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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:33 am

    think about it

    Werder Bremen just completely outplayed the mighty AC Milan

    TWICE

    and then kicked them out of the "little" European Cup

    I tell you one thing

    our friend Pierre did NOT see THAT coming Laugh

    and nor did any subscribers of the BIG THREE THEORY lol!

    in fact, statistically, it was almost impossible for Werder to reach the next round

    in Europe, they cannot even beat Famagusta ON THE ROAD, and have been losing for AGES outside their beloved Weserstadion

    if Werder get their act together, they should now be one of the contenders for the UEFA Cup

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    meanwhile, Bayern went to Lissabon and gave the Portuguese one hell of a good German lesson, whereas ALL the other sides in the CL looked somewhat lacklustre

    on paper, Bayern must now be one of THE LEADING CL contenders

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    so

    THIS WEEKEND

    the future UEFA Cup winners will play against the future CL winners

    ONLY IN THE BUNDESLIGA

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    ok, ok, so let's agree that this is THE MATCH of the weekend in Europe

    maybe even OF THE YEAR Ale

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    ironically, Werder fans like chrissi and Bayern supporters like Deisler are unlikely to view this game as a EUropean Heavyweight battle

    the reason is simple

    Bayern are IN CRISIS in the BUndesliga (they are currently 4th, ie out of the CL ranks), and Bremen are 11th ( Yikes ) and therefore only 9 points above the relegation zone

    Yikes

    THE TALK in the German press is whether Werder will be forced to SACK SCHAAF

    THE TALK in the Munich press is, how SAFE Klinsi is in HIS job Yikes

    the three Bayern bosses are SO NERVOUS that none of them wanted to smile after the 5:0 against Lissabon

    BECAUSE

    IF Bayern LOSE against Werder this weekend and HSV WIN against Wolfsburg (I think), the Bavarians are 7 points off the Bundesliga leaders and might as well write off the title here and now Yikes

    Hoeness has described the situation as "5 vor 12" (five to 12; ie if we don't turn the car around NOW, we will drive off the cliff)

    Beckenbauer now starts publicly questioning Klinsi as well saying that , a team that won the double last year and has barely changed since then should not suddenly struggle to qualify for the CL, and YES, the manager BEARS SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILTY

    Yikes

    after the Lissabon game, Klinsi was still sitting at a hotel banquet table together with Breitner, Hoeness, Beckenbauer and Rummenigge until ONE IN THE MORNING (the Munich papers report)

    CRISIS TALKS

    Augenthaler is already waiting in the wings to replace Klinsi Grinsi

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    and here comes the second problem

    Klinsi's AUTHORITY is in tatters

    against Cologne he still banished Poldi to the bench after 45 minutes and brought his lover boy Donovan on, against Lissabon though, Donovan was no longer even part of the squad

    ie, the Bayern bosses spoke a "Machtwort"

    but FAR WORSE

    the team is so FURIOUS with Klinsi's tactical ineptness (Lahm and Klose criticised his harakiri style VIA THE MEDIA) ,

    they have now CUT Klinsi's BALLS OFF and TAKEN OVER Yikes

    prior to the Lissabon game, the players were so dissatisfied with Klinsi (and almost certainly also communicated this to Hoeness and Co) that they MET ALONE, as a SQUAD, WITHOUT the Californian to discuss tactics and team related matters

    Yikes Yikes Yikes

    the result:

    general agreement that the Harakari style was DEAD

    http://www.abendzeitung.de/sport/fc_bayern/89504

    van Bommel then gave interviews AFTER the game saying that "WE had decided on a change of tactics"

    off the record, players confirmed to journalists that the situation could no longer be tolerated and change was needed

    meaning: Klinsi is no longer in charge of tactics (the players are) and he is no longer in charge of squad selection (Hoeness and Co are)

    at the same time, the frictions WITHIN the team are HUGE

    van Buyten was so pissed off with Klinsi's unfairness and dishonesty about NOT picking him for the Sporting game despite having promised to do so , that HE LEASHED OUT AT HIM VIA THE MEDIA AFTER THE GAME

    when Ribery scored, he did NOT celebrate the goal with the TEAM or the managers but with van Buyten and Alintop , who both feel they are not getting a fair chance under Klinsi

