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Best managers

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Best managers

by Parks lives Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:08 pm

Same as the goalkeepers the IFFHS have come up with the best managers of the last 12 years

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IFFHS, the International Federation of Football History and Statistics, have drawn up a new 'best' list, this time composed of the best coaches of the last 12 years, at least according to their standards. They have stirred up controversy over some of their lists in the past, and it will be no different this time.

Sir Alex Ferguson tops the list after winning a massive 21 trophies over this time-span with Manchester United, while Marcello Lippi is second thanks to his many victories with Juventus, including five Serie A titles and a Champions League, and, of course, the World Cup victory as Italian national team coach in 2006.

Arsene Wenger is in third place, even though he has won considerably less silverware with Arsenal than the top two coaches. Nevertheless, he has managed to make the Gunners into one of the most consistently stylish and attack-minded sides in Europe over the past 12 years, often using very young players.

So far, no controversies. However, perhaps Carlo Ancelotti's absence from the top 10, after he managed to win every possible club honour with Milan, is somewhat surprising. Current England coach Fabio Capello is only 20th despite winning league titles with Roma, Juventus, and Real Madrid, and leading the Three Lions to an impressive start to their World Cup qualifying campaign.

Here are the IFFHS' top 10 coaches of the last 12 years:

01 Ferguson

02 Lippi

03 Wenger

04 Hiddink

05 Eriksson

06 Mourinho

07 Hitzfeld

08 Scolari

09 Rijkaard and Bielsa

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Re: Best managers

by Tweesus Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:13 pm

Let the Wenger bashing begin cheers

cheers

Really think Benitez should be in there and I'm surprised that he isn't. Guess he didn't do too much back in 1999-2002 though.

Likewise Mourinho which is why he is so far down.

If the list was based on the last 5 years it would be completely different of course.

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Re: Best managers

by Football Genius Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:14 pm

worst list....ever

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Re: Best managers

by Guest Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:16 pm

Wenger and Ferguson has benifitted from being at one club for such a long time.

Despite the fact, that i hate want capello stands for, he should be in the top 5, with him and lippi fighting for the number 1 spot

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Re: Best managers

by Parks lives Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:18 pm

I'd have the top two the same but the rest are pretty laughable, especially the order.

Capello and Ancelloti should be in the top ten, arguably Rafa as well. Don't think Sven should be in there at all.

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Re: Best managers

by BoBo Vieri 32 Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:50 pm

Bielsa? Wasn't he manager of Argentina in 02?

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Re: Best managers

by Super Progress Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:01 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Bielsa? Wasn't he manager of Argentina in 02?

Yes and in 04 when they won the olympics. If I remember correctly he was also the manager when Argentina trashed Brazil.

Anyway what is the point of having it be 12 years? The fact that Wenger is nr.2 kind of shows once again these lists based on stats alone aren't really all that good. I would have Capello at nr.2 with 5 league titles(2x Real Madrid, 2x Juventus, Roma) Allthough he didn't manage to get a Cl win, at least in that time period.

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Re: Best managers

by Parks lives Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:05 pm

Capello at 1, when he hasn't got a Champions league like you said? Plus every club he's been at his left in a pretty terrible state.

Top ten, maybe top 5 but no where near 1st, Lippi is far ahead of him imo.

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Re: Best managers

by BoBo Vieri 32 Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:14 pm

Capello hasn't even reached the semi's of a european competition in the last 12 years which is quite poor when you consider the teams he managed. His domestic record is brilliant though.

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Re: Best managers

by Super Progress Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:18 pm

Parks lives wrote:Capello at 1, when he hasn't got a Champions league like you said? Plus every club he's been at his left in a pretty terrible state.

Top ten, maybe top 5 but no where near 1st, Lippi is far ahead of him imo.

Well for me it is the difficulty of having managed clubs in times where they weren't really all that great. Winning with Roma is hard job regardless of the players they have. And getting a title with Real at that point was a about as difficult taks one could choose. Also you can't help but take the past in consideration aswell.

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Re: Best managers

by BoBo Vieri 32 Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:25 pm

Super Madrid wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Capello at 1, when he hasn't got a Champions league like you said? Plus every club he's been at his left in a pretty terrible state.

Top ten, maybe top 5 but no where near 1st, Lippi is far ahead of him imo.

Well for me it is the difficulty of having managed clubs in times where they weren't really all that great. Winning with Roma is hard job regardless of the players they have. And getting a title with Real at that point was a about as difficult taks one could choose. Also you can't help but take the past in consideration aswell.

