 2 CB's he picks from Agger, Skrtel and Carra. Carra had his first bad patch in ages last season but he has the experience and qualities to still lead at the back. Skrtel and Agger will eventually become 1st choice be it this season, next season or whenever. Both are 24 years old and have time on their side to develop an understanding. Plus if you really look at it, imagine if our back line was.....

Reina
Arbeloa
Skrtel
Agger
Dossena

It's a rather a young back line. Skrtel could become our leader at the back but not yet and I would worry intially over who will take command to the degree Carra would.

I think we all agree about Agger starting. It's hard to choose between the other two but like I said I ain't fussed who starts.