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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:05 pm

    Is that the hactual Craig David?! And there was thinking it was a new nickname for Joe Cole Embarassed scratch

    Can't be bothered to argue on Pearce, don't know enough but I suspect the "salt of the earth" cliché may be a bit superficial. Certainly the likes of Casiraghi had their reasons for disliking him.

    You are taking the piss with that last sentence I trust Bernd Biggrin

    (Nearly met Teddy recently – mate of mine plays professional poker so been to watch him occasionally, rubbing shoulders with such types...)
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:07 pm

    I is well confused now, is it that Bo Selecta chap who was playing for England then? isn't he Dutch?
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    Post by christmasborocooper Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:08 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:I is well confused now, is it that Bo Selecta chap who was playing for England then? isn't he Dutch?

    No it was the real Craig David. THE Craig David.

    It was a team mixed of "celebs" and legends.


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    Post by Super Progress Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:15 pm

    TWERP
    I agree with most of what you say and around 2002 England played better even though as i remember quality wise they didnt seem as strong.
    2004 wasnt that impressive to me because the team still seemed to be dependent on the indviduel players such as Rooney showed. SGE pulled England up when they were on a low but he couldnt continue their progress and it instead they regressed with very steril play.
    like you said some times managers seem like utter idiots because they cant seem to realise the most simple things.
    currently there isnt one system(as some would say) that has to be used but more different players.

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    Capello needs some time but i tell you that when he finds a team that wins he tends to stick to this. he really truly doesnt care how well a team play as long as they manage to get the win. he is defo not the manager imo to bring in some younger players imo. i think he is a good manager but compared to what England needs now he is not the right choice.
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:25 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:Is that the hactual Craig David?! And there was thinking it was a new nickname for Joe Cole Embarassed scratch

    Can't be bothered to argue on Pearce, don't know enough but I suspect the "salt of the earth" cliché may be a bit superficial. Certainly the likes of Casiraghi had their reasons for disliking him.

    You are taking the piss with that last sentence I trust Bernd Biggrin

    (Nearly met Teddy recently – mate of mine plays professional poker so been to watch him occasionally, rubbing shoulders with such types...)

    There was a UNICEF game on Sunday at Wembley - England V Rest Of the World, had a mix of old players (although Figo played for the ROW which was rather odd, seeing as he had only just been playing a Serie A match a few days before) and "celebs" (loosely termed - Jonathan Wilkes was the captain of England)

    Craig David got MOTM (obviously not given to any of the players), although of the celebs I thought that Jones fella the guitarist (or drummer?) from Mcfly was the best - awesome cross for Shearer to thunder home,

    followed by that Brazilian actor on the ROW side who scored with that looping curler.

    Highlight of the match for me was when they interviewed Jamie Theakston about the England captaincy, he said "well, it should have gone to either an ex-football player or a celebrity.....". Couldnt agree more, Wilkes is best know for being Robbie's best friend, what does he actually do?

    Allez- trust me, no cliches involved with Pearce. The guy is as honest and down to earth as they come- remember his time as Man City manager, he almost never criticised the referee, moaned about not receiving a penalty, called the other side lucky. Infact is was partially his honesty that counted against him in the end as he would never make excuses for his sides performances, which clearly irks players who feel their manager should do a Fergie or Wenger and tell bare faced lies if necessary to blame anyone else but them. A top man Ale
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:57 pm

    Cabrera Was good. the guy from Heroes.

    Also thought Byrne was good for the ROW side.

    Yeh, the guitarist from McFly reminded me of Jimmy Bullard.
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:03 pm

    Glenn Hysén wrote:did anyone see the England vs ROW this weekend? I turned it on with about 20 minutes to go not knowing what it was, saw a nice move involving Le Saux, Redknapp, Shearer and Sherringham taking Jaap Stam to pieces so decided to leave it on. Few minutes later the 4 of them combined again to set up Craig David who shot narrowly over. It completely freaked me out.

    Only watched the second half but it was surreal.

    "Shearer to Sheringham to Craig David". Yikes

    Loved Shearer's header, really rolled back the years.

