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    Post by S4P Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:00 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    S4P wrote:You know which player(s) at Madrid thought they were too important to be benched.

    As for defending players, one of the key reasons for his success at Chelsea and Inter was his ability to unite the players and the fans. Sure, there were a couple of players at each club who had issues with him (Crespo, Balotelli...) but many of his players would have run through brick walls for him. Even at Porto, some of his key players followed him to Chelsea.

    It's interesting that the only club where he didn't appear to truly win over the fans is Real - a club which has been divided over every one of its managers for the last 10 years.

    Casillas never said a word about being benched, if that is who you are referring to. Not a single word.

    Of course the fans were divided over Jose - although not seriously until this year. The style you can like more or less but when you lose to your biggest rival 5-0, are constantly going on about how much you want to return to England, poke a colleague in the eye, fail most of your objectives, and then go on to burn every bridge possible of course you are going to alienate players and fans.

    Casillas did not need to say anything - he has the Spanish media and national team mates to do the talking for him.

    Of course, Jose was crucial in burning bridges with the likes of Pepe. If only he'd stood up for him after he stamped on Messi's hand. Apart from Pepe and Casillas/Ramos, which other players did he burn bridges with? Ronaldo? Heck, Real fans were super critical of Ronaldo in the past, even when he was scoring 50+ goals a season.

    As for failing most of your objectives, he beat the so-called greatest team of all time to both the league and Spanish Cup title over his first 2 seasons. He took you beyond the Round of 16 in the CL for the first time in almost a decade, while the "style" bagged a record number of goals in a La Liga season. Also, you choose to focus on the 5-0 defeat over the 2-1 and 3-1 wins at the Camp Nou where you deservedly beat Barca.

    As I said, it's strange that the man who was for many years one of the best man-managers and motivators in world football (if not the best) could fail so terribly in this regard at one club. But I'm sure this has more to with Mourinho losing his touch than the Real players and fans, who have struggled to unite behind one manager since Del Bosque, being responsible for any of this alienation.
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    Post by S4P Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:08 pm

    messiah wrote:Motta did say the other day that he had big issues at inter as well, just that it didn't reach the press

    Well I'm sure this is probably true - we know how difficult it is for things to get out to the press in Italy. That's why you'd never hear of any scandals in Italian football ok

    Anyway, Sneijder doesn't seem to agree



    Nor Materazzi



    Nor Zanetti (1:15)

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    Post by TheCrazy58 Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:50 pm

    His sense of timing - sneaking in after Ferg's abdication and relative vaccum in the top tier of PL - is unrivalled. However for those Chelsea fans who are running around jabbering about dynasty building....

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    Post by S4P Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:01 pm

    Is there a manager who got the better of Ferguson (both domestically and in Europe) more than Mourinho?

    If anything, Fergie saw him coming back and ran Ale
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    Post by Pras_tama Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:04 am

    S4P wrote:Is there a manager who got the better of Ferguson (both domestically and in Europe) more than Mourinho?

    If anything, Fergie saw him coming back and ran Ale

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    Post by Jaime Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:56 am

    S4P wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    S4P wrote:You know which player(s) at Madrid thought they were too important to be benched.

    As for defending players, one of the key reasons for his success at Chelsea and Inter was his ability to unite the players and the fans. Sure, there were a couple of players at each club who had issues with him (Crespo, Balotelli...) but many of his players would have run through brick walls for him. Even at Porto, some of his key players followed him to Chelsea.

    It's interesting that the only club where he didn't appear to truly win over the fans is Real - a club which has been divided over every one of its managers for the last 10 years.

    Casillas never said a word about being benched, if that is who you are referring to. Not a single word.

    Of course the fans were divided over Jose - although not seriously until this year. The style you can like more or less but when you lose to your biggest rival 5-0, are constantly going on about how much you want to return to England, poke a colleague in the eye, fail most of your objectives, and then go on to burn every bridge possible of course you are going to alienate players and fans.

    Casillas did not need to say anything - he has the Spanish media and national team mates to do the talking for him.

    Of course, Jose was crucial in burning bridges with the likes of Pepe. If only he'd stood up for him after he stamped on Messi's hand. Apart from Pepe and Casillas/Ramos, which other players did he burn bridges with? Ronaldo? Heck, Real fans were super critical of Ronaldo in the past, even when he was scoring 50+ goals a season.

    As for failing most of your objectives, he beat the so-called greatest team of all time to both the league and Spanish Cup title over his first 2 seasons. He took you beyond the Round of 16 in the CL for the first time in almost a decade, while the "style" bagged a record number of goals in a La Liga season. Also, you choose to focus on the 5-0 defeat over the 2-1 and 3-1 wins at the Camp Nou where you deservedly beat Barca.

