Alternative to penalties?

The Real White Pele wrote:Have an Big brother style phone-in after 120 minutes for the team you want to win.

Roll out a pregnant Davina to read out the results in the centre circle over the tannoy.

Or alternatively, get the tannoy announcer to ask the crowd to cheer for the team they want to win, and whichever team gets the loudest response goes through.

What if you're playing away from home?
Not so fair, unless you're playing one of those silent teams/stadiums.

dont panic! wrote:how about using animals in some way...animals native to your country...so if it was england against germany youd maybe have a rabbit fighting a wild pig....

....hmmm...maybe not..

so for England we get to Roll out three caged lions and then let them loose on the opposition team. If that were Germany then by all means bring on that puny Eagle

The Real White Pele wrote:

dont panic! wrote:how about using animals in some way...animals native to your country...so if it was england against germany youd maybe have a rabbit fighting a wild pig....

....hmmm...maybe not..

so for England we get to Roll out three caged lions and then let them loose on the opposition team. If that were Germany then by all means bring on that puny Eagle

Or France's rooster.

toon h wrote:I'd say each team to take off one player every 5 minutes. After a while it'll only be 6 against 6 or so and someone is bound to score.

Yeah, this has got to be the one.

Kill those f#cking penalties !

dont panic! wrote:how about using animals in some way...animals native to your country...so if it was england against germany youd maybe have a rabbit fighting a wild pig....

....hmmm...maybe not..

Axeslammer ! wrote:

toon h wrote:I'd say each team to take off one player every 5 minutes. After a while it'll only be 6 against 6 or so and someone is bound to score.

Yeah, this has got to be the one.

Kill those f#cking penalties !

I like this too, all right, I'll take this to the coaching conference and present it.

The animals idea is the best so far IMO

Roger_Hunt wrote:
I'd never thought about this before... but the German/ West German national team haven't lost an international penalty shootout since 1976.

So when 2 German teams have a penalty shootout, what happens, does it go to like 13-12 or something? What is 'embarrassing' yourself for a German team, when the goalie doesn't score?

Hehe....sometimes (I've seen shootouts ending 17-16 and all), but unfortunately not this time, that is the embarassing part considering the strenght of the opponent (lost 4-2, England-like you can say...).

But we had our second goalie playing for us, and knowing about his qualities, I can forgive my team easier.

Tweedledum wrote:The animals idea is the best so far IMO

yep...depending on whos playing it could range from being an absolute slaughter to just being a cute bit of cuddling.

If it was an animal war we would use our Eagle. England wouldn't be able to use those three Lions because they are not native to England. Wales could use their Dragon, but she's now busy filming some crappy show on channel 4.

Isar Truppe wrote:If it was an animal war we would use our Eagle. England wouldn't be able to use those three Lions because they are not native to England. Wales could use their Dragon, but she's now busy filming some crappy show on channel 4.

yep..england would also lose this penalty replacement against germany..no question...if you hadnt have shot that bear you could have had that as well...our most dangerous animal..the wild rabbit..wouldnt have a chance..

the african nations would obviously all play for draws against everyone else though..

Ahh...poor old Bruno the Bear.

Good call on the Africans, but would they use the Lions, Rhinos or Elephants??

Play on till theres a goal

All of the 'take players off' and 'keep playing' alternatives will result in more injuries and exhaustion. There's no way that the clubs would accept it.

Pens are the best of a bad bunch of options.

Roger_Hunt wrote:All of the 'take players off' and 'keep playing' alternatives will result in more injuries and exhaustion. There's no way that the clubs would accept it.

Pens are the best of a bad bunch of options.

hmm...im not actually sure now i think about it...germany where obviously playing for penalties against italy and thankfully didnt make it as italy knew they HAD to score...and did...it would have been a scandal if germany would have reached the final having won 2 penalty shoot outs..and probably won one in the final as well..thats NOT what i want from a world champion...

maybe if teams knew that they had to score to progress it might end quicker than you think...

Yes, well, ignoring that wind-up (though I quite see that it's scarcely ideal to need not one but two penalty shoot-outs to win a competition, however often it happens – usually a World Cup winner can expect to have to win at least one to win these days) – it would be good (lowering the tone by taking the topic seriously for a second, sorry) to see alternatives at least EXPERIMENTED with for once.

My version would perhaps see two players from each side coming off every 10 minutes after 90, which reduces numbers to a minimum of 5 or 3 very quickly. At least let's see a proper Fifa trial on this one.

