when will Cesc Fàbregas get the credit he deserves?

of all the players discussed on this board, Fabregas is surely the most underrated?



He is really good at football and is as good, or better than Anderson, Lucas or Obi Mikel in my opinion

Why is it that he is often overlooked when discussing the best players in the Premiership? Surely he is one of the best young midfielders in the league?

Surely?

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Approximately how much credit would you like Cesc Fabregas to receive Cesar Salazar ?

COTR #6 wrote:Approximately how much credit would you like Cesc Fabregas to receive Cesar Salazar ?

I would like him to receive the deserved amount. Approximately 40-50% more credit that he is currently in receipt of.

Glenn accepts Cesc is better than Gerrard.

Gerrard gets 10-15% more credit than he deserves, which is 25-45% more credit than Fabregas deserves and 60-70% more than Fabregas receives.

I think he will get the credit he deserves when he joins Real Madrid next summer.

Jaime wrote:I think he will get the credit he deserves when he joins Real Madrid next summer.

Jaime wrote:I think he will get the credit he deserves when he joins Barca next summer.

Jaime wrote:I think he will get the credit he deserves when he joins Real Madrid next summer.

he still is a world class midfelder and right now is one of the best and i bet if he was english he would so much media attention like other overated english players like walcott, gerrard,ferdinand

I tried to tell my friend once that Fabregas will be better than Xavi and Iniesta in the future, and well it didn't go very well. People tend to underestimate his capabilities, and not only that tend to forget how young he is. He is only going to continue to develop, and I always rate him very highly.

Just sucks that Arsenal can't seem to win a title, I think he would get more recognition that way but recognition is always bad. The last thing Arsenal needs is Barca grabbing him up, so he is free to be amazing and fly under the radar!

Jaime wrote:I think he will get the credit he deserves when he joins Real Madrid next summer.

A dream is different from reality Jamie.

Be ready to be disappointed come the start of next season.

Expectation - reality = disappointment.

Matt_AFC wrote:he still is a world class midfelder and right now is one of the best and i bet if he was english he would so much media attention like other overated english players like walcott, gerrard,ferdinand

Yeah, those players that have actually captained their teams to trophies at the highest level, they are so overrated.

Though I agree Walcott is shit. Half the player he was at Southampton.

The Professor wrote:Expectation - reality = disappointment.

However, expectation + delusion = happiness.

Matt_AFC wrote:he still is a world class midfelder and right now is one of the best and i bet if he was english he would so much media attention like other overated english players like walcott, gerrard,ferdinand, rooney

cesc is great, would get in any team in the world

Bubbles wrote:

The Professor wrote:Expectation - reality = disappointment.

However, expectation + delusion = happiness.

Didn't realise there were so many mathematicians on this board.

But the one you forgot was Florentino + bank loans = [Cristiano Ronaldo + (Xabi Alonso + Kaka) ^ 2] - Benzema

Cesc is on fire.


What a weekend for Barcelona - beat Sevilla 4-0 in Camp Nou, and the next day send a couple of backups over to put two past Bolton

Last summer, I was resigned to the fact that he may leave this summer - and although I would be upset at that, I wasn't overly concerned because we do have Ramsey coming through.

Cesc has been so phenomenal this season though that I'd be devastated if he left in the summer now. I don't think he'd force his way out, but I'm imagining that Madrid will make a stupid offer for him. They have Kaka so its not as though they even need him anyway!

Agree that he doesn't get enough credit in the media (particularly when its the Hanson-Shearer partnership on MOTD - wasn't too bad last night with Keown and Dixon but even they were quite reserved with the praise) - and of course he would get more if he were English.

I think Cesc does alright. On current form, few would deny that he's the best midfielder in the premiership and overall, it'd be a toss up between him, Gerrard and Essien i imagine. Seems reasonable.

Matt_AFC wrote:he still is a world class midfelder and right now is one of the best and i bet if he was english he would so much media attention like other overated english players like walcott, gerrard,ferdinand

Or perhaps if he were French, black and starred in Renault/Gillette commercials he'd get more media attention, rather like that well known overrated player who was at Arsenal for so many years.

From a Spurs fan though - Fabregas is easily the best player in the league currently. And at 22 it's quite scary to think what he can achieve. Once he leaves Arsenal of course

@Ozil - I see Ballack scored his first goal in 18 games for Chelsea. What a player.