    As I said, it's strange that the man who was for many years one of the best man-managers and motivators in world football (if not the best) could fail so terribly in this regard at one club. But I'm sure this has more to with Mourinho losing his touch than the Real players and fans, who have struggled to unite behind one manager since Del Bosque, being responsible for any of this alienation.

    You're right, Jose is the saint in all of this.
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    Post by S4P Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:29 am

    Jose isn't the Saint and has contributed to his own downfall. But on the other hand let's not pretend that it was entirely his fault and that the Madrid players in question, nor the media (nor many of the Real fans) are absolved from any blame in this relationship turning sour.
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    Post by 110% Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:09 am

    Jose made plenty of contributions, but the players having way too much power is to blame for me. Whether they like it or not he was their boss, and if dropped or for whatever reason he was unhappy with them, they should do their best to make him happy again. When Capello told Beckham he didn't think he was good enough, Beckham worked harder and proved him wrong. Capello admitted he was wrong, and Beckham gained respect. Even Tevez appologised to mancini after being a massive c**t. The players in this case had their friends in the media spin stories to make themselves look better but ultimately hurt the club. Mourinho also went through the media and hurt the club, but seems like he couldn't control them any other way. Players should have the threat of getting fined, training with the reserve team etc. The manager doesn't have to get along with everyone for a successful team, but the players do have to have a boss. The team failed because the players didn't follow Mourinho, it is simple as that. Football doesn't work as a democracy with everyone free to do what they want, everyone has a job and the manager is the boss.

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    Post by Kroos Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:18 pm

    Schürrle is a done deal, De Bruyne is not included in this deal

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    Post by S4P Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:47 pm

    Press reporting that Jose wants to sign Hulk. No question this would be a great signing but I won't believe there's any truth in it until it's reported by Radio Marca.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:19 pm

    S4P wrote:Jose isn't the Saint and has contributed to his own downfall. But on the other hand let's not pretend that it was entirely his fault and that the Madrid players in question, nor the media (nor many of the Real fans) are absolved from any blame in this relationship turning sour.

    I posted this on the Real Madrid thread


    Arbeloa: Mourinho will never return to Madrid

    The Spanish full-back does not believe that his former coach will ever work at the Bernabeu again but is full of praise for the 50-year-old
    Alvaro Arbeloa believes that Jose Mourinho will never coach Real Madrid again after he left the Santiago Bernabeu to take over at Chelsea.

    The Portuguese ended his three-year reign in the Spanish capital after a trophyless season but president Florentino Perez hinted that he could come back to the club.

    However, Arbeloa believes that his time with los Blancos is over but says he thoroughly enjoyed working with the former Inter boss.

    "I can’t imagine Mourinho ever returning to Real Madrid," he told La Sexta.

    "There are people who do not like to have a coach who will not let you relax. I prefer people like Mourinho, who tells you exactly what he wants.”

    Arbeloa has been singled out as a weak link in the Madrid side over the last year and the Spain international admits that he must improve.

    "It has been my worst season since I arrived. I've not produced good enough performances and I am aware of that.”

    Arbeloa is part of Spain’s Confederation Cup team who will travel to Brazil and will face Uruguay in their first tournament match on June 16.


    Mourinho: Ronaldo can't handle criticism

    The flamboyant coach has hit out at the Real Madrid star's attitude and has downplayed his supposed falling-out with Pepe
    Jose Mourinho has taken a swipe at Cristiano Ronaldo in the wake of his Real Madrid exit, suggesting the prolific attacker cannot deal with criticism.

    The Portugal international had a bust-up with his coach earlier this season after Madrid's 2-0 Copa del Rey win over Valencia and Mourinho has admitted the forward did not take kindly to his comments.

    "Ronaldo has had three fantastic seasons with me. We found a tactical set-up where he got the best out of himself and scored a lot of goals. I had one problem with him, though," Mourinho told Punto Pelota.

    "When I criticised him from a tactical point of view because I felt he could still improve, he did not accept what I had to say.

    "That might be because he thinks he already knows everything and the coach cannot help him grow anymore..."

    Mourinho also endured a highly-publicised spat with Pepe during the final stages of his tenure at Santiago Bernabeu, but he insists his compatriot has garnered more support at the club as a result of the dispute.

    "I don't know whether Pepe betrayed me. Everybody wanted him out at Madrid, yet I kept him on board," Mourinho continued.

    "But he picked up an injury and Raphael Varane did a fine job during his absence. He deserved to play and Pepe didn't adapt well to the new situation.

    "All those who called him a murderer before now supported him. I'm happy that he gets that support now. It's great for him and Madrid need players like him."

    Mourinho left Madrid at the end of the 2012-13 campaign to return to Chelsea, where he was presented on Monday.