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    the game against WErder would end in calamity IF Bayern lost, and Klinsi's head might even roll , if HSV won at the same time

    meanwhile, Bremen will fly on adrenalin , having just elimitated the mighty Milan

    and will still remember the last game against the Bavarians, a few months back in the Allianz Arena

    the fish-eaters from the north humiliated Bayern 5:2

    Laugh

    at home, they tend to be even better

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    also bear in mind that Pizarro and Diego are using these games as job interviews to find new clubs abroad

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    Frings will be on fire because he hates Bayern

    and Klose will be on fire because Bremen fans treated him like SHITE before he left

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    @chaps

    Werder vs Bayern could become THE EUROPEAN GAME OF THE 21st CENTURY

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    think about it Ale
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:39 am

    Great post Otto. Smiley
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:57 am

    Grand Slam weekend, Bundesliga style Razz
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:19 pm

    Ismael, the ex-Werder/Bayern player, thinks Diego's "privileges" fucked up Bremen

    http://www.sportbild.de//de/sportbild/generated/article/fussball/2009/02/27/11830500000.html

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    the good news is

    Diego dazzled against Milan and ALL of Italy was watching

    the good boy is VERY likely to join Seria A anyway, with Juve heading the chase

    his price will only go up TREMENDOUSLY after games like the one yesterday

    Allofs now HAS to sell the selfish Brazilian this summer

    and could easily rebuild the team with the transfer fee Ale
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    Post by Puro Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:03 pm

    It would be a surprise for me if neither Bremen nor Hamburg reach the UEFA Cup Final. For Bayern to reach the CL Final will take a minor miracle.

    So Otto, what's the mood really like in Germany after the "Miracle in Milan"? We Peruvians are really happy for you Germans, your league, your teams, after these have been ridiculed by fans from the big three leagues. Yes, I will watch Bremen-Bayern. Some game eh! Biggrin <Ale>
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:38 pm

    well

    everybody is celebrating the Miracle of Milan cheers

    but the truth is

    BOTH clubs are still VERY nervous about the game on Sunday

    Bayern burned their fingers when Bremen clobbered them to death 5:2 in the Allianz Arena

    incidentally, it was Borowski, the ex-Bremer who saved Bavarian face by hitting the net twice

    so, revenge is on the cards

    BUT

    the Bayern players KNOW that a loss in Bremen would trigger more than merely a customary "hochroter Kopf" by Hoeness

    the thing now is, the Bayern players will try to implement their NEW (non-Klinsi) tactic and be MORE DEFENSIVE

    BUT

    they NEED to WIN as well

    also bear in mind that MANY players now want Klinsi to FAIL

    certainly van Buyten, Alintop, Poldi and other benchwarmers

    but also players like van Bommel, Rensing and one or two others

    Klose and Lahm know that if Klinsi gets his way they will NEVER win anything

    the majority of these lads would now be happy to see Klinsi go

    at the same time the Bayern players watched the Milan game and will have HUGE respect for Bremen whereas the north German will have watched the Lissabon game and pray that the same fate does not await them

    it's either gonna be cagey or complete MAYHEM

    @puro

    I tell you something

    Pizarro is a hell of a brilliant player

    not only prolific but also scores sensational goals that require insane skill

    it's a pity that he wants to play in the CL

    ie

    will probably leave Bremen

    what a dickhead Mourinho was for not playing him Yikes Laugh

    and yes

    the Bundesliga is slowly clawing back some of its former prestige

    the rest of the world is now terrified of playing a German-Peruvian side

    think about it

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    Post by Lesley Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:55 pm

    Werder vs Bayern: Game for control of Europe ?

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    Yeah, right.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:00 pm

    lol!

    the whole world will be watching this game
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:18 pm

    despite the 5:0 the German press is SCATHING about Klinsi

    http://www.zeit.de/online/2009/10/klinsmann-champions-league-lissabon-van-buyten-ribery-hoeness

    slightly out of context, but hilarious nonetheless

    Gegen Klinsmann spricht auch, dass ein unzufriedener Ersatzspieler einen Tag nach einem 5:0 den Mut hat, seinen Ärger auszudrücken:

    "Es ist, als würde ich gegen eine Wand laufen", klagt Daniel van Buyten, "ich habe keine Ahnung, wie lange ich das noch durchhalte."

