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FC Barcelona Thread - *Campeones de España y de Europa 2009*
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He is scoring goals, so its covering up is shittiness right now and he isnt bitching about every little thing anymore and just doing his job.
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its 3 goals Kas
1 away
2 in the camp nou
1 away
2 in the camp nou
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Left/Center for iniesta
http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2009/03/iniesta-left-or-center.html
Ramzi give his views
http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2009/03/iniesta-left-or-center.html
Ramzi give his views
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i agree with him that the team plays best with iniesta on the left and one of Busquets/Kieta in the midfield, but you can drop henry when he is in form like this.
But i wonder what Pep would do if we drew a Bayern/a english team in the CL, would he go with the two Dmeds and leave out henry/iniesta, and which one would he bench if thats the case.
I would play henry against the english he would be really pumped up for it
--Henry---Messi--eto'o
and iniesta against bayern
Iniesta--Eto'o--Messi
But i wonder what Pep would do if we drew a Bayern/a english team in the CL, would he go with the two Dmeds and leave out henry/iniesta, and which one would he bench if thats the case.
I would play henry against the english he would be really pumped up for it
--Henry---Messi--eto'o
and iniesta against bayern
Iniesta--Eto'o--Messi
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I think his bitching isn't needed anymore because the media isn't focusing on him so much. Still think he doesn't alot to Barca except for the poachers ability. Iniesta should used to keep the ball but his problem is of course he doesn't get alot of goals. But you could argue with Eto-Messi that isn't needed.Messiah wrote:He is scoring goals, so its covering up is shittiness right now and he isnt bitching about every little thing anymore and just doing his job.
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Super Madrid wrote:I think his bitching isn't needed anymore because the media isn't focusing on him so much. Still think he doesn't alot to Barca except for the poachers ability. Iniesta should used to keep the ball but his problem is of course he doesn't get alot of goals. But you could argue with Eto-Messi that isn't needed.Messiah wrote:He is scoring goals, so its covering up is shittiness right now and he isnt bitching about every little thing anymore and just doing his job.
Er the last time I checked only Messi , Xavi, Alves have have had more assists than him, is that not adding anything?
Just posted something similar on the Arsenal thread, I think Barca need a defender that is good on the ball, fast and dominant in the air. You are the highest scoring team in Europe, but u give away cheap goals more than most around. That should be rectified, and it's where the focus should be. Your defending, especially on set pieces suck.
Any team that's serious of competing on all fronts should have atleast 3 regular goal scorers in it. Chances are your two main goalscorers will go through a unproductive phase infront of goal, that's when the 3rd goal scorer comes in. Last season we struggled for goals when Cesc stopped scoring and Ade's form dipped and we ended up drawing a lot of games. I remember seasons back, Freddie Ljunberg was the one that kept us in the title race when our forward's form dipped.
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We have the goalscorers - Etoo, Messi, Henry, and IMO even Bojan can be relied on if he's given starts. Won't be as prolific as the first 3, but will do a job.
I agree about your point on the defense...too many stupid goals being lost because of individual mistakes or lapses in concentration. Problem is the kind of defender you describe is very hard to find. I can't think of anyone who fulfills all those criteria tbh, except the likes of Ferdinand. I still think Milito will be a better defender for us than Marquez, simply because he can defend. There's plenty of passers in the team, and when Puyol is around he's not half-bad on the ball so he can take care of that role.
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@Messiah:
In fact, I would play Iniesta on the left against the English teams. Firstly, they know all about Henry and will be able to nullify him - compared to that, Iniesta and Messi are two dribblers on both flanks that they will have never handled before, and both really have the ability to unsettle the balance of their defensive setups. The only problem is we lose Henry's goals - because when he gets into a goalscoring position he will score, whereas Iniesta will miss.
Second, having Iniesta-Xavi as a midfield leaves us more vulnerable to the counter than if we have Busquets/Keita as the 3rd midfielder. And that is much more dangerous against the English teams.
And on the other hand, Bayern are less defensively solid and play a style that makes it an end-to-end game. So in that case having Iniesta-Xavi is ok because we can keep possession and really hurt them on our own counters.
I agree about your point on the defense...too many stupid goals being lost because of individual mistakes or lapses in concentration. Problem is the kind of defender you describe is very hard to find. I can't think of anyone who fulfills all those criteria tbh, except the likes of Ferdinand. I still think Milito will be a better defender for us than Marquez, simply because he can defend. There's plenty of passers in the team, and when Puyol is around he's not half-bad on the ball so he can take care of that role.
