Home grown players in your first team?

Watching West Ham vs Villa today I noticed Villa had 5 homegrown players in there side today - Barry, Ridgewell, Davis, Moore and Agbonlahor.

I know in our's its normally 4.

Can anyone beat Villa's 5?

Well, first choice we would have 4: Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Messi. But if Iniesta was to start (which he will do a lot of this season), then it would still be considered a "first choice" team, so I guess you could say 4.5. Motta and Oleguer are decent too, though not many Barca fans would choose to have them as our first choice players unless it's due to injuries or rotations. So a maximum of 7, but most often 4 or 5.

I'm sure Boro could beat 5, or Arsenal since they like to use a flexible definition of homegrown players

We had 5 play yesterday...and 1 on the bench

Does that count as a win?

borocooper wrote:We had 5 play yesterday...and 1 on the bench

Does that count as a win?

Checking Villa's bench they had Whittingham and a couple of others I've never heard of so I guess its a draw.

We normally have Richardson and Fletcher on the bench as well.

@ Kasnani, checking Arsenal's squad yesterday they had two - Djourou and Fabregas. Although there missing Sendersos and Clichy who may count although only Clichy would probably start and even then Djourou would have to drop out.

oh we had Turnbull aswell

forgot about him

Villa have a got a good youth team though yeah, I think it was them we beat the year we won the youth cup

So Boro and Villa then.

With us third.

City must be doing well, they've got a good youth system havent they?

Not many starters though I don't think.

Barton, maybe Richards and Jordan (especially know Thatcher is out).

what about Ireland? isnt he there anymore....

or Flood? is he there anymore?

Ireland is, however I think he just gets the odd substitue performance. Shame as I thought he was class when I first saw him.

Haven't seen Flood play for them for a while. May have even left.

Yeah I thought Ireland looked a good prospect, we'll have to get Goater in, ask him whats going on.

I think Flood might have left actually yeah, I do remember them letting one of the young ones go recently, might have been him.

Does anyone know the statistic for the newly promoted teams as well?

Parks Lives wrote:Haven't seen Flood play for them for a while. May have even left.

scored the winner for the mighty bluebirds at elland road this season

Yeh, Floods been fantastic for them - he's scored more than one goal for them this season and was integral to their 3-0 win on Saturday

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:Haven't seen Flood play for them for a while. May have even left.

scored the winner for the mighty bluebirds at elland road this season

Sorry mate, hadn't a clue.

Of course, since Arsenal are now legally an extension of the French Embassy in London and therefore the Emirates Stadium is French soil, most of their players are home-grown, either in France or ex-French colonies like Cote D'Ivoire...

what about spurs these days three egyptians, zokora, hardly english at its best is it.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:what about spurs these days three egyptians, zokora, hardly english at its best is it.

Still have Robinson, King, Dawson, Jenas, Lennon, Defoe.

5 of them starters.

well arsenal had 0 in the 16 at the weekend

kingreyes wrote:well arsenal had 0 in the 16 at the weekend

Well, they did get rid of their only two senior English players this summer. But no, Wenger's got nothing against English players at all...

saintgoingmarching wrote:

kingreyes wrote:well arsenal had 0 in the 16 at the weekend

Well, they did get rid of their only two senior English players this summer. But no, Wenger's got nothing against English players at all...

the only 2 english players who have a chance of getting in the 16 are hoyte (who was playing at left back until gallas came along), and walcott. so basically we are going to be fielding are foreign 11 a lot this season

saints that wasn´t wenger totally sol had had it at arsenal wasn´t up to it anymore, cashley wanted away the reasons were not wenger

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:saints that wasn´t wenger totally sol had had it at arsenal

Perhaps because he was sick of Wenger's blatant anti-English bias and the French clique...