    The player who most impressed me from the celebs was Brian Lara, didn't look out of place at all.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:12 pm

    Well he is a professional athlete even if it is only cricket
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:29 pm

    I'd like to make us all aware that despite the doom and gloom of the full national team,

    England are World Champions at both the Handicapped and Gay World Cups

    To the Handicapped and Gays Ale
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    Post by christmasborocooper Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:30 pm

    Its not two seperate events TRWP..
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:31 pm

    England's gays > Germany's gays
    England's handicapped > Germans

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    Post by dont panic! Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:01 pm

    Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:I'd like to make us all aware that despite the doom and gloom of the full national team,

    England are World Champions at both the Handicapped and Gay World Cups

    To the Handicapped and Gays Ale

    yep..something germany can only dream of...


    oh..wait...world champions of childish characterless gits is one title you did win recently:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkFRItqOtDU&feature=related

    a team to be proud of im sure youll agree lol!
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:09 pm

    cheers

    I don't know what Bernd has done to deserve this I must admit Laugh
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    Post by DS Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:10 pm

    Will
    he play a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 to try and get the best out of Wayne Rooney
    and Joe Cole? Will Theo or Becks get the nod? Or will he opt for
    neither? And will Wes Brown get a recall on the right?


    RIGHT-BACK: WES BROWN OR GLEN JOHNSON
    The fact that - according to the Daily Mail at least - Wes Brown
    ended Monday's training session 'working alone with one of the coaches
    on touch and control', tells you two things: a) Fabio Capello is
    optimistic about what can be achieved in an hour and b) Brown is likely
    to come in for Johnson against Croatia. It's horses for courses -
    Johnson is a viable option if you want an overlapping full-back against
    a poor side, but if you're looking for defensive stability, Brown has
    to be the pick. What he lacks in a first touch, he generally makes up
    for in basic defensive skills.

    CENTRE-BACK: RIO FERDINAND OR JOLEON LESCOTT
    The dilemma may well be whether to take a risk on a player
    unlikely to be completely fit. What's better - a 90% ready Rio
    Ferdinand or a 100% ready Joleon Lescott? After leaving out Michael
    Owen for not being sharp, Capello could cop some flak if he throws in
    Ferdinand but he's very likely to do that anyway - Lescott was one of
    the culprits in that Wembley defeat against Croatia and Capello will be
    in no rush to throw him in the deep end again. In partnership with
    Ferdinand, he might be the right side of 'fine', but in partnership
    with John Terry? A car crash waiting to happen.

    LEFT-WING: STEWART DOWNING OR JOE COLE
    Cole's making all the right noises about his place not being
    guaranteed but even the famously hard-arsed Capello is unlikely to
    ignore the Chelsea man's claims after two goals in a cameo that saved
    England from embarrassment against Andorra. There may be a slight
    temptation to go with Downing because he basically does as he's told,
    but a combination of Cole's obvious class and versatility should swing
    the vote his way. Especially when there's early talk of a 4-3-3 - a
    formation much better suited to Cole, who would happily chop and change
    with Wayne Rooney behind a front man.

    RIGHT-WING: THEO WALCOTT OR DAVID BECKHAM
    This may turn out to be a moot point as there's a possibility
    that neither would figure in a 4-3-3, but if Capello opts for a 4-4-2,
    this is probably the most intriguing decision of the day. Choosing
    Walcott would be a clear message - pace, hunger and enthusiasm over
    experience and reliability - that could make or break Capello's
    reputation as England boss. Walcott himself says he plays with no fear
    and that could be exactly the ticket for a potentially frozen England
    in Croatia, while Beckham is a cracking weapon to have on the bench if
    England are chasing a goal. Of course, Capello may well duck the
    question with a switch of formation.

    UP FRONT: EMILE HESKEY OR JERMAIN DEFOE
    Say what you like about Heskey - and many do by using words like
    'bumbling' and buffoon', but Heskey has a USP (a defining
    characteristic, if you will), which is vital for an international
    striker. Many more prolific strikers have fallen short at England level
    - Darren Bent, Andy Johnson and many others going back to the days of
    Ian Wright - because they have a decent touch, a decent finish, decent
    pace and they work decently hard. That all might get you 20 Premier
    League goals in a season, but it might not be enough for England. Defoe
    is amongst that group, while Heskey is not - he bothers international
    defences, he makes them uneasy, he draws fouls. He might be better with
    Michael Owen in tow, but he's a fair bit more effective that Defoe in
    any case.

