Messi V Ronaldo V Kaka

Right,

Lets settle this...

Who really is the best player in the world at the moment?

I think Ronaldo is probably guaranteed the WPOTY award for this season, and also the Ballon D'or, but who is favourite to win it next year.

And who, at the end of their career, do you think will be regarded to have been the best player of the three? And will any of them be viewed as equal to or better than the best player of the modern generation; Zidane?

ATM it's Agüero. But based on last season Ronaldo will win it.

Olé wrote:ATM it's Agüero. But based on last season Ronaldo will win it.

I asked you to discount current form and on last season.

this is forward looking - this is asking who REALLY is the best? Who will be looked back upon as the best player of this next 5 or so years?

I don't understand how Kaka still makes the shortlist, he's done f@ck all last season...

(and he hasn't been all that great the season before either)

Ronaldo is the best player in the world, one of the best players the world has ever seen, 42 goals in 48 games , if it were ruud who scored that people would be calling him the best ever.

come on its only the BPL, outside the top4 all teams useless

its still impressive, but in serie A or other laliga he would have problems to score 30

Toni Kroos wrote:come on its only the BPL, outside the top4 all teams useless

its still impressive, but in serie A or other laliga he would have problems to score 30

So why isn't any other "player" doing it if it's only the "BPL"? Surely Drogba,Adebayour,Torres et all can do this no?
Did he not score also 8 goals in the CL?

I really can't see the logic on your statement.

because he plays in a team with great attacking football, and all defences in the BPL overcharged with him, because there are only Cr@p defences

he is a great player and deserves the "wpoty" award,

and the 8 goals, most of them he scored in the group stages

Messi. Not saying that Ronaldo isn't absolute class, but I think Messi has a little more natural talent. I'd easily take all of them in my team though, without a shadow of a doubt.

these polls are silly, Messi will get the most votes. Ronaldo will get about 8 legitimate votes from the United fans on here and a further 8 from Nightwing, Dick Grayson, Green Arrow, Batman, Sir Harry Flashman, James Bond and what ever other aliases Nutty has that we don't know about. Ronaldo is very effective but the fact that he calls himself a winger despite never crossing the ball means he wont be taken seriously by purist.

Definitely not Kaka, and in time to come he won't be regarded as the best of this lot, because he'll be ranked behind Ronaldinho as the best player so far post-Zidane.

Aguero, well yes, on current form he is by far the best of the 3, and him and Ronaldo easily beat Messi when you extend to last season as well. But I think we'll temporarily rule him out for now because he's not yet at a big club, not yet doing it every game in the CL.

Which leaves the more "established" 2, Messi and Ronaldo. Personally, I prefer Messi as a player, all Barça bias aside. Both have so much skill, flair, and just plain cheekiness that makes players great, that we may as well call them equal on that front. So what gives Messi the edge IMO is that he can score as many goals and get as many assists as Ronaldo, but is much more exciting to watch while doing so.

Ronaldo does have the advantage in terms of strength and height though, and that leads to the question about who will be best in the long run - if we were betting on this, the money would have to be on Ronaldo considering his better injury record in past seasons. But if Messi stays fit for about 75% of every season, then (as we saw the season before last) he will be the one that will be most fondly remembered by the majority of fans around the world.

Of course other factors will alter all this, such as which league each of them try next (it will probably be Spain for Ronaldo and Italy for Messi), and how they do in this league. Also, who will win more titles, in which right now I think they are equal (though Messi is younger and played no part in the first league title won under Rijkaard).

kas do you think Ronaldo will be as effective in La Liga? Or more/less effective?

i wouldn't say kun easily beat messi last season, every time messi came back from injury last season he was awesome and was way better in the Olympics.

Being equal in titles won doesn't reflect truely though. Ronaldo played a key part in two titles an FA cup and a Champions league trophy. Messi was a sub in the last league win and hardly featured in the knock out games of the Champions league win.


Messi will always have an advantage over Ronaldo in that he's a much more likeable player and in that he's every football purists wet dream.

Batman wrote:kas do you think Ronaldo will be as effective in La Liga? Or more/less effective?

I don't think he (or 99.99% of players at the top level for that matter) can be more effective than 30-40 goals a season, so at best he'll probably match those kind of numbers. But in terms of qualitatively judging his performances, I think it depends on which club he joins and what his role is...if he gets a free role, and the side slowly modifies to match the current situation at Man. Utd, where he's often a 2nd striker, then his physical attributes and eye for goal will make him a monster against La Liga defenders. But if he is required to play the typical Spanish winger/creative midfielder's (relatively) slow, intelligent passing game, then I don't think he'll be as effective as he is in England right now. Well, perhaps he could, but it would require some adapting.

(of course it's worth pointing out that the player he's being compared to, Messi, is himself a "1 trick pony" at times).

Parks lives wrote:Being equal in titles won doesn't reflect truely though. Ronaldo played a key part in two titles an FA cup and a Champions league trophy. Messi was a sub in the last league win and hardly featured in the knock out games of the Champions league win.


Messi will always have an advantage over Ronaldo in that he's a much more likeable player and in that he's every football purists wet dream.

Yeah that's why I mentioned the age factor, since Messi didn't get involved as much as Ronaldo. For the CL win, he was key against Chelsea, but after that was injured for the rest of the games.

You're right about the personality point. Plus the fact that within a year or two of breaking into the first team at Barça, he scored some unbelievable goals. So people will remember those moments. Ronaldo had to move to a different league and club, and his settling in period was 2-3 years before he started producing his moments of brilliance.

comparing Ronaldo with the likes of Messi is difficult, talent, value to the team, goals, assists, effectiveness etc.