    I would love for more players to open up about what happened.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:17 pm

    Apparently you guys have agreed a fee for Cavani affraid
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    Post by Kroos Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:03 pm

    SCHURRLE

    Laughing

    well a worse version of robben, one trick pony, still a better deal then ZAHA
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:01 pm

    Schurrle Chelsea don't need anymore attacking midfielders?

    Schurrle the number of headlines punning schurrle is going to get very, very annoying.

    My take on this fashion of buying German players - clubs in England should probably be buying the good ones, not the shit ones (Podolski, Schurrle, Holtby, Mertesacker, Marin, Schurrle - none of them represent major coups really).
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:07 pm

    Disco Benny wrote:Schurrle Chelsea don't need anymore attacking midfielders?

    Schurrle the number of headlines punning schurrle is going to get very, very annoying.

    My take on this fashion of buying German players - clubs in England should probably be buying the good ones, not the shit ones (Podolski, Schurrle, Holtby, Mertesacker, Marin, Schurrle - none of them represent major coups really).

    Need is subject to interpretation. Surely Jose won't be a big fan of midgets like Mata, Marin and Hazard. He will want six footers that can run, i.e. Schurrle.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:10 pm

    I would LOVE it if Chelsea sold Mata. He's by far and away their best player, best Chelsea midfielder of the last 20 years
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    Post by ERIK LAMELA Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:04 am

    Disco Benny wrote:I would LOVE it if Chelsea sold Mata. He's by far and away their best player, best Chelsea midfielder of the last 20 years
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:49 am

    *midfielder* Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:59 pm

    If Mata is a midfielder than so is Lampard.
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    Post by The Chosen Glenn Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:24 pm

    Chelsea have beaten Arsenal to the signing of Josh Turnbull, if rumours are to be believed. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzDB70d9AUU

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    Post by Kimbo Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:31 pm

    Brutal.

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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:58 am

    Chelsea sign van Ginkel. How many midfielders does one team need? And i'm not entirely sure this will help his WC hopes.
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    Post by debaser Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:22 am

    Romford Pele wrote:Chelsea sign van Ginkel. How many midfielders does one team need? And i'm not entirely sure this will help his WC hopes.

    don't think they are that ridiculous..similar to Man U/Man C in numbers I suspect.

    not sure where van Ginkel plays, but..

    Ramires/Lampard-Mikel/Essien/Romeu
    Mata/Moses-Oscar/De Bruyne-Hazard/Schurrle
    Torres/Ba/Lukaku

    then there's a few kids like McEachran, Piazon, Kakuta who may be loaned out. And I'd imagine there's a couple like Romeu, Mikel who may be on their way (and their striking options will probably change too)
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    Post by christmasborocooper Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:39 am

    They might as well sell McEachran...didn't exactly set the Championship on fire, can't see him breaking in the Chelsea side if they keep buying 20 year olds from elsewhere.
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    Post by debaser Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:47 am

    only thing is they gotta be struggling to have enough English players for the quota, they got Lampard, Terry, Cahill, Cole, Bertrand. no wonder they want to sign an English keeper as backup (Ruddy)
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    Post by 110% Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:15 am

    S4P wrote:Press reporting that Jose wants to sign Hulk. No question this would be a great signing but I won't believe there's any truth in it until it's reported by Radio Marca.

    Just saw this. I would  lol! at a forward line of torres and hulk
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:07 pm

    They should give Chalobah a chance, quality player Ale
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:28 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Romford Pele wrote:Chelsea sign van Ginkel. How many midfielders does one team need? And i'm not entirely sure this will help his WC hopes.

    don't think they are that ridiculous..similar to Man U/Man C in numbers I suspect.

    not sure where van Ginkel plays, but..

    Ramires/Lampard-Mikel/Essien/Romeu
    Mata/Moses-Oscar/De Bruyne-Hazard/Schurrle
    Torres/Ba/Lukaku

    then there's a few kids like McEachran, Piazon, Kakuta who may be loaned out. And I'd imagine there's a couple like Romeu, Mikel who may be on their way (and their striking options will probably change too)

    Romeu for sure is leaving. Probably Mata and Torres too as the Spanish contingent is far to big for Jose's liking.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:22 pm

    Kimbo wrote:Brutal.

    Only just seen this.
    Wonderful stuff. Love how shocked they all are hearing someone not towing the line. Gallagher claiming Chelsea were responsible for rising the stock of the English game , what a dumb slag.
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    Post by The Chosen Glenn Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:07 pm

    Romeu has gone on loan to Valencia.

    I really rate this kid and am surprised they've sent him out on loan, seems like the only Chelsea 'midfielder' who doesn't want to sprint into the penalty area as soon as the team has possession. They would have done better last year if he'd not missed most of the season through injury.

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