when will Cesc Fàbregas get the credit he deserves?

Super Solari wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Bobo,
Xavi never was a playmaker until late in his career. I can digest Messiah regurgitating fables, not you.

So what did he play as then?

What makes you think Cesc will be finished so early?

because he's peaked/peaking at a very young age. It will be hard to keep that up. He will get burnt out.

I agree that it will indeed be hard to keep it up but that doesn't mean he won't. Ronaldo was amazing for a very long time even with a big injury that slowed him down(relatively of course). We will just have to wait and see. An alternative thing that could happen is that he will merely be inconsistent having some great years with some average to bad ones inbetween.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Super Solari wrote:Ronaldo played quite well at the Euro's in 04 but he wasn't their best player. That award goes to the c**ts that are Maniche and Deco. Simao was and almost always has been rather average for his national team. Like Cesc.

Now with Cesc vs Xavi in terms of performance compared to age it is hardly that debateable. Cesc has done more then Xavi at his age without a doubt and he has been a more important player for his team. Now there is a good point that nowadays young players get more of a chance then they used to but that doesn't detract from Xavi's achievment it merely highlights Cesc's qualities. Just because he has performed better then Xavi did at this age it doesn't mean that he will continue to do so.

I mean who would have thought around 2002 that Raul would degress in such a manner just some years later.

I guess the difference is, Cesc moved away from Barca at a young age. If he had stayed, he would be in the shadow of Xavi and Iniesta in his younger years. Instead he moved to Arsenal where he was allowed to be a key player.

Xavi stayed at Barca and was in the shadow of Guardiola and Luis Enrique in his early years. I'm sure if he moved he would've been a key player somewhere else.

Spider Crouch wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Cesc will be like Raul/Kluivert. He will be finished by the time he reaches his mid 20s.

Otto was saying exactly the same thing about Rooney 2 years ago. You don't want to look as silly as Otto do you?

Super Solari wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Bobo,
Xavi never was a playmaker until late in his career. I can digest Messiah regurgitating fables, not you.

So what did he play as then?

What makes you think Cesc will be finished so early?

because he's peaked/peaking at a very young age. It will be hard to keep that up. He will get burnt out.

I agree that it will indeed be hard to keep it up but that doesn't mean he won't. Ronaldo was amazing for a very long time even with a big injury that slowed him down(relatively of course). We will just have to wait and see. An alternative thing that could happen is that he will merely be inconsistent having some great years with some average to bad ones inbetween.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Cesc will be like Raul/Kluivert. He will be finished by the time he reaches his mid 20s.

Otto was saying exactly the same thing about Rooney 2 years ago. You don't want to look as silly as Otto do you?

I didnt say anything about Rooney. We're talking about Cesc. Keep up old bean!

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Cesc will be like Raul/Kluivert. He will be finished by the time he reaches his mid 20s.

Otto was saying exactly the same thing about Rooney 2 years ago. You don't want to look as silly as Otto do you?

I didnt say anything about Rooney. We're talking about Cesc. Keep up old bean!

but its the same point isn't it? Rooney and Cesc both have similar career developments...

Burst onto the stage at 16 or 17. Had their best seasons a couple of years ago. Stagnated for a couple of years. And this year they're back to their best.

Fucking mirrors.

Romford Pele wrote:How can it be hard to keep up? It's not like his game is overly reliant on pace.

Cesc is an intelligent player and is always a step ahead through his mobility and is adept in finding pockets of space.

His vision, awareness and passing ability are his best attributes, so I very doubt this will fall off into his later 20s.

Romford Pele wrote:How can it be hard to keep up? It's not like his game is overly reliant on pace.

Cesc is an intelligent player and is always a step ahead through his mobility and is adept in finding pockets of space.

His vision, awareness and passing ability are his best attributes, so I very doubt this will fall off into his later 20s.

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

Xavi's performances are always dependent on the forwards that he is playing for...in his early years the team was a mess both tactically and with regards to quality of the attackers.

