when will Cesc Fàbregas get the credit he deserves?

Allez les rouges wrote:Anyway, feel free to call me or Bernd childish but I do have a rather infantile sense of humour, and my agenda is that words like bellend, just like chram, arschenhalle and homosocialist, are quality. Or maybe have quality. So there.

Laudable Laudrup wrote:

Ronaldo and messi lead their teams to Copa and European Championship finals at what 20 and 19 respectively

Ronaldo help Portugal to the WC semi's at what 21.

Copa

Ronaldo wasn't better than Figo, Maniche, Deco, Simao, etc. He was their best young player.

Zidane was the main 'playmaker'. We created our whole national team around him. When Ronaldo was doing well, he had the golden generation of portugal to help him.

Portugal without Figo = France without Zidane. Pretty much.

Zidane defined golden generation of France and world football. He was up against great R's of brazil, the infinitely talented golden generations of Portugal, Super Argentina, fighting Germans, classy Dutch, fiery Czechs, underdog Croats, etc.

Messi for Argentina.

Let Messi or Ronaldo win their country a WC first. Then we will talk about it.

Allez les rouges wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Zidane took his country to Euro semis at 24 and became the main playmaker of his country at 22. Zidane helped Bordeaux become a force at home. Moved at 24 to Juve and instantly won Serie A while getting to two CL finals back-to-back. Whichever way you want to look at it, Xavi didn't become a barca/spanish regular at a relative age. Xavi got substituted for Fabregas time and again in Euros. Zidane is a one-man bleu army and someone who is undroppable so much. WE are still facing repercussions for losing him. Xavi needs other players to help him. Xavi was no key member of Van gaals, title winning team in 98-99 season. It's like saying Bojan was key member of ur treble winning season. In fact, Bojan would have appeared more times for farca last season than Xavi would have in 98-99.

PAWNED.

Ronaldo and messi lead their teams to Copa and European Championship finals at what 20 and 19 respectively

Ronaldo help Portugal to the WC semi's at what 21.

While zidane was helping his team become a force at home, these kids, where winning back to back league titles and trebles.

not just miles better, but galaxies apart

As for Xavi and cesc at the Euros, you are just plain fucking stupid, getting substituted right, like spain would have won it with out Xavi.

Xavi made something like 20 appearances in the league in 98-99, bit part indeed. contributing to a league title, what was cesc doing, nothing.

as for zidane days at juve, just proves you don't know jack shit about which you speak, if you are giving zidane credit for what happen at Juve in those years. go back and what some tapes and ask more well in formed persons and you might hear names like Del piero and baggio coming up.

Cesc was eleven you bellend

Laudable Laudrup wrote: you twit.

c**t rates Copa as equal as Euros. With huge respects to the federation, it's no where close to Euros.

Getting stats out of your arse.

Baggio played better at Juve

Allez les rouges wrote:Bobo: mine not to reason whether your agendas dictate that these players are hactually shit or merely average. I still think they're misguided and unfair prejudices. I may not like players like Gerrard or Rooney, but I don't make out they're rubbish (maybe a touch overrated in the former case).

Anyway, feel free to call me or Bernd childish but I do have a rather infantile sense of humour, and my agenda is that words like bellend, just like chram, arschenhalle and homosocialist, are quality. Or maybe have quality. So there.

Messiah wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Zidane took his country to Euro semis at 24 and became the main playmaker of his country at 22. Zidane helped Bordeaux become a force at home. Moved at 24 to Juve and instantly won Serie A while getting to two CL finals back-to-back. Whichever way you want to look at it, Xavi didn't become a barca/spanish regular at a relative age. Xavi got substituted for Fabregas time and again in Euros. Zidane is a one-man bleu army and someone who is undroppable so much. WE are still facing repercussions for losing him. Xavi needs other players to help him. Xavi was no key member of Van gaals, title winning team in 98-99 season. It's like saying Bojan was key member of ur treble winning season. In fact, Bojan would have appeared more times for farca last season than Xavi would have in 98-99.

PAWNED.

Ronaldo and messi lead their teams to Copa and European Championship finals at what 20 and 19 respectively

Ronaldo help Portugal to the WC semi's at what 21.

While zidane was helping his team become a force at home, these kids, where winning back to back league titles and trebles.

not just miles better, but galaxies apart

As for Xavi and cesc at the Euros, you are just plain fucking stupid, getting substituted right, like spain would have won it with out Xavi.

Xavi made something like 20 appearances in the league in 98-99, bit part indeed. contributing to a league title, what was cesc doing, nothing.

as for zidane days at juve, just proves you don't know jack shit about which you speak, if you are giving zidane credit for what happen at Juve in those years. go back and what some tapes and ask more well in formed persons and you might hear names like Del piero and baggio coming up.

Cesc was eleven you bellend

are you a man fooker or something, whats with the you know what reference.

sorry i won't swing that way.

just answer the question, what had cesc won at club leve, by age 19, thats right nothing

20 nothing
21, nothing
22 nothing

Laudable Laudrup wrote:Zidane didn't move earlier in his career, or he would have won many such awards. He was brilliant at that age. Took bordeaux as much as he could and then went into Juve, and immediately won trophy & got them to CL finals, back to back. Anyway, El Fenomeno was dominating at 19 and he is much better than Messis & Ronaldos. He was unplayable and yet Zidane is the only player in the generation to compare favorably to him. Says it all about the great man.