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L r dd wrote:You sound like Golsud and his Pique bashing. Cesc would fit in perfectly he's as good as Xavi.

Messiah wrote:I hope we do, anything is better than Cesc

Messiah wrote:

L r dd wrote:You sound like Golsud and his Pique bashing. Cesc would fit in perfectly he's as good as Xavi.

Super Higuain wrote:LRD/Hlebagone
Cesc dicked Barcelona by leaving on a free and the prospering elsewhere. Add the flirting with Real Madrid and you see why people like Messiah went crazy.

And you certainly got it right with regards to Pique but I think Golsud's objection was that Man Utd stole him and Pique had no problem leaving. And then Barcelona was supposed to BUY their own player back after the way he left. I understand that viewpoint and it is pathetic to see Pique act like he has been totally loyal of something.

Cesc were going to be first team players in the next few years

Iniesta and Xavi there he wouldn't make the first team

Hlebagone wrote:It's nice to see how you contradict yourself in your own post.

Cesc were going to be first team players in the next few years

and

Iniesta and Xavi there he wouldn't make the first team

Torrente wrote:I agree with Messiah's general rationale for not wanting Cesc back, which is exactly why I wouldn't want Mata to come back. These players acted like mercenaries and took advantage of their age status to leave the clubs for free, and hence not allowing the clubs which developed them as players to get a dime back for their efforts. It's different with say Arbeloa's case, where the club released him to Deportivo with a clause that would give the club money with a future transfer, which is why part of the Liverpool fee they paid went to Madrid.

But it's double standards to try and make excuses for Pique, because he did the EXACT SAME THING. Despite some of the things that may have been going on at the club, he still found a way out in which the club got screwed.

And of course, Messiah is also insanely overcritical of Cesc. The truth is that Cesc has done a hell of a lot more than Xavi did at his age. Xavi was not even considered a "crack" until a few years ago, and I remember numerous cules (including sports journals like Sport and El Mundo Deportivo) always complaining that he was an inadequate replacement for Guardiola. At the age that Xavi was making cameo appearances for Van Gaal, Cesc was bossing Arsenal's midfield against the best teams in Europe.

Personally, I find the prospect of Cesc joining Barcelona a lot more frightening than somebody like Ribery. He will not organize a team as well as Xavi does, but his assist and goal tally are significantly better. A midfield with Toure/Iniesta/Cesc could just as damaging as one with Xavi in it.

MightyBarca wrote:I would love to have cesc at barca but i would hate it to pay anything over £30m. Obviously right now Xavi is better than cesc but cesc is much younger and the way he is playing i believe he can go on and be better than xavi in the future.

As for Pique i think all barca fans have forgiven him and same would be for cesc if he comes.

Super Higuain wrote:

Torrente wrote:I agree with Messiah's general rationale for not wanting Cesc back, which is exactly why I wouldn't want Mata to come back. These players acted like mercenaries and took advantage of their age status to leave the clubs for free, and hence not allowing the clubs which developed them as players to get a dime back for their efforts. It's different with say Arbeloa's case, where the club released him to Deportivo with a clause that would give the club money with a future transfer, which is why part of the Liverpool fee they paid went to Madrid.

But it's double standards to try and make excuses for Pique, because he did the EXACT SAME THING. Despite some of the things that may have been going on at the club, he still found a way out in which the club got screwed.

And of course, Messiah is also insanely overcritical of Cesc. The truth is that Cesc has done a hell of a lot more than Xavi did at his age. Xavi was not even considered a "crack" until a few years ago, and I remember numerous cules (including sports journals like Sport and El Mundo Deportivo) always complaining that he was an inadequate replacement for Guardiola. At the age that Xavi was making cameo appearances for Van Gaal, Cesc was bossing Arsenal's midfield against the best teams in Europe.

Personally, I find the prospect of Cesc joining Barcelona a lot more frightening than somebody like Ribery. He will not organize a team as well as Xavi does, but his assist and goal tally are significantly better. A midfield with Toure/Iniesta/Cesc could just as damaging as one with Xavi in it.

Allthough I would say in the case of Mata that he could actually really argue that he wouldn't have gotten a real chance if he stayed because we have proven not to always give those chances out. Still think he went about it the wrong way but that situation is more 50/50 in terms of fucking up. Don't understand why Barcelona are desperate to get Cesc back unless it is to keep him from us(we don't need him now). He certainly wouldn't be worth it considering things are working better now. Instead they should get somebody to take over from Henry whether it be Ribery or somebody else and move Iniesta back.

Torrente wrote:

MightyBarca wrote:I would love to have cesc at barca but i would hate it to pay anything over £30m. Obviously right now Xavi is better than cesc but cesc is much younger and the way he is playing i believe he can go on and be better than xavi in the future.

As for Pique i think all barca fans have forgiven him and same would be for cesc if he comes.

I have to admit that if Mata found a way to make the kind of contributions that Pique is making at Barcelona I would have no choice but to find it in my heart to forgive him

According to Catalan sports paper Sport, incorporated in La Masia
are 15 players from Africa – all under the sponsorship of a football
foundation set up by former Barcelona’s Cameroonian striker Samuel
Eto’o – whose future stay with the Catalan’s club academy may be in
jeopardy. That is because the partnership inked between the two parties
is set to expire on 30 June 2010, and there is yet to be a confirmation
of an extension or renewal of that agreement.
Of these students, the case of Gael Etock and Armand Ella can be a
bit tricky, as according to all the reports submitted the club’s
technical staffs, both 15-year-olds are said to have great potentials,
and the club are sure to want to hold on to them.

Gael Etock, a forward, is currently playing with Barca Juvenil A,
a team filled with players three years older than him. He has attracted
the attention of not only the Catalan club but is also being followed
closely by other big European clubs for his impressive goal-scoring
abilities, a feat he does in all levels of the Barcelona’s youth
divisions that he has played in so far. This Cameroonian youth is so
good that he is expected to debut with Barca Atletic next season.
Armand Ella meanwhile is reported as a strong goalkeeper with very quick reactions. He is current playing with the club’s Juvenil B side.
Commenced four years ago, the list of players brought in by Eto’o’s
Foundation is impressive. Some of taken the decision to leave and join
another club as in the case of Tina Tina, a defender who went to Damm.
But most have stayed, giving remarkable performances in all levels of
Barcelona youth teams such as Enguene, a brilliant midfielder who plays
for Juvenil A. Then there is Dongou and Meva, who are already attracting a lot of attention from scouts all over Europe.
The last ones to arrive are two 11 year-olds named Nelson Mandela
and Camara, who came at a time when Samuel Eto’o was on his way out of
the club this summer, a low point in the relationship between the two
parties.
It is expected that any new deals or contracts with the foundation
or individual student is to be decided by the new board that will come
in after the election.
Nevertheless, those students/players whose scholarship are still
valid can still continue with the academy until it expires, while those
that are nearing 18-years-old, and at the end of bond, can negotiate
some sort of reserve player’s contract with the club individually.
It has to be noted that even if a new agreement is not reached, the
students can still go for other scholarship deals with the club itself
or other foundations but will have to negotiate them individually
themselves.