Kluivert was in great form when Xavi became a regular in 2001-2002. Rivaldo was doing good in Europe. The problem wasn't with strikers. Xavi wasn't anywhere as good as today. Luis Enrique was more of a threat because Xavi hadn't developed the final ball. In fact, I vividly remember Xavi playing a piss poor game in midfield in Tie of the century. Makelele and Zidane run strings around him. Barca also had rochembach, geovanni and other tossers. But Xavi had no excuse, he got punked around. Zidane took the ball from him in bernabeu and RAULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Rest is history. Xavi was 22 or 23 I think. He never gave one final ball!

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:How can it be hard to keep up? It's not like his game is overly reliant on pace.

Cesc is an intelligent player and is always a step ahead through his mobility and is adept in finding pockets of space.

His vision, awareness and passing ability are his best attributes, so I very doubt this will fall off into his later 20s.

contradiciton?

MightyBarca wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

Xavi's performances are always dependent on the forwards that he is playing for...in his early years the team was a mess both tactically and with regards to quality of the attackers.

Kluivert was in great form when Xavi became a regular in 2001-2002. Rivaldo was doing good in Europe. The problem wasn't with strikers. Xavi wasn't anywhere as good as today. Luis Enrique was more of a threat because Xavi hadn't developed the final ball. In fact, I vividly remember Xavi playing a piss poor game in midfield in Tie of the century. Makelele and Zidane run strings around him. Barca also had rochembach, geovanni and other tossers. But Xavi had no excuse, he got punked around. Zidane took the ball from him in bernabeu and RAULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Rest is history. Xavi was 22 or 23 I think. He never gave one final ball!

Hey Dickhead have you forgot this classic goal from overmars at anfield where xavi played the final ball???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C--gtzvDUk

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:How can it be hard to keep up? It's not like his game is overly reliant on pace.

Cesc is an intelligent player and is always a step ahead through his mobility and is adept in finding pockets of space.

His vision, awareness and passing ability are his best attributes, so I very doubt this will fall off into his later 20s.

contradiciton?

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Zidane took his country to Euro semis at 24 and became the main playmaker of his country at 22. Zidane helped Bordeaux become a force at home. Moved at 24 to Juve and instantly won Serie A while getting to two CL finals back-to-back. Whichever way you want to look at it, Xavi didn't become a barca/spanish regular at a relative age. Xavi got substituted for Fabregas time and again in Euros. Zidane is a one-man bleu army and someone who is undroppable so much. WE are still facing repercussions for losing him. Xavi needs other players to help him. Xavi was no key member of Van gaals, title winning team in 98-99 season. It's like saying Bojan was key member of ur treble winning season. In fact, Bojan would have appeared more times for farca last season than Xavi would have in 98-99.

PAWNED.

Ronaldo and messi lead their teams to Copa and European Championship finals at what 20 and 19 respectively

Ronaldo help Portugal to the WC semi's at what 21.

While zidane was helping his team become a force at home, these kids, where winning back to back league titles and trebles.

not just miles better, but galaxies apart

As for Xavi and cesc at the Euros, you are just plain fucking stupid, getting substituted right, like spain would have won it with out Xavi.

Xavi made something like 20 appearances in the league in 98-99, bit part indeed. contributing to a league title, what was cesc doing, nothing.

as for zidane days at juve, just proves you don't know jack shit about which you speak, if you are giving zidane credit for what happen at Juve in those years. go back and what some tapes and ask more well in formed persons and you might hear names like Del piero and baggio coming up.

Cesc was eleven you bellend

Bellend. Such a great word

are you really 29?!

Spider Crouch wrote:

Is this a question?

Then the answer is no.

Unless you believe that mobility and pace are the same thing.

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

MightyBarca wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

Xavi's performances are always dependent on the forwards that he is playing for...in his early years the team was a mess both tactically and with regards to quality of the attackers.

Kluivert was in great form when Xavi became a regular in 2001-2002. Rivaldo was doing good in Europe. The problem wasn't with strikers. Xavi wasn't anywhere as good as today. Luis Enrique was more of a threat because Xavi hadn't developed the final ball. In fact, I vividly remember Xavi playing a piss poor game in midfield in Tie of the century. Makelele and Zidane run strings around him. Barca also had rochembach, geovanni and other tossers. But Xavi had no excuse, he got punked around. Zidane took the ball from him in bernabeu and RAULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Rest is history. Xavi was 22 or 23 I think. He never gave one final ball!