I guess that's true. Though i guess it's not that i expected him to win the CL, but to at least reach a respectable level. IMO he underachieved with Juve in the CL, which can be partly put down to his non rotation policy and his tactics. At Roma he never made it out of the group stages, and should've done better in their UEFA cup season too. Like you said, it's hard with Roma, but i would've expected better.

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Re: Best managers

by Parks lives Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:27 pm

I don't think it was that difficult when you consider how bad Barcelona and Valencia was in that period.
Plus as Bobo said his Championship league record was dreadful.

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Re: Best managers

by Machiavel Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:35 pm

Vicente del Bosque should be in the list if Rijkaard & Sven are.

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Re: Best managers

by Super Progress Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:37 pm

Parks lives wrote:I don't think it was that difficult when you consider how bad Barcelona and Valencia was in that period.
Plus as Bobo said his Championship league record was dreadful.

Well it was difficult imo because Barca were getting about as many points as the seasons before allthough their play horrible. The major difficulty was not competing but turning the club around.
Still see his Roma title as the hardest one because Roma didn't have a culture of winning and it is a hard place to get a title.
Anyway this is rather pointless because it doesn't make sense to put on a time period but rather say who is the best active coach.

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Re: Best managers

by TM Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:40 pm

Catorce wrote:Vicente del Bosque should be in the list if Rijkaard & Sven are.

Was just about to say the same thing.

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Re: Best managers

by Parks lives Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:42 pm

Yeah I can't understand the Del Bosque ommission.

Probably take Bielsa, Rijkaard and Sven out for Del Bosque, Cappello and then one of Ancelloti or Rafa.

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Re: Best managers

by Machiavel Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:43 pm

Plus in the years del Bosque managed Real Madrid (1999-2003) – they always made the semi-finals of the Champions League minimum. Something they have failed to do since his departure. I know there are many factors for why this is but it does make de Bosque success that even more special.

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by TM Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:55 pm

Catorce wrote:Plus in the years del Bosque managed Real Madrid (1999-2003) – they always made the semi-finals of the Champions League minimum. Something they have failed to do since his departure. I know there are many factors for why this is but it does make de Bosque success that even more special.

Yep! And in the past 5 seasons RM haven't managed to get past the second round.

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Re: Best managers

by Since 1888 Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:01 pm

RIJKAARD?

Somebody shoot Rijkaard + the creator of the list.

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Re: Best managers

by Super Progress Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:03 pm

Catorce wrote:Plus in the years del Bosque managed Real Madrid (1999-2003) – they always made the semi-finals of the Champions League minimum. Something they have failed to do since his departure. I know there are many factors for why this is but it does make de Bosque success that even more special.

That is an achivement which Benitez can also compete with. Except for 2006 when Liverpool went out to Benfica Benitez has 2 finals and 1 semifinal. However what makes Del Bosques achivement much better is the style in which his team did it.

Ancelotti is sort of the opposite Capello with great succes in Europe but faliure in domestic football except for 04 and I haven't been particular impressed with Milan in Serie A since they won the league title.

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Re: Best managers

by Tweesus Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:45 pm

Del Bosque has to be one of the most undervalued managers in the history of football.

Real Madrid were idiots for sacking him.

Sure, they didn't have the best of seasons but the football he had them playing was phenomenal!

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by TM Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:47 pm

Tweedle wrote:Del Bosque has to be one of the most undervalued managers in the history of football.

Real Madrid were idiots for sacking him.

Sure, they didn't have the best of seasons but the football he had them playing was phenomenal!

Sorry? We won the leauge that season!

Which makes the decision to sack him even more stupid.

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by Machiavel Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:02 pm

Florentino Pérez ‘project’ was undermining del Bosque – there was always going to be one winner.

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Re: Best managers

by Pierre Littbarski Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:25 pm

Parks lives wrote:

Here are the IFFHS' top 10 coaches of the last 12 years:

01 Ferguson

02 Lippi

03 Wenger

04 Hiddink

05 Eriksson

06 Mourinho

07 Hitzfeld

08 Scolari

09 Rijkaard and Bielsa

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Re: Best managers

by Super Progress Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:18 am

Tweedle wrote:Del Bosque has to be one of the most undervalued managers in the history of football.

Real Madrid were idiots for sacking him.

Sure, they didn't have the best of seasons but the football he had them playing was phenomenal!

Del Bosque won a title(Cl/League) in every season he had with Real which was 4 to be exact. Of course he also had smaller titles like a european super cup, intercontinel, spanish cups.

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