Die Bundesliga 2011 Summer Transfer Thread

Schalke are close to signing Lewis Holtby (18, Alemannia Aachen), one of the very best German talents of his age group.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/511022/

This is a very good signing for them, especially since they do lack creativity. Holtby is a player similar to Marin, with great potential. He is pretty mature for his young age, and was one of Aachen's key players in the 2. Bundesliga last season, at the age of 18.

blutgraetsche wrote:Hah... why do you get all defensive just because I was stating a mere fact?

Because it's bullsh-it, simple as that. You're talking about stuff you actually don't have a clue about. I'd never come here, state that Bremen is only signing Brazilians "because of the hype" and then even claim that's a "fact".

blutgraetsche wrote:Man, you do sound bitter for sure.

WTF?

If it was "bullshit", there would be no reason to continue the strategy after Beiersdorfer left the club. And honestly, you are not exactly in a position to educate me on Bundesliga transfers, no offence. It's not like you need to be Einstein to see that pattern.

You sound bitter because you are trying to rubbish a recent Werder transfer, in contrast to me who only asked a question, because I didn't know the player, and hence was surprised to see him being called "one of the best Dutch talents" by the German media. Knowing the German media, such labels are not always accurate, so I prefered to see the Dutch on here comment on that.

You are extremely defensive when it comes to anything HSV related. I wonder what you would have done if we had discussed the tourmoil at your club in the last few weeks. Probably ran amok.

It seems like the huge transfer fee Stuttgart got for Mario Gomez has become a curse for them. They need a replacement, but since everyone knows that they are loaded with cash, the clubs of the players they are interested in try to milk them as much as possible.

The transfer of Standard Liège's Jovanovic won't happen:

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0907/News/milan-jovanovic-wechselt-nicht-zum-vfb-stuttgart.html


And Hoffenheim's Demba Ba may not sign either, because of complications during the medical

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/stuttgart/2009/07/06/demba-ba/an-diesem-nagel-haengt-der-vfb-transfer.html

blutgraetsche wrote:If it was "bullshit", there would be no reason to continue the strategy after Beiersdorfer left the club.

*scratches head*

Okay, let's see. We've had Boulahrouz, van der Vaart and de Jong in the past. They all happened to belong to our most important players at that time. In fact we still haven't managed to get a proper replacement for neither van der Vaart nor de Jong. Which should have been obvious to anyone, who has eyes, last season. Especially the second leg.

And now we should stop signing Dutch players, because Beiersdorfer has left the club and he was only following "the hype"?

Yeah, wow. Makes total sense.

blutgraetsche wrote:And honestly, you are not exactly in a position to educate me on Bundesliga transfers, no offence. It's not like you need to be Einstein to see that pattern.

I am indeed in the position to educate you about transfers for my club, because it's more then obvious that you don't know what you're talking about in this case.

Which is not the problem. I don't think I know too much about Bremen's transfers either. But I don't claim to either.

blutgraetsche wrote:You sound bitter because you are trying to rubbish a recent Werder transfer

Oh man, honestly.

I don't give a f-ck, if he was signed by Bremen. I've already been stating that I think he's way overrated when he was still in Gladbach. I won't change that opinion just to do you a favour.

What I was trying to say is that we almost signed him. But instead we singed Elia, who is just as expensive and might as well be overrated. It doesn't seem like a big difference to me. All I can do is hope that Elia proves that he is in fact worth the money.


See, blut, I don't know, if you are just that squeamish when it comes to anything related to Bremen or if you just want to start a "Bremen vs. Hamburg" fight as soon as you see my name anywhere. I guess it's the latter, because you've been doing that ever since I appeared here first.

Anyway, I'm sick of it. I don't want to check all my postings for anything that might annoy you and might make you want to start a fight and be an arse to me again.

If you can't react to me in a "normal" way, please just ignore me completely. Kthnx.

Castelen & Elia have a lot in common. Apart from them being Den Haag boys, they're both verstaile wingers.

This clip explains it pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkPczhgMM0&feature=PlayList&p=BB9E552100F67D43&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

A fullback has to take into account they have various ways (with or without turn, etc) of going past them on the outside & cross, cut inside and either play a good low pacy pass to someone lined up for a shot (both are very good at picking those passes) or go for a solo (& score). Hope Elia is less injury prone than Castelen. Both are 10 goals & 10 assists (a league season) wingers with a good positional/tactical game. These guys are not worldclass, but imo (Castelen if he'ld be fit again) good enough for any Bundesliga team.

I expect Elia to thrive with all those space on the Bundesligaaussenbahnen.

I did start a "fight", or was it you? Seriously, are you for real? Read your own postings for God's sake.

And while you are at it, read my first reply again also. Dutch players are hyped, which means that there is a relatively high demand and hence resale value, which reduces the risks of a transfer considerably. And they usually adopt well to the league. So in addition to the qualities of a player, those factors are important for your club to continue the strategy of signing Dutch players. If you seriously try to deny this, you are deluded, and have to be 'educated' by a Bremen fan on your transfer policy indeed.

Lesley, let me say it slowly: It's not me who reacted to anything you said, it's you who is going apeshit every time someone mentions HSV, especially if that "someone" is me. You didn't post in this thread, you come here, and the first thing you do is calling my posting "bullshit", and sounding bitter and frustrated. Reality check Lesley, it really is about time.