wasn´t up to it anymore, cashley wanted away the reasons were not wenger

Ask yourself why Cole met with Chelsea and got into trouble in the first place. Ask yourself why we've seen several English keepers come and go at Arsenal while Lehmann (a dirty cheating bastard who isn't even that good a keeper) and Almunia (accident waiting to happen) remain. Ask why Wenger didn't buy Joe Cole, Michael Carrick or Jermaine Defoe from West Ham despite all being available at reasonable prices (price being Wenger's excuse for not buying English talent). Or why he never bought Reo-Coker from Wimbledon (now MK Dons) when it was blatant that he was on his way to being a top player. Ask why, of all the players that have come through Arsenal's academy under Wenger, only 2 are English (Cole, who left, and Hoyte, who will leave within 2 seaons I reckon).

Ask why, when challenged about his transfer policy, Wenger accused Pardew of racism. Why bring racism into it, unless you are covering up your own? It's so obvious, it's almost textbook.

Saintgoingmarching, I think you're being extremely unreasonable. Cole met Chelsea because he is greedy and selfish and lured by the 'celebrity' of being part of Chelsea. Wenger certainly shouldn't take any blame.

Campbell was always on his way out after the way he behaved last year. You might put it down to anti-English bias, but Campbell played poorly last season and walked out on the club, his teammates and the fans without once apologising for his behaviour. I get the feeling that if a foreign player had done that you would have criticised them but because it is Campbell you prefer to blame Wenger.

I admit that we should play more English players and that Wenger hasn't always taken a chance on English players but I sincerely doubt it is out of bias.

Also, you mention English goalkeepers, but what are they doing now? Wright didn't have the temperament for playing at a top club and Taylor (who I always rated) has hardly set the world alight at Villa.

Bob Wilson was a huge fan of Taylor though, he said thats one of the only things he fell out with Wenger about.

He should of certainly got more chances than Almunia did.

Parks Lives wrote:Bob Wilson was a huge fan of Taylor though, he said thats one of the only things he fell out with Wenger about.

He should of certainly got more chances than Almunia did.

I always thought that Taylor was a good goalkeeper and I was disappointed to see him go. I think its fair to say that Wenger isn't particularly good at spotting keepers because Taylor is easily as good as Almunia. I just think Wenger may have been proved right with Taylor because he has barely played for Villa, and if he can't make it there, then he would struggle to be Arsenal's first choice goalkeeper.

True Wilson was a fan of Taylor and did have an argument with Wenger over his future.

However he is hardly writing golden pages at Villa is he? He can't even dislodge the very average Sorensen.

saintgoingmarching wrote:Lehmann (a dirty cheating bastard who isn't even that good a keeper)

Is that the same Lehmann that got voted by UEFA as the best goalkeeper in the CL last season?

Fair enough you have an opinion, 606 style insults don't go to far.

Cesc-Fab wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Lehmann (a dirty cheating bastard who isn't even that good a keeper)

Is that the same Lehmann that got voted by UEFA as the best goalkeeper in the CL last season?

Fair enough you have an opinion, 606 style insults don't go to far.

Such awards mean the square root of fuck all. That you'd resort to citing an award, rather than actual performances, says it all.


BTW - Lehmann being a dirty cheating bastard was illustrated in the final, when he became the first keeper in CL final history to get sent off. That it was due to bad keeping that he had to resort to fouling to try to stop Barca from scoring only vindicates my point...

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Cesc-Fab wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Lehmann (a dirty cheating bastard who isn't even that good a keeper)

Is that the same Lehmann that got voted by UEFA as the best goalkeeper in the CL last season?

Fair enough you have an opinion, 606 style insults don't go to far.

Such awards mean the square root of fuck all. That you'd resort to citing an award, rather than actual performances, says it all.


BTW - Lehmann being a dirty cheating bastard was illustrated in the final, when he became the first keeper in CL final history to get sent off. That it was due to bad keeping that he had to resort to fouling to try to stop Barca from scoring only vindicates my point...

and you do u kno why he won the award, it was because of his performances in the CL! im sorry but i thought someone with half a brain cell could work that one out!