when will Cesc Fàbregas get the credit he deserves?

110% wrote:I think the question we should be asking is:

Was xavi as good as cesc at aged 22?

And the answer would be no. The Xavi hype started the last few years, around the time that Dinho made barcelona successful and messi continued it. Of course it is a team game and he contributes to that, but having the best player in the world doesn't half help. Unfortunately Cesc's doesn't have that luxury at Arsenal, he is their best player by far.

Parks lives wrote:Don't you remember him spitting at your favourite player?
One of a few c*ntish things Cesc has done.

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

Xavi's performances are always dependent on the forwards that he is playing for...in his early years the team was a mess both tactically and with regards to quality of the attackers.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

agree with this word for word

don't understand how people can claim he is underrated. Just from reading this thread, everyone is wanking over him, saying he's the best player in the league etc.

He's not a regular starter for his NT. He is no better than Montolivo.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

agree with this word for word

don't understand how people can claim he is underrated. Just from reading this thread, everyone is wanking over him, saying he's the best player in the league etc.

He's not a regular starter for his NT. He is no better than Montolivo.

Romford Pele wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

agree with this word for word

don't understand how people can claim he is underrated. Just from reading this thread, everyone is wanking over him, saying he's the best player in the league etc.

He's not a regular starter for his NT. He is no better than Montolivo.

Now you're just taken it too far.

Romford Pele wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Messiah wrote:he was scoring goals a few season a go and everyone was waxing lyrically about him, but the goals dried up and so did the hype, so it was then, so it will be now.

If he is underrated, then i don't know who is overrated.

this is the same player, that persons were arguing a few seasons back was as good if not better than Xavi.

agree with this word for word

don't understand how people can claim he is underrated. Just from reading this thread, everyone is wanking over him, saying he's the best player in the league etc.

He's not a regular starter for his NT. He is no better than Montolivo.

Now you're just taken it too far.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He is no better than Montolivo.

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He is no better than Montolivo.

That opinion is so laughable now its not even worth biting at...

Allez les rouges wrote:By that logic you can rarely if ever compare a 22-year-old to a 27- or 29-year-old...

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He is no better than Montolivo.

That opinion is so laughable now its not even worth biting at...

You probably don't wach Montolivo.

And you're making you're judgement on form rather than ability.

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He is no better than Montolivo.

That opinion is so laughable now its not even worth biting at...

You probably don't wach Montolivo.

And you're making you're judgement on form rather than ability.

I've seen Montolivo Bobi. He's a good player - I'd say he's probably comparable with the likes of Arteta or Krankjar rather than Cesc, Xavi and Iniesta though.

Romford Pele wrote:This really is a joke.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He is no better than Montolivo.

That opinion is so laughable now its not even worth biting at...

You probably don't wach Montolivo.

And you're making you're judgement on form rather than ability.

I've seen Montolivo Bobi. He's a good player - I'd say he's probably comparable with the likes of Arteta or Krankjar rather than Cesc, Xavi and Iniesta though.

Arteta has no caps, and he plays for an underachieving country like Spain.

Wankjaer doesn't even play the same position as Montolivo, don't know why you brought that up!

Nice try tweeds

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He is no better than Montolivo.

That opinion is so laughable now its not even worth biting at...

You probably don't wach Montolivo.

And you're making you're judgement on form rather than ability.

I've seen Montolivo Bobi. He's a good player - I'd say he's probably comparable with the likes of Arteta or Krankjar rather than Cesc, Xavi and Iniesta though.

Arteta has no caps, and he plays for an underachieving country like Spain.

Wankjaer doesn't even play the same position as Montolivo, don't know why you brought that up!

Nice try tweeds

Underachieving as in the current European Champions? Arteta has competition with the forementioned three. Who does Montolivo have competition with exactly Flopquliani?

Krankjar has played the central attacking midfielder role many times Bobi.

Messiah wrote:Xavi was a key member of Van gaals, title winning team in 98-99 season, who old was he then?.

besides, why do the cesc briage always turn to the he was better than xavi at the same age argument.

Messi and ronaldo, were miles better that zidane at 21/22, but i doubt Laudable laudrup, would used that same argument to suggest that they are/ will be better players.

Truth is that you are comparing players from two different generations.

Xavi and zidane are from a generations, where players were developed to reach their peak between the ages of 26/27-31/32. and you can see that in the way these two players developed.

while this generation of players it seems, are more groomed to peak at an earler age and by they reach their last 20's their best years are behind them. see kaka or dinho for examples.

Laudable Laudrup wrote:I wouldn't bother about Messiah clown. He was spitting vitriol on Pique. But when it worked out, he was called next beckenbaur. Wait for Cesc to join Madrid, Messiah will enter full time with his agendas. Look at his wind-ups against Kaka. Talk about taking advantage of a blip

Messiah wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:I wouldn't bother about Messiah clown. He was spitting vitriol on Pique. But when it worked out, he was called next beckenbaur. Wait for Cesc to join Madrid, Messiah will enter full time with his agendas. Look at his wind-ups against Kaka. Talk about taking advantage of a blip

its more than a blip when is has been poor for 2 and a half years buddy, don't fool yourself to believe that he will ever be as good as he was in milan.

his passing and vision were never that good, his game is build on having pace and the space to use it,he is getting slower and most teams have figured out, that if he doesn't have a few yards to run into he is shit.