    THE FORMATION: 4-4-2 OR 4-3-3
    We know Wayne Rooney doesn't work in a 4-4-2, ManYoo fans know
    it, Sir Alex knows it and probably Fabio Capello now knows it too after
    watching him play against Andorra absolutely anywhere but up front.
    He's not clever enough not to chase the ball back to the edge of his
    own box and yet his touch of genius for Cole's second goal tells you he
    cannot really be left out of a game that may only need one touch of
    genius. The solution could be a 4-3-3 with Cole and Rooney given a
    degree of freedom behind a striker - freedom to go deep and help out in
    the knowledge that the other is supporting the striker. But would a
    4-4-2 send a message of intent that would give England an advantage
    before the opening whistle? Big decisions - but this is why Capello is
    paid the big bucks.

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    Post by DS Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:11 pm

    When has D Bent given a decent chance for England ?
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:20 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:cheers

    I don't know what Bernd has done to deserve this I must admit Laugh

    I do believe Trees thinks I'm Otto Biggrin
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:53 pm

    DS wrote:When has D Bent given a decent chance for England ?

    He hasn't. He's only ever played one friendly.
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    Post by debaser Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:32 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    DS wrote:When has D Bent given a decent chance for England ?

    He hasn't. He's only ever played one friendly.
    Bent should've been given more of a chance a couple of yrs ago. Done nothing since moving to Spurs to warrant a place in the squad, though.

    If they're talking 4-3-3 - I'm assuming it means Rooney, JCole + Defoe/Heskey as the front 3, but who would be the mid 3 - Lampard-Barry-Jenas?
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:35 pm

    It'll have to be Heskey if we're playing a 3 no way could Defoe play that position especially against a good team.

    I think he may go with Beckham instead of Jenas.
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    Post by debaser Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:38 pm

    if it's Beckham, it'd end up pretty much 4-4-2 anyway, Cole or Rooney would drop left, and Beckham would drift to the right

    Jenas would make most sense - his pace/energy would be more important that Beckham's set pieces, especially alongside Lampard and Barry, neither of whom is particularly fast.
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    Post by DS Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:11 pm

    Bullard he's attacking , decent set piece taker , energetic.
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    Post by Tom Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:24 pm

    get capello to pick a team and then say 'right, you can't have any of those players'. Then we'd see a better england team.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:49 pm

    Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:52 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok

    A pace merchant if ever i saw one. A fast Dirk Kuyt with less skill. He has PGD tattooed on his arse.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:56 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok

    A pace merchant if ever i saw one. A fast Dirk Kuyt with less skill. He has PGD tattooed on his arse.
    A pace merchant with no goal threat but will still trouble Terry(John Terry better pray England's best defender is fully fit)
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:58 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok

    A pace merchant if ever i saw one. A fast Dirk Kuyt with less skill. He has PGD tattooed on his arse.
    A pace merchant with no goal threat but will still trouble Terry(John Terry better pray England's best defender is fully fit)

    Woodgate is NEVER fully fit, even when he was a newborn baby.
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    Post by Calidad Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:00 pm

    Jenas shouldn't be anywhere near the side
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:02 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok

    A pace merchant if ever i saw one. A fast Dirk Kuyt with less skill. He has PGD tattooed on his arse.
    A pace merchant with no goal threat but will still trouble Terry(John Terry better pray England's best defender is fully fit)

    Woodgate is NEVER fully fit, even when he was a newborn baby.
    Woodgate?,since when did he become England's best defender?
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:05 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok

    A pace merchant if ever i saw one. A fast Dirk Kuyt with less skill. He has PGD tattooed on his arse.
    A pace merchant with no goal threat but will still trouble Terry(John Terry better pray England's best defender is fully fit)

    Woodgate is NEVER fully fit, even when he was a newborn baby.
    Woodgate?,since when did he become England's best defender?

    Since when was he not? scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:09 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Croatia to win (Olic if he plays to run Terry ragged) <Ale> <Ale> <Ale> ok ok ok

    A pace merchant if ever i saw one. A fast Dirk Kuyt with less skill. He has PGD tattooed on his arse.
    A pace merchant with no goal threat but will still trouble Terry(John Terry better pray England's best defender is fully fit)

    Woodgate is NEVER fully fit, even when he was a newborn baby.
    Woodgate?,since when did he become England's best defender?

    Since when was he not? scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch
    The guy does not play enough games and Rio Ferdinand does its like me saying Jorge Andrade is Portugal's best defender scratch scratch scratch

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