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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:40 pm

    Glennston Churchill wrote:Abracababeyor is moaning about Arbeloa's reaction, as if you aren't going to react of having an arm flung in your face. I'm sure plenty of Arsenal players have/would reacted similarly.

    Probably, but that doesnt make it right does it?

    Arbeloa went down like someone had sprayed mace in his eyes when really..he got a bit of a tap in the face. You might stop in your tracks but why fling yourself to the ground holding your face?

    As usual though, Wenger claims someone should be sent off for winning the ball, he is obviously mentally disabled.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:42 pm

    It doesn't make it right no, but it makes Abadobadebeda look a bit of a wally for complaining about it. It's a football issue, not an Arbeloa issue.
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    Post by COTR Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:42 pm

    Glennston Churchill wrote:Abracababeyor is moaning about Arbeloa's reaction, as if you aren't going to react of having an arm flung in your face. I'm sure plenty of Arsenal players have/would reacted similarly.

    Wanger seems to be rewriting history and has managed to convince himself of what would have happened had Adebeyour stayed on the field. The Arsenal midfield looked excellent after the sending off, but you can't say they were playing the same way with 11 men. Wanger should be thanking the referee for helping him salvage a point.

    The strangest thing was him thinking arsenal were gaining control of the match in the second half before the sending off with the sending off thereby ruining their domination and chances to win the game

    Did he really not notice them barely touching the ball for the first 20 minutes of the second half ?

    The first half was fairly even with us missing the best chance to take the lead (gerrard)

    We totally dominated the first 20 minutes of the second half and the final ten minutes, with arsenal finally awaking from their slumber for about 15 mins due to the sending off (without ever threatening our goal)


    I never used to know why people had such a problem with wenger but f@ck me he is one almighty c**t
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:45 pm

    Glennston Churchill wrote:It doesn't make it right no, but it makes Abadobadebeda look a bit of a wally for complaining about it. It's a football issue, not an Arbeloa issue.

    He's obviously going to moan about Arbeloa though, it was Arbeloa that did it to get him sent off..not someone else.

    Players are stupid anyway, one week they moan about players diving ruining the game, the next week they're diving. Silly football players.
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    Post by COTR Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:52 pm

    borocooper wrote:
    Glennston Churchill wrote:It doesn't make it right no, but it makes Abadobadebeda look a bit of a wally for complaining about it. It's a football issue, not an Arbeloa issue.

    He's obviously going to moan about Arbeloa though, it was Arbeloa that did it to get him sent off..not someone else.

    Players are stupid anyway, one week they moan about players diving ruining the game, the next week they're diving. Silly football players.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article5380568.ece

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    1:33 on this vid

    It's hardly something you can blame arbeloa over when you see it this close up. He actually gets an elbow then an arm
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:04 pm

    Still seems to be an overreaction to me.
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    Post by debaser Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:47 pm

    Looked like he got caught in the neck and went down grabbing both sides of his forehead. If not an outright dive, a definite attempt to make it look worse than it was.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:02 pm

    clearly Arbeloa is the villain of the piece, but perhaps proper etiquette should be established as to what you can and can't do when a 6 ft 4 brick shithouse launches himself into your face.
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    Post by debaser Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:12 pm

    Arbeloa reacted the 'natural' way a lot of footballers have learnt, feel anything on or around your face and fling yourself backwards as if punched in the eye. He showed proper gamesmanship etiquette (and he's faaaaaaaaar from the only top footballer who'd do that). So yes, we can argue Adebayor is a hypocrite, as some Arsenal players are particularly prone to doing the exact same thing. But that doesn't make it right ok
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:57 pm

    Glennston Churchill wrote:clearly Arbeloa is the villain of the piece, but perhaps proper etiquette should be established as to what you can and can't do when a 6 ft 4 brick shithouse launches himself into your face.

    Stop trying to defend the diver, you silly bummer.
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    Post by Luis Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:39 pm

    I'm glad Keano scored that yesterday - the people who are saying sell him are idiots, that goal is what he's all about, feed the Keane and he will score..

    COTR you in particular have been saying Keane is shit but look at what your man Babel did, f@ck all, Babel is a waste of space, he's meant to be competing with Riera but Riera is miles ahead of him, in class and in work rate.

    Judge Keane at the end of the season, like he said, still can't understand why Rafa keeps taking him off, leave him on!!!!
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    Post by COTR Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:42 pm

    Luis wrote:I'm glad Keano scored that yesterday - the people who are saying sell him are idiots, that goal is what he's all about, feed the Keane and he will score..

    COTR you in particular have been saying Keane is shit but look at what your man Babel did, f@ck all, Babel is a waste of space, he's meant to be competing with Riera but Riera is miles ahead of him, in class and in work rate.

    Judge Keane at the end of the season, like he said, still can't understand why Rafa keeps taking him off, leave him on!!!!

