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    Ronaldo or Kaka

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    Who will make the bigger impact in Spain

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    Post by Football Genius Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:03 pm

    borocooper wrote:Didnt Ronaldo get about 20 assists on season? I dont think its beyond him to create again.

    Yes this was the season before he became a 'striker' and played on the right Ale

    Oh and this was also when he used to take players on, try tricks and flicks, could have been the season your player got sent off trying to break his leg on the touchline?

    Shamed he didn't 'do' he better.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:05 pm

    Might've been that year, Morrison that one was.

    I think he could still provide well enough on the right wing..he probably didnt get many assists any more partly because he was shooting so much and partly because any chance he made was usually missed.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:28 pm

    borocooper wrote:Didnt Ronaldo get about 20 assists on season? I dont think its beyond him to create again.
    My problem with him is that he is a percentage player and not particularly creative. I would expect him to get assists with his pace and his team mates.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:31 pm

    Super Percentage Football wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Didnt Ronaldo get about 20 assists on season? I dont think its beyond him to create again.
    My problem with him is that he is a percentage player and not particularly creative Ribery.

    Wink
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:33 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Super Percentage Football wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Didnt Ronaldo get about 20 assists on season? I dont think its beyond him to create again.
    My problem with him is that he is a percentage player and not particularly creative Ribery.

    Wink
    Im assuming you mean because he isn't Ribery? And yeah that is defo it but I would have much prefered Silva over Ronaldo aswell even if they were both at the same price. It is all about how what the players offer on the field.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:35 pm

    Super Percentage Football wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    Super Percentage Football wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Didnt Ronaldo get about 20 assists on season? I dont think its beyond him to create again.
    My problem with him is that he is a percentage player and not particularly creative Ribery.

    Wink
    Im assuming you mean because he isn't Ribery? And yeah that is defo it but I would have much prefered Silva over Ronaldo aswell even if they were both at the same price. It is all about how what the players offer on the field.

    Safe to say C. Ronaldo offers more than Royston f*cking Drenthe so in my view we have improved. Ale
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    Post by King Modric Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:43 pm

    Ronaldo is a great player. Over the last two years he has torn up the EPL and gone to the CL final in successive seasons. Attitude and personality wise he is a c**t but he is a massive signing for us. Expensive or not, he is one of the top three footballers in the world and let's not forget that in all of our complaining.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:46 pm

    King Pipita wrote:Ronaldo is a great player. Over the last two years he has torn up the EPL and gone to the CL final in successive seasons. Attitude and personality wise he is a c**t but he is a massive signing for us. Expensive or not, he is one of the top three footballers in the world and let's not forget that in all of our complaining.

    I agree completely. Everyone has their favourite players and I understand some people preferring Ribery but to say that Ronaldo isn't a good signing is silly.

    The only way it is a bad signing in my opinion is if the cost prohibits the signing of other players that we need to revamp the midfield and defence.
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    Post by Batman Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:13 pm

    What about?

    Casillas

    Ramos . . . Pepe . . . Albiol . . . Clichy

    Lass . . . Alonso . . . Diarra

    Ronaldo . . . . . . . Kaka
    Villa


    Your full backs will play like wing backs and then you have Lass and Diarra/Gago to protect the CB's.
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    Post by DS Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:17 pm

    I doubt Liverpool will sell Alonso unless he wants to move because I cant see too many alternatives, same with Clichy, he doesnt have a desire to move but Arsene is more prone to sell his players for profit and they have Gibbs to take place and probably 3-4 more ready in the similar mode.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:17 pm

    ---------------Iker-----------------

    Ramos--Pepe--Abiol---Marcelo


    --------Lass----DLR---------


    -Higuain----Kaka-----Granero


    -------------Villa--------------

    I would be a happy man. Whistle
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    Post by DS Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:24 pm

    So they have now (Villa is close)

    -----------Cas---------
    --Ramos-----Metz----Pepe---Marcelo

    -------Lass----Diarra

    CR------Kaka----Robben

    -------Villa--------

    Unless they sign a retainer that midfield is unlikely to keep possession and that forward line wont track back.

    The biggest worry ofcourse is the defence, both Ramos and Marcelo are weak defensively and I am not sure how much Garay/Albiol are upgrade to Cana or Metz.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:27 pm

    DS wrote:So they have now (Villa is close)

    -----------Cas---------
    --Ramos-----Metz----Pepe---Marcelo

    -------Lass----Diarra

    CR------Kaka----Robben

    -------Villa--------

    Unless they sign a retainer that midfield is unlikely to keep possession and that forward line wont track back.