Hlebagone wrote:I think Cesc does alright. On current form, few would deny that he's the best midfielder in the premiership and overall, it'd be a toss up between him, Gerrard and Essien i imagine. Seems reasonable.

When Cesc starts winning things he can fairly be compared to Essien and Gerrard. You can play as much nice looking football as you want, but the difference between the very talented players and the truly exceptional ones is winning trophies.

However, that may only happen once he leaves Arsenal. Regardless, he's had an excellent season so far, definitely on the POTY shortlist.

I must disagree with you Bubbles Saint.

A player doesn't have to be winning trophies to be considered a top-class player. Look at your own Le Tissier for example. True, in order to win World Player of the Year Awards and that kind of guff, then playing for a successful club or international nation is imperative, but real fans know that the likes of Shearer and Le Tissier were far better players than say Djimi Traore or David May (both Champions League winners). If United win the league, I don't think anyone will be suggesting Anderson is better than Cisco Flabbergast. Although the bonus will be that a player like Cisco clearly wants to win trophies, and if he can't do that at Arsenal he'll be off. Being Spanish, Madrid or Barca will guarantee silverware for the little dago, so Arsenal fans better hope and pray they can satisfy his needs after a season as good as the one he's having.

he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

7 in the league. He's got 10 in the league this season. It may well dry up, but that's still more than Iniesta or Xavi have ever managed

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

Messi.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

Well he's only 22. They're all slightly different players anywaay, but in terms of effectively changing a game, it could be argued that Cesc is currently the best.

Spider Crouch wrote:I must disagree with you Bubbles Saint.

Disagree away old bean.

A player doesn't have to be winning trophies to be considered a top-class player.

Depends what you mean by 'top class'. To me, the very best players win trophies. I've said the same about Adebayor - talented as he may be, I think that he has to win team trophies (not POTM awards) to truly be considered among the best around.

Look at your own Le Tissier for example.

Le Tissier was a big fish in a small pond, and his lack of ambition stopped him winning trophies. Even I wouldn't say Le Tiss was among the greatest players of his time. Fabregas is a big fish in an allegedly big pond and as I said, if he has the ambition to leave the pond for the mega-ponds of Spain then he'll probably win all the trophies around.

True, in order to win World Player of the Year Awards and that kind of guff, then playing for a successful club or international nation is imperative, but real fans know that the likes of Shearer and Le Tissier were far better players than say Djimi Traore or David May (both Champions League winners).

No one ever made out that David May was as good as Jaap Stam or any of the other top CBs in the league at that time. Likewise, no one ever said it was 'reasonable' to consider Traore among the best LBs in the league at the time.

However, people are explicitly comparing Fabregas to the likes of Essien and Gerrard, far more accomplished and proven players. I am saying that comparison is unjustified. Obviously Fabregas is more talented than David May and Djimi Traore.

If United win the league, I don't think anyone will be suggesting Anderson is better than Cisco Flabbergast.

If United win the league I'm going to stop watching the Premiership. They've been fucking dreadful. Even I, the most staunch critic of Arsenal, will admit they've played considerably better than United this season.

Although the bonus will be that a player like Cisco clearly wants to win trophies, and if he can't do that at Arsenal he'll be off. Being Spanish, Madrid or Barca will guarantee silverware for the little dago, so Arsenal fans better hope and pray they can satisfy his needs after a season as good as the one he's having.

We will see. He is clearly a very talented player. But talent alone does not make a great player. Unless I've missed something his only medal so far came from an FA cup final where he got totally outplayed by Darren Fletcher. In last season's CL semis Essien's major contribution was one of the goals of the tournament, whereas Fabregas's major contribution was diving to get Darren Fletcher sent off.

Tweesus wrote:

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

7 in the league. He's got 10 in the league this season. It may well dry up, but that's still more than Iniesta or Xavi have ever managed

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

Messi.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

Well he's only 22. They're all slightly different players anywaay, but in terms of effectively changing a game, it could be argued that Cesc is currently the best.

see this is what i'm talking about, scores a few goals and automatically he is better than the two best midfielders in the game. take a minute a breath before making such statements.

i think he is getting all the credit he deserves, he is one of the top midfielders in the game and that's it.

is he the best player in the prem, maybe, he doesn't have much to compete against.

drogba
rooney
lampard
torres
gerrard

not much really.

its not like he is having to compete against the likes of

Vila
Ibra
ronaldo
Messi
xavi
iniesta

week in-week out.