    Daraufhin habe Klinsmann, dafür verbürgt sich die Berliner Zeitung, nicht mal ironisch gesagt: "Wie er mit der Situation umgeht, das ist erstklassig."

    lol!

    incidentally

    Hertha Berlin have so few fans that they now reverted to a new marketing idea

    "buy two tickets, get one free"

    Laugh

    only in Germany

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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:04 pm

    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:

    Hertha Berlin have so few fans that they now reverted to a new marketing idea

    "buy two tickets, get one free"

    Laugh


    Oh, yet another desperate move. And the idiots at Hertha seriously wonder why the club's image is poor and brand identity so weak. Doh

    A few years ago they sold tickets at LIDL for €7,77 (main stand). lol! Wasn't exactly successful and season ticket holders got fairly disgruntled by it as well. The same will happen now.

    Our Dieterchen will never learn!
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    Post by COTR Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:44 pm

    Bremen


    The team who could not qualify from the worst CL group


    Yeah they are wonderful Otto Laughing
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    Post by chrissicross Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:55 pm

    Some comments from the Bayern MB, seems most of them are not overly confident about this game...

    in Bremen wird gewonnen. In Bremen muß gewonnen werden.
    Darum wird in Bremen gewonnen. Und zu diesem Zeitpunkt, wo die Mannschaft wieder kämpferisch überzeugen muß ist Bremen der ideale Gegner. Bei denen läuft es noch viel schlechter. Vor der Winterpause war alles im grünen Bereich.

    ach von den 2 Fehlentscheidungen will ich gar nicht reden bzw. schreiben
    gerade deshalb muss jetzt was kommen, so nach dem Motto das schaffen wir auch ohne Schiri
    nein im Ernst, HH war bitter und Köln auch ärgerlich aber da muss von so einer Truppe mehr kommen!!!
    Mittwoch ein gutes Ergebniss in Portugal und dann Start einer Serie gegen den Erzfeind aus Bremen

    donnerdaumen, dein vorstellung ist schön und gut, aber in bremen wird es verdammt schwer zu gewinnen. hast du die letzten spiele von bremen gesehen? die hatten jedes spiel massig torchancen, die sie aber stümperhaft vergeben haben. ich kann mir durchaus vorstellen, dass dieser knoten gerade gegen uns platzen könnte. außerdem wissen die speieler, dass sie gerade mit einem sieg gegen uns einiges wieder gut machen könnten, um aus dem selbstvertrauen heraus eine serie zu starten. wenn unsere nicht mal bald die individuellen fehler einstellen und nicht das kämpfen und laufen beginnen, sehe ich schwarz für sonntag. außerdem MUSS die taktische grundeinstellung defensiver aussehen! mit einer so verunsicherten mannschaft darf man bremen nicht in's offener messer laufen. ansonsten endet dies in einem debakel.


    Mein Tipp:
    Werder - Bayern 5:0
    Klinsmann muß weg, erst dann geht es wieder bergauf mit unserem FC Bayern!
    Klinsmann raus!


    Werder wird diesen Sieg brauchen und auch einfahren, leider

    hoffen wirs
    irgendwann muss das Ruder ja mal wieder herumgerissen werden, warum nicht jetzt, wo die englischen Wochen vor der Tür stehen?


    Das kann ein Interessanter sonntag werden . . .
    Einer der beiden siegt und schafft einen befreiungsschlag . . .
    Oder wir sehen ein Weltklasse 0:0 ( GÄHN )
    Ich bin vor Ort und hoffe auf einen Auswärtssieg . . . .


    Es ist schon bekannt, dass Bremen diese Saison gegen die vermeintlichen Titelanwärter stets groß aufgespielt hat, oder? Nur gegen die vermeintlich schwachen Mannschaften wurden Niederlagen eingesteckt und Punkte hergegeben ... ich denke, dass wir ziemlich einen aufn Sack bekommen, wenn wir uns nicht um 180°Grad drehen ...


    Lisabon wird gut, dafür Klatsche in Bremen
    Ich teile den Pessimismus meiner Vorschreiber bezüglich des Lisabon Spieles nicht. Wir haben es hier schließlich mit einer durch und durch eitlen Truppe zu tun.
    International wird man versuchen sich entsprechend gut zu präsentieren, denn das hebt den eigenen Marktwert. Ich kann mir gut vorstellen das der FCB dort 3 Punkte holt.
    Mit diesem Sieg im Nacken wird man wieder das Köln Spiel zu einem einmaligen Ausrutsche degradieren und damit die vorhandenen systematischen Probleme im Team wegreden. Dafür gibt es dann in Bremen wieder ordentlich auf's Maul.
    Platz 5 und auf dem besten Weg aus den internationalen Rängen raus ist meine Erwartung für den 22. Spieltag. Leverkusen wird in Hannover nicht verlieren. Wolfsburg wird allerdings auch in Hamburg keinen dreier holen.
    Damit "nur" einen Tabellenplatz nach unten - wenn alles schief geht dann auch zwei.