    The biggest worry ofcourse is the defence, both Ramos and Marcelo are weak defensively and I am not sure how much Garay/Albiol are upgrade to Cana or Metz.

    Well, Diarra won't be in there. Maybe not Robben either. Valdano said we are buying a fullback (Marcelo to the bench) and Albiol would be an improvement over Cannavaro imo. He's looked good when playing next to a good cb (e.g. Ayala and even Marchena) and looked sh!t when playing next to a sh!t cb (e.g. Helguera). I think Pepe-Albiol could be very good.
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    Post by DS Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:30 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    DS wrote:So they have now (Villa is close)

    -----------Cas---------
    --Ramos-----Metz----Pepe---Marcelo

    -------Lass----Diarra

    CR------Kaka----Robben

    -------Villa--------

    Unless they sign a retainer that midfield is unlikely to keep possession and that forward line wont track back.

    The biggest worry ofcourse is the defence, both Ramos and Marcelo are weak defensively and I am not sure how much Garay/Albiol are upgrade to Cana or Metz.

    Well, Diarra won't be in there. Maybe not Robben either. Valdano said we are buying a fullback (Marcelo to the bench) and Albiol would be an improvement over Cannavaro imo. He's looked good when playing next to a good cb (e.g. Ayala and even Marchena) and looked sh!t when playing next to a sh!t cb (e.g. Helguera). I think Pepe-Albiol could be very good.
    He looks good around a organizer which Pepe isnt, putting Sergio Ramos in and getting Maicon wont be the worst idea, as Sergio Ramos is getting burnt outside, I assume that will happen alot when he gets a pacy winger.

    Who are you buying as a LB.
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    Post by L r dd Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:30 pm

    Ronaldo wont have much impact. He's not a great player and was made a star by his team mates. Now he has Kaka to contend with he'll start to slide and go off the boil seeing a genuine world class player next to him. He's always been a one trick pony now it' schanged from stepovers to numerous shots. How long will Real fans and players put up with him taking shots from 50 years in the hope he gets a lucky one in the net?

    He has no real style anymore, he does stupid flicks that rarely even come off, his main quality is in the air but Madrid wont play cross cross cross like Man Utd. He'll be lucky to net 15 for the season and probably will be a bigger flop than Robinho.
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    Post by DS Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:31 pm

    L-r d wrote:Ronaldo wont have much impact. He's not a great player and was made a star by his team mates. Now he has Kaka to contend with he'll start to slide and go off the boil seeing a genuine world class player next to him. He's always been a one trick pony now it' schanged from stepovers to numerous shots. How long will Real fans and players put up with him taking shots from 50 years in the hope he gets a lucky one in the net?

    He has no real style anymore, he does stupid flicks that rarely even come off, his main quality is in the air but Madrid wont play cross cross cross like Man Utd. He'll be lucky to net 15 for the season and probably will be a bigger flop than Robinho.
    lol! , that is bitter LRD.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:31 pm

    DS wrote:So they have now (Villa is close)

    -----------Cas---------
    --Ramos-----Metz----Pepe---Marcelo

    -------Lass----Diarra

    CR------Kaka----Robben

    -------Villa--------

    Unless they sign a retainer that midfield is unlikely to keep possession and that forward line wont track back.

    The biggest worry ofcourse is the defence, both Ramos and Marcelo are weak defensively and I am not sure how much Garay/Albiol are upgrade to Cana or Metz.

    lol!

    clutching at straws much?

    that line up will batter most sides, and they have so much in reserve. Would you bet againt them getting Alonso and a couple of defenders? When Ronaldo plays wide he can be very disciplined, particularly in big games. I would guess Diarra, Robben, Marcelo and Metzelder wont be first choice by September.
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    Post by DS Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:32 pm

    No, I am saying what I am feeling, I am not unhappy RM got Ronaldo, I hope he will be successful and if RM are successful with him I dont mind much.
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    Post by TM Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:33 pm

    L-r d wrote:Ronaldo wont have much impact. He's not a great player and was made a star by his team mates. Now he has Kaka to contend with he'll start to slide and go off the boil seeing a genuine world class player next to him. He's always been a one trick pony now it' schanged from stepovers to numerous shots. How long will Real fans and players put up with him taking shots from 50 years in the hope he gets a lucky one in the net?

    He has no real style anymore, he does stupid flicks that rarely even come off, his main quality is in the air but Madrid wont play cross cross cross like Man Utd. He'll be lucky to net 15 for the season and probably will be a bigger flop than Robinho.