    Luis the difference is keane has played 90% of our games this season, babel has played about 0.001%

    Keane has been fed pretty well, but missed sitter after open net after sitter after open net

    One great goal does not change a season of shite I'm afraid

    If it's any consolation I don't blame keane. He isn't suited to the way we play and probably never will be
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:44 pm

    Babel is still shit.
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    Post by Luis Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:44 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Luis wrote:I'm glad Keano scored that yesterday - the people who are saying sell him are idiots, that goal is what he's all about, feed the Keane and he will score..

    COTR you in particular have been saying Keane is shit but look at what your man Babel did, f@ck all, Babel is a waste of space, he's meant to be competing with Riera but Riera is miles ahead of him, in class and in work rate.

    Judge Keane at the end of the season, like he said, still can't understand why Rafa keeps taking him off, leave him on!!!!

    Luis the difference is keane has played 90% of our games this season, babel has played about 0.001%

    Keane has been fed pretty well, but missed sitter after open net after sitter after open net

    One great goal does not change a season of shite I'm afraid

    If it's any consolation I don't blame keane. He isn't suited to the way we play and probably never will be

    Keane has been taken off though every game, so what does that do for confidence...you can't be judged in December tbh, Babel has had plenty of opportunities at Liverpool and every time he comes on he looks disinterested mate, simple as that. He should stick to his rapping.

    I beg to differ about Keane never fitting in, I bet you he'll be a success at Anfield, and I think he'll score at least 10 league goals this season.
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    Post by COTR Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:48 pm

    Luis wrote:

    Keane has been taken off though every game, so what does that do for confidence...you can't be judged in December tbh, Babel has had plenty of opportunities at Liverpool and every time he comes on he looks disinterested mate, simple as that. He should stick to his rapping.

    I beg to differ about Keane never fitting in, I bet you he'll be a success at Anfield, and I think he'll score at least 10 league goals this season.

    If keane only scores ten goals then he will be a massive failure. He isn't exactly a major creative force

    Rafa has totally fucked babel over. Only the future will tell who is right about him
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    Post by Luis Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:50 pm

    Babel fucked himself over, he's been given opportunities and hasn't taken them.
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    Post by COTR Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:53 pm

    Luis wrote:Babel fucked himself over, he's been given opportunities and hasn't taken them.

    He was bloody brilliant at the start of the season then vanished without trace (remember the mancs or marseille ?), only to reappear for ten minute cameos when rafa's plan of playing the creative forces of kuyt and keane inevitably is not working

    Rafa has screwed him over, all because as an attacking player he doesn't always chase back to his own goal. That is the ONLY reason


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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:54 pm

    His lack of ability must be a factor too.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:54 pm

    For feck sake it's fairly obvious Keane will partner lovely Fernando when he is fit again(hopefully he'll play at the weekend).

    Rafa has played them together 90% of the time when both have been available. Only once in regards to the league has Keane sat on the bench and that was at Man City away.

    So again it's fairly obvious to me that Rafa will play 4-4-2 espically in the league more ofthen than not.

    If we played Gerrard right, Xabi and Masch in the middle and Riera on the left.

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    Post by DS Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:03 pm

    Luis wrote:I'm glad Keano scored that yesterday - the people who are saying sell him are idiots, that goal is what he's all about, feed the Keane and he will score..

    COTR you in particular have been saying Keane is shit but look at what your man Babel did, f@ck all, Babel is a waste of space, he's meant to be competing with Riera but Riera is miles ahead of him, in class and in work rate.

    Judge Keane at the end of the season, like he said, still can't understand why Rafa keeps taking him off, leave him on!!!!
    So you are thinking of Keane as the furthest upfront rather then the creator so what role do Torres play , do you take the risk of adapting a game not suited to your best striker.
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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:07 pm

    DS wrote:
    Luis wrote:I'm glad Keano scored that yesterday - the people who are saying sell him are idiots, that goal is what he's all about, feed the Keane and he will score..

    COTR you in particular have been saying Keane is shit but look at what your man Babel did, f@ck all, Babel is a waste of space, he's meant to be competing with Riera but Riera is miles ahead of him, in class and in work rate.

    Judge Keane at the end of the season, like he said, still can't understand why Rafa keeps taking him off, leave him on!!!!
    So you are thinking of Keane as the furthest upfront rather then the creator so what role do Torres play , do you take the risk of adapting a game not suited to your best striker.

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    Post by DS Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:38 am

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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:16 am

    After his sacking by Leeds I'd love to see Gary Mac come back to us, with some kind of coaching role. I expect he'd only be interested in an assistant manager job (and maybe not even that) though.

    He can still probably pass a ball better than anyone in our midfield except Xabi.
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    Post by Batman Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:22 am

    JERMAINE Pennant could be set for a sensational move to Real Madrid – despite claims he may be on the brink of turning down the move over personal terms.

    Liverpool accepted an offer in the region of £3m from the La Liga outfit yesterday and a deal could yet be completed if his personal terms can be resolved.

    Pennant is out of contract at Anfield in the summer and would be able to leave Liverpool on a free transfer once his current deal expires in June. So any transfer fee brought in during the January transfer would be welcomed by the Reds.

    Several Premier League clubs have been interested in signing the 25-year-old, with Wigan keen to take him on loan in January, and Stoke City and Blackburn having attempted to buy him last summer.