Allez_les_rouges wrote:Yes, well, ignoring that wind-up (though I quite see that it's scarcely ideal to need not one but two penalty shoot-outs to win a competition, however often it happens – usually a World Cup winner can expect to have to win at least one to win these days) – it would be good (lowering the tone by taking the topic seriously for a second, sorry) to see alternatives at least EXPERIMENTED with for once.

My version would perhaps see two players from each side coming off every 10 minutes after 90, which reduces numbers to a minimum of 5 or 3 very quickly. At least let's see a proper Fifa trial on this one.

yep..that would be worth a try...as ive said though..if penaltys are found to be the best way then they should be kept...a winner has to be found some way..

and....italy didnt want a shoot out and didnt need one...england didnt want one either but couldnt manage to score against a weak portugal side...that does say a lot about the quality of a team..no question...

it wasnt a wind up by the way...i dont want to see a world championship decided that way..and i cant imagine anyone..apart from fans of the winning nation obviously..does...

Oh, and just for a record (though I can hardly be bothered) the reason it's a wind-up is that it repeats the tired old canard – as if it's incontrovertible fact – that Germany were "playing for penalties" against Italy; which, as any of the other Germans might point out if they could be bothered, is patently bullshit.

As you say it's scarcely ideal to make the final on two penalty shoot-outs. But I don't think that game has a reputation as the stand-out game of the tournament despite one team "playing for penalties"; it might be true that Italy were marginally the stronger in the later stages and that Germany were hanging on, knowing that they were stronger at penalties, while Italy knew what was coming so threw men forward, almost in desperation. But the point is that both teams were trying their damnedest to win until the very late stages.

Which might, indeed, be a defence of penalties in a way.

So, your wind-up has succeeded... please don't start it up again.

Allez_les_rouges wrote:Oh, and just for a record (though I can hardly be bothered) the reason it's a wind-up is that it repeats the tired old canard – as if it's incontrovertible fact – that Germany were "playing for penalties" against Italy; which, as any of the other Germans might point out if they could be bothered, is patently bullshit.

As you say it's scarcely ideal to make the final on two penalty shoot-outs. But I don't think that game has a reputation as the stand-out game of the tournament despite one team "playing for penalties"; it might be true that Italy were marginally the stronger in the later stages and that Germany were hanging on, knowing that they were stronger at penalties, while Italy knew what was coming so threw men forward, almost in desperation. But the point is that both teams were trying their damnedest to win until the very late stages.

Which might, indeed, be a defence of penalties in a way.

So, your wind-up has succeeded... please don't start it up again.

i didnt mean germany where playing for penalties from the start of the game..but you cant deny that they would have been a little keener on reaching this stage than italy..which you cant blame them for..its still pretty obvious though...

Allez_les_rouges wrote: it might be true that Italy were marginally the stronger in the later stages

Wow, I saw a completely different match

Portugal-Holland>Italy-Germany.

Italy-Germany was the most overrated game of the tournament.

Italy were stronger in extra time, they risked more, and therefore deservedly won. The first half was rather even, with Italy slightly having the edge. In the second half, Germany was clearly stronger, had the better chances, but simply didn't use them.

But again, because Lippi risked more in extra time to avoid penalties at all cost, and because this strategy paid off, Italy deserved to win the match.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Portugal-Holland>Italy-Germany.

Italy-Germany was the most overrated game of the tournament.

the italy germany game was a good game....and a VERY good game i should imagine if your team was involved...

I think that's very objectively put Blut. Your last post I actually have no quarrel with trees, I just don't think you can talk in terms of "playing for pens" at any stage, just that in the very dying minutes, obviously Germany would have been happier with penalties.

M. le Français, I do agree that Portugal-Holland was v underrated – brutal but highly entertaining for the relative neutral. I was too upset about the semi to be able to rate it with much objectivity in the immediate aftermath – you may have a point.

dont panic! wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Portugal-Holland>Italy-Germany.

Italy-Germany was the most overrated game of the tournament.

the italy germany game was a good game....and a VERY good game i should imagine if your team was involved...

I went for a piss at the start of extra -time, were all the excitement apparently was.

I had nearly gone to sleep in the first 90 minutes.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Portugal-Holland>Italy-Germany.

Italy-Germany was the most overrated game of the tournament.

the italy germany game was a good game....and a VERY good game i should imagine if your team was involved...

I went for a piss at the start of extra -time, were all the excitement apparently was.

I had nearly gone to sleep in the first 90 minutes.

really...i enjoyed it..very tactical and a deserved winner..what more do you want...

I like penalties. Ultimate test of character.