A Henry/Ronaldo comparison would be fairer since they played in the same league in the same position with similar success.

Kaka had just one bad season (last year) since he came to Europe. He had a number of great seasons, top scorer in the CL, won everything at club level.

Ronaldo is a close second.

Messi doesn't belong here. He's done nothing so far to deserve a mention. I agree he's good and might inspire Barca to win in the future but right now what has he won?

Ronaldo could get around 20 goals in la liga, he as a great shoot, very good a set plays and is a wonderful header of the ball, but much like Henry he will find it hard to opperate in the small spaces given to him in la liga.

Messi hasn't been a sub for barca since his 1st full season.

Ronaldo
Messi
Kaka

And if everyone is honest with themselves they know this. People overlook the fact that Ronaldo is also a lot easier to fit in any team, he can play a lot more positions and slot in anywhere pretty much. It is a team game and Ronaldo would be better for any team which i think shows. Messi as an actual dribbler is up there or even a little infront of him for sure.

lerd, did you just put "its a team game" and "ronaldo" in the same sentence?

What positions does he play? RW, LW, 10, 2nd striker?


Oh, so all the positions that Messi has played on various occasions for Barça and/or Argentina.

L.r.d wrote:Ronaldo
Messi
Kaka

And if everyone is honest with themselves they know this. People overlook the fact that Ronaldo is also a lot easier to fit in any team, he can play a lot more positions and slot in anywhere pretty much. It is a team game and Ronaldo would be better for any team which i think shows. Messi as an actual dribbler is up there or even a little infront of him for sure.

how many assists did this team player get last season?

I agree that Ronaldo is the better utility player, but Messi is the better footballer.

Ronaldo deserves to win the WPOTY (not sure why Utd fans continue to obsess over it though), but take away his goals his performances leave a lot be desired.

Yesterday on SSFS one of the pundits said, 'aside from the goal, Ronaldo has been a non-factor'. Granted he has only just come back from injury, but it sums up how I view a lot of his performances. Generally anonymous, and pops up with a goal. Very Ruud-esque.

Kaka is is now underrated IMO. He has a season plagued by injury's last year, and he's now the forgotten man. He is what a WC footballer should be. Wonderfu ability, but also does the simple things so well. Such a graceful footballer, and an effective one to boot.

Messi has to actually complete a season without injury, to be considered. I know Maradona had no right foot, but nevertheless, I'd like to see Messi work on his.

What is certain; is that neither Ronaldo, Kaka, nor Messi currently nowhere near is good as Dinho was in his pomp. Ronaldo scores more goals, Messi can dribble past more players, Kaka is more graceful, but none have, or utilise their abilities as well as Dinho did.

That was his first start since coming back from a 10 week injury, how on earth can use that game to sum him up?

Not to mention you are using second hand information from a Sky sports pundit.

Gone wrote:Kaka had just one bad season (last year) since he came to Europe. He had a number of great seasons, top scorer in the CL, won everything at club level.

Ronaldo is a close second.

Messi doesn't belong here. He's done nothing so far to deserve a mention. I agree he's good and might inspire Barca to win in the future but right now what has he won?

I don't think you answered the question that Tweedle asked from us. He clearly stated who do we think that is a better player at this moment. He didn't asked for titles or last season performances.
There's no doubt that out of these three, Messi is the best. At this moment.

Zlatan isn't a badbet for the 2009 WPOTY. If Inter do well in the league + CL, you can be sure, that he'll be the main catalyst behind that.

TITO wrote:

Gone wrote:Kaka had just one bad season (last year) since he came to Europe. He had a number of great seasons, top scorer in the CL, won everything at club level.

Ronaldo is a close second.

Messi doesn't belong here. He's done nothing so far to deserve a mention. I agree he's good and might inspire Barca to win in the future but right now what has he won?

I don't think you answered the question that Tweedle asked from us. He clearly stated who do we think that is a better player at this moment. He didn't asked for titles or last season performances.
There's no doubt that out of these three, Messi is the best. At this moment.

How ?
Elaborate please , surely you will judge the current best player based on last season.

Calidad wrote:Ronaldo deserves to win the WPOTY (not sure why Utd fans continue to obsess over it though), but take away his goals his performances leave a lot be desired.

Yesterday on SSFS one of the pundits said, 'aside from the goal, Ronaldo has been a non-factor'. Granted he has only just come back from injury, but it sums up how I view a lot of his performances. Generally anonymous, and pops up with a goal. Very Ruud-esque.

Kaka is is now underrated IMO. He has a season plagued by injury's last year, and he's now the forgotten man. He is what a WC footballer should be. Wonderfu ability, but also does the simple things so well. Such a graceful footballer, and an effective one to boot.

Messi has to actually complete a season without injury, to be considered. I know Maradona had no right foot, but nevertheless, I'd like to see Messi work on his.

What is certain; is that neither Ronaldo, Kaka, nor Messi currently nowhere near is good as Dinho was in his pomp. Ronaldo scores more goals, Messi can dribble past more players, Kaka is more graceful, but none have, or utilise their abilities as well as Dinho did.

Did you see how inspired MU attack was after he came on against Villarreal thats how important he is to the team.

The season before the last Ronaldo was the highest assister in the league (again please correct me if I was wrong) and we had Saha to play games , last season Saha couldnt be relied and we had Tevez and Rooney as forwards so we innovated and gave Ronaldo a more freedom to get in the box resulting in the 41 goals he scored.

Some guys use the 41 goals argument against Ronaldo , Jesus.