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@Messiah:
In fact, I would play Iniesta on the left against the English teams. Firstly, they know all about Henry and will be able to nullify him - compared to that, Iniesta and Messi are two dribblers on both flanks that they will have never handled before, and both really have the ability to unsettle the balance of their defensive setups. The only problem is we lose Henry's goals - because when he gets into a goalscoring position he will score, whereas Iniesta will miss.
Second, having Iniesta-Xavi as a midfield leaves us more vulnerable to the counter than if we have Busquets/Keita as the 3rd midfielder. And that is much more dangerous against the English teams.
And on the other hand, Bayern are less defensively solid and play a style that makes it an end-to-end game. So in that case having Iniesta-Xavi is ok because we can keep possession and really hurt them on our own counters.
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kas wrote:We have the goalscorers - Etoo, Messi, Henry, and IMO even Bojan can be relied on if he's given starts. Won't be as prolific as the first 3, but will do a job.
I agree about your point on the defense...too many stupid goals being lost because of individual mistakes or lapses in concentration. Problem is the kind of defender you describe is very hard to find. I can't think of anyone who fulfills all those criteria tbh, except the likes of Ferdinand. I still think Milito will be a better defender for us than Marquez, simply because he can defend. There's plenty of passers in the team, and when Puyol is around he's not half-bad on the ball so he can take care of that role.
Pepe!
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Yeah he's a good player...with a stable coach. ie. a proper defensive system in place, and a better partner near him he'd be excellent. Keeps switching between really good and really bad performances though, but that may be just down to age - he's still only 25 which is young for a CB.
30 million though
30 million though
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kas wrote:Yeah he's a good player...with a stable coach. ie. a proper defensive system in place, and a better partner near him he'd be excellent. Keeps switching between really good and really bad performances though, but that may be just down to age - he's still only 25 which is young for a CB.
30 million though
He's definitely still maturing but he has all the right characteristics. I don't think he's had that many "really" bad performances. Anfield is one to forget but other than that he's not had too many "Martin Caceres" days. Will be the best defender in the world in a couple of years.
Still...don't remind me of the price.
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Our defense will improve, once the players start to concentrate like they did in the december to remember run of games, and alves will have to time he runs better because teams are taking advantage of the amount of space he leaves behind and marquez doesn't have the pace to over for him.
Milito isnt training with the squad anymore so it seem more and more likely that he will miss the entire season or play just 3/4 games at the end.
Milito isnt training with the squad anymore so it seem more and more likely that he will miss the entire season or play just 3/4 games at the end.
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Dont let Bobo Vieri hear your comments Kas.
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About Ferdinand? Well, Bobo and I will just have to disagree about him. He does make the occasional slip-up due to poor concentration, but in terms of most of his attributes he's right up there with the top central defenders in the world.
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Zhirkov se aleja del Barça
Rusia no se acaba en la fantasía de Arshavin, los goles de Pavlyuchenko o las paradas de Akinfeev. Guus Hiddink tiene en la banda izquierda una suerte de locomotora llamada Yuri Zhirkov que posee a partes iguales potencia y exquisitez, rapidez y clase. Incorporado al CSKA desde el Spartak Tambov hace cinco años por Valery Gazzaev y conocido como ‘Ronaldinho ruso’, Zhirkov es un volante ofensivo tan peligroso como se convierte si es menester en infranqueable lateral. Y el entrenador holandés considera que es la pieza mágica que le falta al Chelsea.
Puede que Hiddink no siga al frente de los blues el próximo curso, pero su ascendente sobre Abramovich está fuera de toda duda desde el momento que aceptó el cargo para sustituir a Scolari y el dueño del club inglés tiene plena confianza en sus consejos. El último de ellos es incorporar a Zhirkov el próximo verano, labor para la cual el multimillonario mandatario estaría ya trabajando.
El CSKA debutará el domingo en Ramenskoe ante el Saturn y Zico, obviamente, contará con su zurdo de oro. Pero aunque, a sus 25 años, tiene contrato hasta 2011 con el club moscovita, su marcha en junio poco menos que se da por hecha. Y el destino, si nadie lo impide, parece que será el estadio de Stamford Bridge.
http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=594567&idseccio_PK=806
Rusia no se acaba en la fantasía de Arshavin, los goles de Pavlyuchenko o las paradas de Akinfeev. Guus Hiddink tiene en la banda izquierda una suerte de locomotora llamada Yuri Zhirkov que posee a partes iguales potencia y exquisitez, rapidez y clase. Incorporado al CSKA desde el Spartak Tambov hace cinco años por Valery Gazzaev y conocido como ‘Ronaldinho ruso’, Zhirkov es un volante ofensivo tan peligroso como se convierte si es menester en infranqueable lateral. Y el entrenador holandés considera que es la pieza mágica que le falta al Chelsea.