Hey Dickhead have you forgot this classic goal from overmars at anfield where xavi played the final ball???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C--gtzvDUk

I was talking about CL semis FFS, you numpty! Not against shitty liverpool side.

Xavi was miserable in that game. He showed his level wasn't good enough. He kept failing for next few seasons as well and Barcelona finally decided to buy Deco and Ronaldinho to do this more often.

Tweesus wrote:Big difference between 'pace' and 'off the ball movement'

Just look at Riquelme. He had no pace whatsoever but he could create space for himself through his movement.

Allez les rouges wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Zidane took his country to Euro semis at 24 and became the main playmaker of his country at 22. Zidane helped Bordeaux become a force at home. Moved at 24 to Juve and instantly won Serie A while getting to two CL finals back-to-back. Whichever way you want to look at it, Xavi didn't become a barca/spanish regular at a relative age. Xavi got substituted for Fabregas time and again in Euros. Zidane is a one-man bleu army and someone who is undroppable so much. WE are still facing repercussions for losing him. Xavi needs other players to help him. Xavi was no key member of Van gaals, title winning team in 98-99 season. It's like saying Bojan was key member of ur treble winning season. In fact, Bojan would have appeared more times for farca last season than Xavi would have in 98-99.

PAWNED.

Ronaldo and messi lead their teams to Copa and European Championship finals at what 20 and 19 respectively

Ronaldo help Portugal to the WC semi's at what 21.

While zidane was helping his team become a force at home, these kids, where winning back to back league titles and trebles.

not just miles better, but galaxies apart

As for Xavi and cesc at the Euros, you are just plain fucking stupid, getting substituted right, like spain would have won it with out Xavi.

Xavi made something like 20 appearances in the league in 98-99, bit part indeed. contributing to a league title, what was cesc doing, nothing.

as for zidane days at juve, just proves you don't know jack shit about which you speak, if you are giving zidane credit for what happen at Juve in those years. go back and what some tapes and ask more well in formed persons and you might hear names like Del piero and baggio coming up.

Cesc was eleven you bellend

Bellend. Such a great word

are you really 29?!

Bellend is a fucking awesome word, have some respect.

You make out players like Fabregas, Ferdinand and Henry are all shit, are you really 23? (don't take offence, I don't have a problem with most of your posts...)

MightyBarca wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

MightyBarca wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

Xavi's performances are always dependent on the forwards that he is playing for...in his early years the team was a mess both tactically and with regards to quality of the attackers.

Kluivert was in great form when Xavi became a regular in 2001-2002. Rivaldo was doing good in Europe. The problem wasn't with strikers. Xavi wasn't anywhere as good as today. Luis Enrique was more of a threat because Xavi hadn't developed the final ball. In fact, I vividly remember Xavi playing a piss poor game in midfield in Tie of the century. Makelele and Zidane run strings around him. Barca also had rochembach, geovanni and other tossers. But Xavi had no excuse, he got punked around. Zidane took the ball from him in bernabeu and RAULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Rest is history. Xavi was 22 or 23 I think. He never gave one final ball!

Hey Dickhead have you forgot this classic goal from overmars at anfield where xavi played the final ball???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C--gtzvDUk

I was talking about CL semis FFS, you numpty! Not against shitty liverpool side.

Xavi was miserable in that game. He showed his level wasn't good enough. He kept failing for next few seasons as well and Barcelona finally decided to buy Deco and Ronaldinho to do this more often.

Oh well he's the 3rd best player in the world now so suck on it

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:He's been shit for the most of decade.

It's only when Woodgate/Vidic were holding his hand that people started wanking over him.

Spider Crouch wrote:Bobo, you're a clown, but a stubborn clown I'll give you that.

Back on the point of Fabregas, even a one-eyed numpty like you should be able to grasp that Fabregas is not going to burn out in his mid-twenties, and that mobility depends more on body mass and balance than it does on raw pace.

So spare us all the pendantic digressions and either back up your "prediction" with something more plausible than just being an argumentative bellend, or jog on