    But the interest from Real has come out of the blue and Liverpool will be hoping that a deal can be concluded that would lead to Pennant plying his trade at a club outside the Premier League.

    Having signed Pennant from Birmingham for a fee of £6.7m in the summer of 2006, Rafa Benitez made it clear that he was willing to let him go during the last transfer window.

    A move failed to materialise, though, and with the clock ticking down on his contract Liverpool know that the January transfer window represents their last opportunity to recoup any of their outlay on a player who has made 79 appearances.

    Pennant has found himself out of the first team picture this season and has only played four games with Dirk Kuyt being preferred by Benitez on the right hand side of midfield.

    Since being Liverpool's best player in the 2007 European Cup final defeat to AC Milan, Pennant's Anfield career has been on a downward spiral, and news of Real's interest is likely to be as surprising to football fans in Spain as it is in this country.

    Newly appointed Real boss Juande Ramos is keen to bring in a player who can add some width to his side and has earmarked Pennant as the man to do it.

    With a fee having been agreed one of the most unlikely transfers in recent times has taken a massive step towards being completed.

    Personal terms proved a stumbling block to potential transfers in the summer, though, and there are no guarantees that Pennant will come to an agreement with Real, particularly as he will be a free agent in just six months time.

    Liverpool have suffered another injury blow with the news that right back Alvaro Arbeloa is facing a spell on the sidelines.

    The Spanish defender pulled up during training yesterday and is believed to have sustained a hamstring strain.

    The extent of the injury was being assessed at Melwood today, but Arbeloa is likely to be out for at least a fortnight, leaving Benitez with the option of shifting Jamie Carragher to right back or promoting promising youngster Stephen Darby.

    The news on Fernando Torres is more promising, however, after assistant manager Sammy Lee revealed that the striker's progress from his own hamstring injury is "marked".

    Meanwhile, Lee has responded to comments made by former Liverpool star Mark Lawrenson in a newspaper column in which the Match of the Day pundit said he "felt sorry" for his former Anfield team mate during Sunday's draw with the Gunners.

    Lawrenson said that the sight of Lee "scurrying to the goalkeeper coach to get another message" from Benitez suggested that he wasn't being trusted to take charge of the team by his absent boss.

    But Lee told the ECHO: "Apparently, one of my former colleagues feels sorry for me, and while I appreciate his obviously genuine concern for me, I am really proud to be at this club in the position that I am in which is assistant manager.

    "Being assistant manager I will assist the manager in whichever way I can and whether that be by phone, by text or whatever, we will continue to help each other and try to get the very best for this team and this football club.

    "So, while I appreciate his concern, it is unfounded because I am pleased to be where I am."
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    Post by Luis Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:14 pm

    Will he be cup tied for them? I don't think he's played any champions league football for us this season...could be wrong.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:27 pm

    he's not cuptied but I think the deal is stalling because Ramos has to convince Raul to give up the #7 shirt.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:48 pm

    lol!
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    Post by Luis Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:48 pm

    Liverpool have suffered another injury blow with the news that right back Alvaro Arbeloa is facing a spell on the sidelines.

    The Spanish defender pulled up during training yesterday and is believed to have sustained a hamstring strain.
    The extent of the injury was being assessed at Melwood today, but Arbeloa is likely to be out for at least a fortnight, leaving Benitez with the option of shifting Jamie Carragher to right back or promoting promising youngster Stephen Darby.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:19 pm

    Luis wrote:Liverpool have suffered another injury blow with the news that right back Alvaro Arbeloa is facing a spell on the sidelines.

    The Spanish defender pulled up during training yesterday and is believed to have sustained a hamstring strain.
    The extent of the injury was being assessed at Melwood today, but Arbeloa is likely to be out for at least a fortnight, leaving Benitez with the option of shifting Jamie Carragher to right back or promoting promising youngster Stephen Darby.
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    f@ck.

    Darby played againist Bolton last time at the Reebok, might be wrong scratch

    Hopefully he gets his chance and takes it Ale Carra and Hypia will start tommorow IMO, so we shouldn't see Carra at RB.

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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:16 pm

    Ade Alves wrote:
    Luis wrote:Liverpool have suffered another injury blow with the news that right back Alvaro Arbeloa is facing a spell on the sidelines.

    The Spanish defender pulled up during training yesterday and is believed to have sustained a hamstring strain.
    The extent of the injury was being assessed at Melwood today, but Arbeloa is likely to be out for at least a fortnight, leaving Benitez with the option of shifting Jamie Carragher to right back or promoting promising youngster Stephen Darby.
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    f@ck.

    Darby played againist Bolton last time at the Reebok, might be wrong scratch

    Hopefully he gets his chance and takes it Ale Carra and Hypia will start tommorow IMO, so we shouldn't see Carra at RB.

    Germaina Pennant cheers

    Oooh supposedly Degan is fit again scratch So he could start at the weekend.

    Leaves us with 4 options then...

    Degan
    Darby
    Carra = Agger and Hypia as CBs

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    something I wouldn't mind... 3-5-2 which I think will be good at home espically vs. some team like Bolton.

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