    You should have told Perez this before he paid £80m for the conte Doh
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:34 pm

    DS wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    DS wrote:So they have now (Villa is close)

    -----------Cas---------
    --Ramos-----Metz----Pepe---Marcelo

    -------Lass----Diarra

    CR------Kaka----Robben

    -------Villa--------

    Unless they sign a retainer that midfield is unlikely to keep possession and that forward line wont track back.

    The biggest worry ofcourse is the defence, both Ramos and Marcelo are weak defensively and I am not sure how much Garay/Albiol are upgrade to Cana or Metz.

    Well, Diarra won't be in there. Maybe not Robben either. Valdano said we are buying a fullback (Marcelo to the bench) and Albiol would be an improvement over Cannavaro imo. He's looked good when playing next to a good cb (e.g. Ayala and even Marchena) and looked sh!t when playing next to a sh!t cb (e.g. Helguera). I think Pepe-Albiol could be very good.
    He looks good around a organizer which Pepe isnt, putting Sergio Ramos in and getting Maicon wont be the worst idea, as Sergio Ramos is getting burnt outside, I assume that will happen alot when he gets a pacy winger.

    Who are you buying as a LB.

    I've wondered about this as well since Florentino originally bought Sergio Ramos to play in the centre. Capello was the first to play him on the right regularly after he left Sevilla mainly because Cicinho was sh!t.

    We've been linked with Sporting LB Canella as well as Clichy. Also Ivan Marcano from Racing who can play both LB and CB.
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    Post by DS Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:36 pm

    About clutching at straws, for me if it live up to expectation, Ronaldo, Villa and Kaka is more dangerous than Messi, Henry and Etoo, it has more bows in its string but I dont know what stage of career Kaka is really in and how Ronaldo will adapt.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:42 pm

    L-r d wrote:Ronaldo wont have much impact. He's not a great player and was made a star by his team mates. Now he has Kaka to contend with he'll start to slide and go off the boil seeing a genuine world class player next to him. He's always been a one trick pony now it' schanged from stepovers to numerous shots. How long will Real fans and players put up with him taking shots from 50 years in the hope he gets a lucky one in the net?

    He has no real style anymore, he does stupid flicks that rarely even come off, his main quality is in the air but Madrid wont play cross cross cross like Man Utd. He'll be lucky to net 15 for the season and probably will be a bigger flop than Robinho.

    ok
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    Post by King Modric Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:33 pm

    I think Granero could play alongside Lass if we don't buy anyone else. Also Gago could be used to form a double pivote.
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    Post by Dejan Savićević Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:52 pm

    Batman wrote:Ronaldo

    Kaka creates and Ronaldo will bang them in.

    ok

    I go with that.
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    Post by Puro Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:58 pm

    Luis wrote:Two massive signings, which one will make the bigger impact?

    Ronaldo or Kaka - Page 2 Kaka_single

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    Kaká. Cristiano will suffer just like Henry. Cristiano won't be facing the Cattermoles, Hibberts, Fat Franks, overrated Terrys etc of the EPL. There's a lot of pressure for him to deliver in La Liga. Over there the defenders have seen all kinds of shimmys fake and bakes. Cristiano may have to re-invent himself. On the other hand, Kaká may explode immediately. <Ale>
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    Post by Kroos Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:04 pm

    kaka he is more intelligent player


    cryonaldo well now learn that class defence is not only in the top 4 teams
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    Post by King Modric Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:23 pm

    Puro wrote:
    Luis wrote:Two massive signings, which one will make the bigger impact?

    Ronaldo or Kaka - Page 2 Kaka_single

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    Kaká. Cristiano will suffer just like Henry. Cristiano won't be facing the Cattermoles, Hibberts, Fat Franks, overrated Terrys etc of the EPL. There's a lot of pressure for him to deliver in La Liga. Over there the defenders have seen all kinds of shimmys fake and bakes. Cristiano may have to re-invent himself. On the other hand, Kaká may explode immediately. <Ale>

    There are plenty of crap defenders in La Liga to be exploited.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:29 pm

    most of them are at Real Madrid though Razz
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    Post by Kimbo Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:32 pm

    Puro wrote:Kaká. Cristiano will suffer just like Henry. Cristiano won't be facing the Cattermoles, Hibberts, Fat Franks, overrated Terrys etc of the EPL. There's a lot of pressure for him to deliver in La Liga. Over there the defenders have seen all kinds of shimmys fake and bakes. Cristiano may have to re-invent himself. On the other hand, Kaká may explode immediately. <Ale>

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    Post by COTR Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:33 pm

    Özil wrote:kaka he is more intelligent player


    cryonaldo well now learn that class defence is not only in the top 4 teams

    Have you ever watched Spanish footbal Ozil Question

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