Managers on the up in your league

Some managers are already at the top of the game whereas others just aren't very good.

Which managers are on the up in your league though? i.e. which managers could you one day see managing a real world class team?

In the EPL, the obvious choice is Martin O'Neill. Whilst its fair to say that Celtic and Aston Villa aren't exactly small fry, IMO he could walk into a position at any club in the world and do a more than adequate job.

Another name whose been around for a bit is David Moyes - but his style of football probably wouldn't go down too well at most top league clubs.

The revelation of the season in the EPL though surely has to be Zola. Its not just that his team have been doing well - its that they've been playing some of the best and most exciting football in the league to achieve it. If hiddink does indeed leave Chelsea in the summer I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Zola the favourite to replace him. He's done a hell of a lot better than I would have expected Mancini to do.

Brown at Hull is another manager that deserves a mention but inly passinlgy as despuite the great start they've made, they've been on a disastrous run of results and you have to think that a manager with top class potential would have prevented that run.

Bruce

How could I forget Bruce!

The master of the Central American transfer market

Far and away the best manager to come from under the tutelage of SAF.

as i think gabrielle marcotti wrote on a blog, There is no manager on the up in the prem, as they aren't given a chance at the big clubs and their is only so much you can do at a everton.

The likes of moyes and big sam would have been given a chance at one of big clubs in italy or spain already.

In spain its Pep,Emery and Jeminez.


all of whom had little to no experience coaching at the top level, but where still given a chance.

Maybe tapia, he is doing great things at malaga.

@ Tweedle

If Wenger decided to call it quits in the summer, would you take O'Neill or Moyes?

I'd consider O'Neill mainly as he has more experience managing a bigger club with Celtic. Not sure about Moyes though.

Messiah wrote:as i think gabrielle marcotti wrote on a blog, There is no manager on the up in the prem, as they aren't given a chance at the big clubs and their is only so much you can do at a everton.

The likes of moyes and big sam would have been given a chance at one of big clubs in italy or spain already.

It's a bit more difficult in the premier league when for the last 10 years Fergie and Wenger have been pretty much immovable.

Although he is not in the EPL, I think Roberto Martinez would be worth a mention. Four years ago Swansea were in League Two now they are a good Championship outfit. Even though it was Kenny Jackett who got them promoted to League One, Martinez has taken the club on further into the Championship by playing enterprising football instead of bullyboy tactics. Swansea have a much bigger stadium now, but I don't think they run on quite the same resources as other more established Championship clubs, so he has had to be shrewd in the transfer window, Jason Scotland (£25k) being a prime example.

He has only been a manager for a little over two years, but I would say that he has a very promising career ahead of him.

Gasperini, Zenga, & Allegri are "on the up" in Serie A

Managers don't stick around long enough to be "on the up", they're usually "on...the way out"!

Cesc Soler wrote:Although he is not in the EPL, I think Roberto Martinez would be worth a mention. Four years ago Swansea were in League Two now they are a good Championship outfit. Even though it was Kenny Jackett who got them promoted to League One

if i could find the article i would post it, he was basically saying managers in england like moyes, can only be on the up for so long, before they need to make the step up, but aren't being given the chance and end up stuck in mid table mediocrity.

and used managers like emery,pep and Mancini, as examples of mangers who are really on their way to replacing the current crop of great managers.

Messiah wrote:as i think gabrielle marcotti wrote on a blog, There is no manager on the up in the prem, as they aren't given a chance at the big clubs and their is only so much you can do at a everton.

The likes of moyes and big sam would have been given a chance at one of big clubs in italy or spain already.

If any of our managers actually did anything in Europe while in the domestic league they'd get recognition at the bigger clubs.

Just take a look at the European record of managers in plum jobs in the EPL's top 5. Ferguson had won a Cup Winners Cup, Benitez had won the UEFA Cup, Martin O'Neil has been a UEFA Cup finalist, Wenger was a Cup Winners Cup runner up and Mourinho was a UEFA Cup winner. Benitez aside, those clubs are no more well resourced than some of the mid tier EPL clubs theoretically could be.

All of the hyped mid tier EPL managers have a weak European CV, no that's giving them too much credit, most of them have an awful domestic Cup CV to boot. Redknapp won his first domestic cup trophy as a manager last season for instance...

The one domestic manager who did actually landed one of the biggest jobs in the country. McClaren won the Carling Cup and went to a UEFA Cup final while managing Boro, a club no more well resourced than many of the clubs currently in the EPL.

It's a bit odd to say 'they aren't given a chance at the big clubs' when the three biggest clubs, Utd, Arsenal and Pool have all kept their managers for a fair while. Okay, Liverpool have maybe changed twice in the last 10 yrs, but it's not exactly many openings. Chelsea play by different rules - the fact they haven't gone for British managers is not in itself enough to say that British managers don't get a chance.

The ones that prove themselves are those like Moyes and O'Neill who go to big clubs on the next tier down and take them up the league. And a Villa, Everton, Spurs should be capable of getting into the top 4. They are big clubs, even if not members of The Big Four as we now know it.

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In recent years, there's been several managers like Jewell, Coppell (and maybe Brown is this season's equivalent), who've had one good season after promotion and got over-rated, and then slunk back down soon after.