Well I dont know if all Dutch players are hyped blut, some of them yes, but not all. And you cant deny HSV made some good money out of them and got some good results.

If HSV gets Castelen fit and have Elia, who is Dutch talent of the year 2009, they have wingers that can rival with any other team in the bundesliga. And HSV would have lost much more money if they signed a German equivalent for those positions, and Germans wont get sold..well only to Bayern. So it makes sense Blut.

Castelen was part of our awesome attack with Kuyt and Kalou for a few years, and looked decent at ADO. So his move made sense, just unlucky with injuries.

Elia on the other hand had 1 good year with Twente. Though he looks promising, the year before Engelaar and El Ahmadi had 1 good year at Twente...didnt really work for both of them last year.

Personally I believe its to early for him to go from a small German team to a big one. But if he is really talented, he will make it anyway

I never denied that they made good money Fey - that was actually my point! You are basically confirming what I wrote.

Due to the complications in the Demba Ba transfer, Stuttgart seem to focus on Roman Pavlyuchenko now. Tottenham supposedly demand €15m, which shouldn't be a problem for Stuttgart.

Would be a good signing IMHO.

blutgraetsche wrote:

I did start a "fight", or was it you? Seriously, are you for real? Read your own postings for God's sake.

what about reading your own postings yourself?

blutgraetsche wrote:Knowing the German media, such labels are not always accurate, so I prefered to see the Dutch on here comment on that.

Bit weird to ask something and if somebody is kind enbough tp come up with a sincere reply (as you should know I rate a lot of Dutch players far worse than the German media or the posters overhere), say you don't want any comments.

De Guzman, I really don't understand what your point is? Care to elaborate, please?

I was interested in the comments of the Dutch posters on here, that's why I actually asked for them! I never said that I don't want any comments, on the contrary!

To put it simply: Comments by Dutch posters on here >>>> German media

I didn't know the player, that's why I asked.

Cool, sorry, misunderstood you.

It looks like Stuttgart are in the best position to sign Huntelaar (25, Real Madrid) as a replacement for Gomez, according to Marca and Gazzetta dello Sport. They made the highest bid (€20m), and they do have the money due to the Gomez transfer, but their competition is strong (Milan, Hamburg and Manchester United are named).

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_bundesliga/artikel_126399.html

No way an Ajax Dutchie would go to Stuttgart! Especially not when they are currently at Madrid. It will be Manchester or Milan, most likely the latter.

Well, it's both Marca and Gazetta saying this (independently), not the German press. I agree that in principle, Milan should have the best chance to sign him, but they seem to be very stingy these days, and Stuttgart are kinda 'desperate' for a Gomez replacement. They have the money, and are willing to spend it, and Madrid need the money.

Stuttgart have a good team, and they can qualify for the CL. Not the worst team to join these days for sure, especially if it means that you'll be the star of the team, and be a guaranteed starter in the last season before the WC.

What about the Pavlyuchenko to Stuttgart rumours?

If Stuttgart wins the battle of the rabbit it would be a huge surprise....


Huntelaar is down to earth enough not to choose alone for the big money only....

So what did he move to Madrid for?

Those were the rumors yesterday. Tottenham apparently demand €15m, which would be no problem for Stuttgart.

They do need a good replacement for Gomez, proven quality, because they have to play in the CL qualification, and they don't want to bottle it. Not qualifying for the CL basically means losing €10m-15m straight away.

So going by the media buzz, I'd say that Huntelaar is their first target, and Pavlyuchenko their second.

I would be surprised if we are looking at him to be honest, if we are, it means we are looking for a striker and Huntelaar is a backup target (as we could have easily got him in Ronaldo's deal).

Ray Parlour wrote:So what did he move to Madrid for?

€27m paid to his home club, and a promise of a great future at the club. But as we all know, due to the changes in Madrid in recent time, that was not meant to happen.

DS wrote:I would be surprised if we are looking at him to be honest, if we are, it means we are looking for a striker and Huntelaar is a backup target (as we could have easily got him in Ronaldo's deal).

Milan want him as well, and they didnt include him in the Kaka deal.

They probably dont want to spend too many, seeing what Milan have bought, they are going for parsimony.

Ray Parlour wrote:So what did he move to Madrid for?

A huge club. It was more a "if you don't shoot you'll always miss" transfer for the rabbit

English media is reporting that Lucio is on his way out to join Man City. Estimated transfer fee is €7m.

http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/669663

He isn't very young, but still in his prime for a defender. I really can't see Bayern selling him that cheap, even if his contract ends next year, especially to Manchester City.

Unless they really want to get rid of him.

I am still baffled that they even consider selling him. He's one of the few leaders and international big name player in their team and a favourite of the fans as well.

Van Gaal really must not rate him at all, if he doesn't even wait until he's back in training to make a final judgement on him.

Ajax have signed Thimothee Atouba (27, HSV). Atouba had played under Jol in his Tottenham and HSV days, and now moves to Amsterdam on a Bosman.

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/news/29436/atouba-wechsel-zu-ajax-amsterdam-perfekt.html

1) Do you really think Lucio wants to play in England (weather), and for ManCity (no CL) at that?

and

2) Do you honestly believe Hoeness would sell him for a measly 7m Euros?