    Gegen Bremen haben wir meist nicht besonders gut ausgesehen. Nachdem jetzt anscheinend auch bei Werder der Knoten geplatzt ist, wird das ein ganz ganz schweres Spiel für uns. Ich tippe leider auf eine knappe Münchner Niederlage. Die Wende wird wohl erst gegen Leverkusen eingeleitet.


    Ich denke und hoffe sehr stark dass wir gewinnen werden. Dadurch dass Werder gestern einen harten Kampf hatte und einen Tag weniger zwischen beiden Spielen, tippe ich auf körperliche Vorteile und mehr Frische bei uns.

    2:0 oder 3:1 daher mein Tipp. Tore von unseren Stürmern Klose und Toni.

    Ich freue mich zumindest riesig darauf....

    das wird ein dramtisches spiel!
    bremen ballert sich gegen milan aus der krise, wir gegen sporting.

    besser hätte man das drehbuch nicht schreiben können!
    wir müssen unbedingt gewinnen!


    Ich erwarte einen weiteren Arroganz-Anfall, zumal Bremen aktuell - laut Tabelle und Form - nicht auf Augenhöhe scheint. Die werden sich den Arsch aufreißen, die Unseren nur gemütlich über den Platz traben. Läuft alles perfekt, kann man gewinnen, läuft es normal, wird man verlieren


    Das Spiel gg. Milan hat gezeigt, zu was Werder immer in der Lage ist, gerade gegen Topteams.
    Mich hat die Leistung jedenfalls in so fern beeindruckt, dass Bremen auch nach dem 2:2 weiter versucht hat, nach vorne zu spielen, zu dominieren.

    Gg. uns werden die Bremer auch sehr motiviert zu Werk gehen. Es wird spannend, ich hoffe natürlich auf einen Auswärtssieg, habe 1:3 getippt, wird aber wohl eng.


    Vielleicht ist das Ergebnis der letzte Mosaikstein, der noch fehlt, dass unsere Mannschaft hellwach ist. Wer Milan raushaut wird von Bayern sicher nicht unterschätzt


    es wird seeeeeeeehr schwer. bremen ist 150% motiviert und ich hab jetzt wieder angst das wir ne reaktion wie nach dem Hamburg spiel setzen (Hochmut kommt vor de Fall!). aber abwarten, vielleicht haben se ja daraus auch gelernt! es wird aufjedenfall sehr eng, es ist wirklich alles drin!
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    Post by chrissicross Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:02 pm

    Two (not necessarily representative Wink ) comments from the Bremen MB:

    Haben die Bajuffen überhaupt eine Chance?

    2:0 für uns.

    Hoffentlich können wir wenigstens den Bayern die Meisterschaft versauen. Das würde mich sehr sehr freuen. Im übrigen hoffe ich, daß alle Bayern-Spieler von wilden Giraffen zerfleischt werden.

    and one comment from a HSV fans last night:

    ok Glückwünsche aus Hamburg.

    Dann habt ihr jetzt ja den Aufwind den ihr braucht um am Sonntag Klinsi arbeitslos zu machen Biggrin
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    Post by Lesley Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:22 pm

    Wehe, ihr macht Klinsi arbeitslos! Dann ist doch der ganze Spaß vorbei. Yikes
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    Post by chrissicross Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:25 pm

    Aber die 7 Punkte Vorsprung vor Bayern dürfen es schon sein, oder? Wink
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    Post by Kroos Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:26 pm

    has anyone a link from game against milan?
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    Post by robert Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:38 pm

    http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124779

    http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124708

    Might need to make an account to view the threads
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    Post by Lesley Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:45 pm

    chrissicross wrote:Aber die 7 Punkte Vorsprung vor Bayern dürfen es schon sein, oder? Wink

    Ich bin gerade so schrecklich hin-und-hergerissen....Klinsi weiterhin in München....grösserer Abstand zu Bayern....Klinsi weiterhin in München....grösserer Abstand zu Bayern....

    ....boah nee, Qual der Wahl. Können wir nicht beides haben? Sad
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:36 am

    So Bundisliga>>>Rest Of Europe cheers
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:43 am

    Lesley wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:Aber die 7 Punkte Vorsprung vor Bayern dürfen es schon sein, oder? Wink

    Ich bin gerade so schrecklich hin-und-hergerissen....Klinsi weiterhin in München....grösserer Abstand zu Bayern....Klinsi weiterhin in München....grösserer Abstand zu Bayern....