Or there's the Curbishley, Alladyce types who get a consistent level of success with a small club punching above its weight, but can't get to the next level; and when they do go to a bigger club (Ham, Newcastle) can't seem to break through either. Hughes and Redknapp might belong on this list, if they don't make a success of current jobs.

I guess the best current reps are Bruce, who is surely due a shot at, say, Newcastle; Zola, on recent form (but we need to see him manage over a longer time period) and the aforementioned Moyes/O'Neill.

More British managers should do as McLaren and try and get gigs abroad. Never been a fan of his, but on this, I think he's made a good decision. Think of Bobby Robson and now Hodgson, who did so and have come back with widespread respect in the game and had degrees of success in the league. This might also give opportunity to manage in the CL, which they ain't likely to get if they hang around waiting for one of the big 4. But being as many managers are ex-players who never played abroad, the likelihood is slim that many will.

Parks lives wrote:@ Tweedle

If Wenger decided to call it quits in the summer, would you take O'Neill or Moyes?

I'd consider O'Neill mainly as he has more experience managing a bigger club with Celtic. Not sure about Moyes though.

I'd certainly take O'Neill. I think he's a top class manager. I wouldn't take Moyes for the issue that I raised in the first post. I think he gets results but his football is uninspiring and his record in Europe isn't great.

If a big job comes up in England O'Neill would certainly be a favourite. I don't see why he'd want to leave Villa though, he seems to have a good relationship with his chairman, has a good young team and plenty of money to spend. Moyes is a different case, he has done well with the resources he has had, but he has had time, patience and little expectation on him and would probably be seen as more of a risk than O'Neill.

12 months ago people would have said Hughes, a year before perhaps Allardyce, Steve Coppell.

People might talk about the likes of Gary Johnson or Roberto Martinez but they're not going to walk straight into a big club, and they will need a lot of luck and patience if they're going to get to the top.

The gap in England between the top clubs and those chasing has been huge in recent years, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool regularly compete in 4 competitions while Everton and Villa have been just off the pace in the league, often with nothing else to play for, I wouldn't trust Moyes at Liverpool to do as well as any of the current management,

The thing with O'Neill is he demands total control - purportedly the reason he didn't get England job when McClaren did was that he wanted his own coaches along too and the whole set-up to be his making. This is what he has at Villa, so the question is whether Arsenal or whoever would take him on those terms. I'm pretty sure he'd never go to Chelsea, if they offered, due to their methods; but maybe he'd be someone who could take Ferguson's place [having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Ferguson doesn't wholly leave when he 'leaves', moves upstairs and still retains a degree of control. Could see him doing that at the end of this season, if they were to win everything].

I agree, it'd be surprising if he left Villa, everything's progressing swimmingly on the whole, but it depends on the situation in a year or two, which is when one of these jobs might come along. He's tended to stay 5 yrs at all his previous clubs, this is year 3 here and he's just turned 57 - maybe he'd see the Man Utd or England job as the icing on his career cake, which he couldn't turn down.

Ps. I can't believe Glenn just did a whole post about O'Neill without calling him a disgrace once. Disgraceful

Allegedly Martin Oneill was ready to take over here after McClaren left as him and Gibbo apparently got on well, but Gibbo wouldnt let him bring in his own staff so he declined. Worst fucking decision Gibbo has ever made..I was gutted

We got Southgate instead.

Tweedle wrote:Some managers are already at the top of the game whereas others just aren't very good.

Which managers are on the up in your league though? i.e. which managers could you one day see managing a real world class team?

In the EPL, the obvious choice is Martin O'Neill. Whilst its fair to say that Celtic and Aston Villa aren't exactly small fry, IMO he could walk into a position at any club in the world and do a more than adequate job.

Another name whose been around for a bit is David Moyes - but his style of football probably wouldn't go down too well at most top league clubs.

Which makes it all the more baffling that you pick O'Neill.

I'm sorry but I don't buy this guff about english managers not being given a chance at top clubs.

If Moyes, Allardyce, O'Neill etc ever suggest that they can get a side to play anything approaching football then they should be given a chance.

Kudos to Zola for some of WHU's footy

Phil Brown will never achieve anything in football after Hull's promotion and possible relegation escape.

He has the worst personality ever for a manager.

borocooper wrote:Allegedly Martin Oneill was ready to take over here after McClaren left as him and Gibbo apparently got on well, but Gibbo wouldnt let him bring in his own staff so he declined. Worst fucking decision Gibbo has ever made..I was gutted

We got Southgate instead.

Seems strange. Surely most managers tend to change the coaching staff a bit. He is picky in always having Robertson and Walford with him, but it's surely a good (albeit more expensive) thing to have a team of staff coming in who know and trust each other. Silly Boro (and silly England)

debaser wrote:

borocooper wrote:Allegedly Martin Oneill was ready to take over here after McClaren left as him and Gibbo apparently got on well, but Gibbo wouldnt let him bring in his own staff so he declined. Worst fucking decision Gibbo has ever made..I was gutted

We got Southgate instead.

Seems strange. Surely most managers tend to change the coaching staff a bit. He is picky in always having Robertson and Walford with him, but it's surely a good (albeit more expensive) thing to have a team of staff coming in who know and trust each other. Silly Boro (and silly England)

Aye..I could never get my head round it but apparently the philosophy of the time was to keep the old regime around so everyone would be familiar and there wouldnt need to be a transitional period or something like that.