Puede que Hiddink no siga al frente de los blues el próximo curso, pero su ascendente sobre Abramovich está fuera de toda duda desde el momento que aceptó el cargo para sustituir a Scolari y el dueño del club inglés tiene plena confianza en sus consejos. El último de ellos es incorporar a Zhirkov el próximo verano, labor para la cual el multimillonario mandatario estaría ya trabajando.
El CSKA debutará el domingo en Ramenskoe ante el Saturn y Zico, obviamente, contará con su zurdo de oro. Pero aunque, a sus 25 años, tiene contrato hasta 2011 con el club moscovita, su marcha en junio poco menos que se da por hecha. Y el destino, si nadie lo impide, parece que será el estadio de Stamford Bridge.
http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=594567&idseccio_PK=806
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That's fine, I'm not totally convinced he's the option we need at LB. No point getting involved in a bidding war.
It will be interesting to see what Txiki/Pep are planning for this position. They may even ask Sylvinho to stay on another year because I really can't think of good options (not too expensive and willing to spend time on the bench). Plus there's the whole Henrique/Caceres situation to sort out.
It will be interesting to see what Txiki/Pep are planning for this position. They may even ask Sylvinho to stay on another year because I really can't think of good options (not too expensive and willing to spend time on the bench). Plus there's the whole Henrique/Caceres situation to sort out.
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Messiah will be disappointed though.
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@Messiah: don't get too downhearted about this mate, I've learned the hard way that it's not worth really hoping that someone you like ends up signing. It always ends in tears:
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Sometimes they end in tears for the rest of us as well.
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fucking Chelski.
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Dos santos to Ipswich
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5047033,00.html
zahavi has really fucked up the kids career, i know he isnt ever going to be WC, but he has the talant to make at at a top 6-8 club in one of the big league.
I hope Gai and JSD learn from his mistake and drop zahavi has there agent
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5047033,00.html
zahavi has really fucked up the kids career, i know he isnt ever going to be WC, but he has the talant to make at at a top 6-8 club in one of the big league.
I hope Gai and JSD learn from his mistake and drop zahavi has there agent
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This is what i was talking about in the madrid trend the other day, luis seems to be very flexible with his tactics and it isnt 4-3-3 or nothing else like rijkaard and pep
Luis Enrique tried last weekend against Alcoyano succesfully a different tacical system than the normal one. Barça Atlètic defeated the leader with an unusual 4-4-2 that satisfied the Austrian coach.
The normal system used by the teams of Barcelona's youth academy, as well as by the team of Luis Enrique is the same as the one of the first team: the 4-3-3 that the club has made its own over the last decades. This tactical system was first used by Johan Cruijff in the 1993-1994 season as an alternative for the classic 3-4-3. Since then, coaches like Van Gaal, Rijkaard or Guardiola have used it in the majority of the games.
It's a starting line-up that allows you to have an ideal positioning of the players on the pitch when you want to dominate the game, have ball possession and attack during most part of the match. Luis Enrique, the coach of Barcelona Atlètic, has naturally taken up this ideological and tactical legacy and from his first game he used this 4-3-3. The Asturian coach nevertheless understands that there aren't dogmas and that every football view should be flexible. That's why, starting from the basic system, Luis Enrique has tried two alternatives.
When the team needed to take risks and attack, he used a 3-4-3, a system that became famous because of being the system used by the "Dream Team". You give up one defender but you strengthen the midfield. But there are other types of games, in which the technical staff of the second team prefers to have more people in midfield given the conditions of the pitch and the opponent. That was the case last Saturday in Alcoy, where Barça Atlètic played with an unusual 4-4-2.
Apart from the four defenders and the three natural midfielders, the tactical change consisted of pulling back Jeffren from his position as right winger to the position of attacking midfielder in front of the three other midfielders. This left two players up front, Maric and Benja, who played together for the first time. On a small pitch and with an opponent who played very directly, the tactical plan of the second team proved to be very effective since the players of Luis Enrique didn't have to play with an inferiority in midfield and could take advantage of the weak points of the opponent's defense with two classic centre forwards like Beja and Maric.
At the press conference after the game, Luis Enrique explained the reasons for the tactical change of his team: "Our normal system is 4-3-3, and we even play 3-4-3 sometimes, but we can also play 4-4-2 or other systems. It's necessary to adapt to the circumstances of the pitch, the opponent and your won playing style. I like the idea that the other coach doesn't know how we will play. We can use different systems and be as effective."