    ....boah nee, Qual der Wahl. Können wir nicht beides haben? Sad
    Aber das sind ja gleich zwei Wünsche auf einmal. Das geht nun wirklich nicht... Wink
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    Post by Kroos Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:56 am

    i think bayern will lose
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:48 am

    HAHA , HILARIOUS

    Bayern issued an OFFICAL press release saying that Klinsi Grinsi had been PRESENT AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING of the TEAM

    Laugh

    Klose and van Bommel were told to tell the journalists that Klinsi was still the boss, effectively, and no decision had been taken against his will

    lol!

    is anybody reminded of the situation back in 2006, when our defence was all over the place (still after the Costa Rica game) and the defenders met to discuss how to solve it, and Merte, Metze, Lahm, Lehmann... discovered that they all had a completely different idea how to interpret the "back-4-zonal-defence"?

    after a good discussion they agreed on ONE way to play the back-four and told journalists about it

    Löw, now realising that his authority was undermined, immediately went to the press and said he had been present at these discussions as well and the new approach was agreed upon by everybody

    Laugh

    and they say, history never repeats itself lol!

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    anyway, Klinsi is now mentioned as a possible manager of ManCity and tells our journalists, that he feels honoured but is still committed to Bayern

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    if today goes wrong , Klinsi could leave Säbener STrasse with a box of his belongings on Monday

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    I hope Bremen don't choke today

    then again, IF Bayern lose today and Klinsi gets sacked, somebody else will take over and Bayern will almost certainly still win the league title, which makes the remainder of the season boring and will prevent HSV or Berlin from winning a long awaited Saladbowl Yikes

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    holy christ

    BREMEN is THE PLACE TO BE for a global football fan

    TODAY


    I bet you can cut the atmosphere in the Böttchergasse with a knife, eh, chrissi ?

    @chrissi

    promise us your boys will NOT let us down

    you are doing this for all of Germany

    lol!
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:33 am

    Toni, apparently, will not play today

    this should set Klose free

    then again, Poldi has ZERO match fitness after Klinsi decided to throw him out of the squad for no reason whatsoever

    meaning

    Bayern will effectively play with 10 men
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:16 pm

    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:
    I bet you can cut the atmosphere in the Böttchergasse with a knife, eh, chrissi ?

    @chrissi

    promise us your boys will NOT let us down

    you are doing this for all of Germany

    lol!
    I think the atmosphere is more relaxed this time. The unpleasent events with regard to Klose are further away meanwhile, and the Bundesliga season is more or less over for us anyway, so the result today isn´t that important for Bremen.

    Today for us it's more about prestige and about getting self confindence with regard to the important upcoming Cup games.

    After the Milan game the Bremen fans are really looking forward to this game, optimistic, but with less pressure and therefore more relaxed than many a time before.

    However, I can´t promise you something, more than ever Bremen 2009 is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get... Wink
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    Post by Lesley Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:44 pm

    chrissicross wrote:
    Lesley wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:Aber die 7 Punkte Vorsprung vor Bayern dürfen es schon sein, oder? Wink

    Ich bin gerade so schrecklich hin-und-hergerissen....Klinsi weiterhin in München....grösserer Abstand zu Bayern....Klinsi weiterhin in München....grösserer Abstand zu Bayern....

    ....boah nee, Qual der Wahl. Können wir nicht beides haben? Sad
    Aber das sind ja gleich zwei Wünsche auf einmal. Das geht nun wirklich nicht... Wink

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    Post by Effenberg Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:20 pm

    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:
    then again, Poldi has ZERO match fitness after Klinsi decided to throw him out of the squad for no reason whatsoever

    meaning

    Bayern will effectively play with 10 men

    Sounds like a pre-emptive excuse to me. Let's not forget that he did play against Cologne but was taken off because he was a waste of space and nothing else.
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    Post by Guest Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:10 pm

    very exciting game so far, rensing with a good save and some bayern player with a bad miss.
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    Post by Effenberg Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:12 pm

    Messiah wrote:very exciting game so far, rensing with a good save and some bayern player with a bad miss.

    That was Altintop wasting a perfect through pass by Ze Roberto.
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    Post by Guest Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:18 pm

    Red for naldo.
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    Post by Effenberg Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:19 pm

    Straight red for Naldo. Tough, but he was the last defender.

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