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The list
Valdés, Pinto,
Alves, Piqué, Márquez, Cáceres, Sylvinho,
Xavi, Víctor Sánchez, Touré, Busquets, Keita, Gudjohnsen, Iniesta,
Messi, Eto'o, Bojan, Henry, Hleb
One player will be dropped for the game.
I think its between Busquets/Kieta/Guddy
Valdés, Pinto,
Alves, Piqué, Márquez, Cáceres, Sylvinho,
Xavi, Víctor Sánchez, Touré, Busquets, Keita, Gudjohnsen, Iniesta,
Messi, Eto'o, Bojan, Henry, Hleb
One player will be dropped for the game.
I think its between Busquets/Kieta/Guddy
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Ehh Victor Sanchez more like.
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Juvenil B Champion's!!!!!!!!!!
Carlos, Escribano, Balliu, Rossell, Gustavo, Martí, Brian (Luis
López, min. 75), Palau, Jonathan (Espinosa min. 86), Sergi Roberto, Reina (Patri, min.70).
0-1 Sergi Roberto, min. 38
1-2 Jonathan, min. 69
1-3 Sergi Roberto, min. 87
http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/castellano/noticies/futbol_base/temporada08-09/03/n090314107607.html
Carlos, Escribano, Balliu, Rossell, Gustavo, Martí, Brian (Luis
López, min. 75), Palau, Jonathan (Espinosa min. 86), Sergi Roberto, Reina (Patri, min.70).
0-1 Sergi Roberto, min. 38
1-2 Jonathan, min. 69
1-3 Sergi Roberto, min. 87
http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/castellano/noticies/futbol_base/temporada08-09/03/n090314107607.html
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Juvenil A, beat Espanyol to go 6 points clear on the back of a Rochina Hat-Trick
(don't go the way of your stupid brother)
Marc Martínez, Montoya, Marc Bartra, Álex Bolaños, Carles Planas,
Oriol, Gerard, Jonathan, Rochina, Polaco, Carmona
1-0 Rochina, min. 18
2-0 Rochina (p), min. 56
3-2 Rochina, min. 77
former barca boy Chuli scored one of espanyol's goals
(don't go the way of your stupid brother)
Marc Martínez, Montoya, Marc Bartra, Álex Bolaños, Carles Planas,
Oriol, Gerard, Jonathan, Rochina, Polaco, Carmona
1-0 Rochina, min. 18
2-0 Rochina (p), min. 56
3-2 Rochina, min. 77
former barca boy Chuli scored one of espanyol's goals
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According to sport, pep will be rotating the squad for today's game, with 2 of the front 3 being rested as well as slyvinho.
This is what i want to see
--------------VV
alves----Marquez--Pique--Caceres
---------------Yaya
----------Xavi--------Kieta
--Bojan-----Eto'o----Iniesta
This is what i want to see
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alves----Marquez--Pique--Caceres
---------------Yaya
----------Xavi--------Kieta
--Bojan-----Eto'o----Iniesta
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Yeah no problem, we should still win. could even throw in Keita for Hleb, but that will probably fill the team with too many small people who don't make runs into the box.
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was thinking the same thing but decided against it for the same reason.
But pep needs to give helb and bojan more minutes to boost their confidence going into the final leg of the season, because the games will be coming thick and fast and we will need to know we can trust these players when called upon.
Caceres needs to start showing the form that had barca,real,arsenal and juve all trailing him.
But pep needs to give helb and bojan more minutes to boost their confidence going into the final leg of the season, because the games will be coming thick and fast and we will need to know we can trust these players when called upon.
Caceres needs to start showing the form that had barca,real,arsenal and juve all trailing him.
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Barca Atlètic, win again and another clean sheet, new boy benja continues to score.
Barça Atlètic, 2
Eivissa,0
Goles: 1-0. Benja (min 64), 2-0. Benja (min 76)
Barça Atlètic: Miño, Córcoles, Joni López, Fontàs, Botia, Xavi Torres, Pedro (Rayo
45’), Longás, Benja, Thiago (Abraham, 45’) i Jeffren (Nolito, 32’).
Barça Atlètic, 2
Eivissa,0
Goles: 1-0. Benja (min 64), 2-0. Benja (min 76)
Barça Atlètic: Miño, Córcoles, Joni López, Fontàs, Botia, Xavi Torres, Pedro (Rayo
45’), Longás, Benja, Thiago (Abraham, 45’) i Jeffren (Nolito, 32’).
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Who's Benja, a kid or some 23 year old we bought from elsewhere?
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