The world's best Central defender?

How can you say that when he hasn't played for the last year and appears to have a very serious knee injury?

Worms gets owned yet again, from a 2 year old thread that he decided to bump

Self-pwnage

worms wrote:I'm sorry to bump such an old thread but it's a amazing how underrated Samuel is or at least was on here,Samuel with 0 votes,Terry with 4 and Ferdinand with 7

Look at Ferdinand without his pace now,he's not half the player.

The Samuel thing has been done to death on here, you're about 1 and a half season too late.

It's what brought me and Bobo so close

Interesting that you should rate Vidic as the best in the Premier League. If there was ever the epitomy of the big aggressive brick shithouse defender with minor technical skill, it's Nemanda.

I'd go with Hleb. In the DPL, Kompany, Koscielny, King (still even now with an entire knee ligament missing), Coloccini, Agger are all excellent.

I dislike Terry. But the distinction between him and Samuel/Vidic never seemed justified.

Metta World Peace wrote:

In the DPL, Kompany, Koscielny, King (still even now with an entire knee ligament missing), Coloccini, Agger are all excellent.

none of these players ever played in the Dutch Premier League.

serious bone rage.

Hlebagone wrote:How can you say that when he hasn't played for the last year and appears to have a very serious knee injury?

For the last year?

What drugs have you been using?

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:How can you say that when he hasn't played for the last year and appears to have a very serious knee injury?

For the last year?

What drugs have you been using?

Season.

Making pathetic distinctions doesn't make you any less wrong.

Metta World Peace wrote:

worms wrote:I'm sorry to bump such an old thread but it's a amazing how underrated Samuel is or at least was on here,Samuel with 0 votes,Terry with 4 and Ferdinand with 7

Look at Ferdinand without his pace now,he's not half the player.

The Samuel thing has been done to death on here, you're about 1 and a half season too late.

It's what brought me and Bobo so close

Interesting that you should rate Vidic as the best in the Premier League. If there was ever the epitomy of the big aggressive brick shithouse defender with minor technical skill, it's Nemanda.

I'd go with Hleb. In the DPL, Kompany, Koscielny, King (still even now with an entire knee ligament missing), Coloccini, Agger are all excellent.

If you think the likes of King and Agger are better than Vidic then I don't know what to say.Don't tell me you think those defenders are as good as Samuel as well?

One bad year in La Liga means Samuel isn't a great defender?

What nonsense he's easily better than every defender in that poll apart from Nesta.

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:How can you say that when he hasn't played for the last year and appears to have a very serious knee injury?

For the last year?
What drugs have you been using?

Marijuana. It opens the mind man. Don't let the Khazars in Government tell you otherwise.

Oooh. there goes a flying pink hippo. Arsene, sign him up now and make him a legend!

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:How can you say that when he hasn't played for the last year and appears to have a very serious knee injury?

For the last year?

What drugs have you been using?

Season.

Making pathetic distinctions doesn't make you any less wrong.

He hasn't been injured the whole season,he has been injured since December and when he played in December he was still clearly at his peak,that was 3/4 months ago.

So 3/4 months ago is not even close to a year is it? Get your facts straight.

Vidic is still the best defender in the DPL.

And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

There are no good defenders in la liga!

Jaime wrote:There are no good defenders in la liga!

They don't have to be because the midfields are so frickin' good

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

By the end of the season which has 38 leagues games he will have made 6 appearances, and if manu win the league he won't get a medal.

Metta World Peace wrote:

Jaime wrote:There are no good defenders in la liga!

They don't have to be because the midfields are so frickin' good

Puyol is still probably the best which says it all really.

Pepe and Sergio Ramos could be world class if they weren't both so mental all the time.

Gonzalo I think on his day is as good as any defender in the world but he is usually injured so meh.

Of the kiddies Mikel San Jose, Victor Ruiz, and Jorge Pulido all have a lot of potential.

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

1) The assertion that Vidic is the best defender in the world is far more debatable than Messi being the best defender in the world.

2) A 30 year old missing pretty much the whole season through injury is different to a 24 year old missing the whole season. He won't be out for 3/4 months. He's injured for at least 6 months. Look how quickly Ferdinand has gone downhill since a few injuries at a similar age.

Jaime wrote:There are no good defenders in la liga!

It's ok because we great attacking football instead.

Worms, you're a curiously complex, swirling mist of contradiction, given Vidic is both fairly limited as a footballer and been helped out by some debatable refereeing decisions on a number of occassions.

Whilst I don't think Vidic is bad, he's a very good brickwall type defender, but:

1) He's technically very limited. Even more so than other apparent "woodcutters" like Terry
2) His disciplinary record is appalling (and so often the cause of why people believe United have a hand with the refs - particularly the number of times he should be doesn't get send off), thus proving his rather large archilles heel: playing against attackers with any pace or nous, he so often gets caught flat footed and ends up fouling.

He is excellent in the air and physically, but Koscielny, King, Agger, Coloccini are far better individual all rounders. You rarely see these guys get caught out by pace. In the case of King, he is regarded by Thierry Henry as the best and cleanest defender he faced in his time in the DPL.

Even Thierry Henry said it

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

1) The assertion that Vidic is the best defender in the world is far more debatable than Messi being the best defender in the world.

2) A 30 year old missing pretty much the whole season through injury is different to a 24 year old missing the whole season. He won't be out for 3/4 months. He's injured for at least 6 months. Look how quickly Ferdinand has gone downhill since a few injuries at a similar age.

I'm not arguing that Vidic is the best defender in the world you moron.

Vidic is the serbian Samuel - true story!!!

Jaime wrote:Vidic is the serbian Samuel - true story!!!

NAILED IT!

Jaime knows

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

1) The assertion that Vidic is the best defender in the world is far more debatable than Messi being the best defender in the world.

2) A 30 year old missing pretty much the whole season through injury is different to a 24 year old missing the whole season. He won't be out for 3/4 months. He's injured for at least 6 months. Look how quickly Ferdinand has gone downhill since a few injuries at a similar age.

I'm not arguing that Vidic is the best defender in the world you moron.

Premier league. My point still stands. You're such a cliched wum. Going off on a tangentt as opposed to actually having debates. Second time today you've failed to reply to any of my points. Good work.

Metta World Peace wrote:Worms, you're a curiously complex, swirling mist of contradiction, given Vidic is both fairly limited as a footballer and been helped out by some debatable refereeing decisions on a number of occassions.

Whilst I don't think Vidic is bad, he's a very good brickwall type defender, but:

1) He's technically very limited. Even more so than other apparent "woodcutters" like Terry
2) His disciplinary record is appalling (and so often the cause of why people believe United have a hand with the refs - particularly the number of times he should be doesn't get send off), thus proving his rather large archilles heel: playing against attackers with any pace or nous, he so often gets caught flat footed and ends up fouling.

He is excellent in the air and physically, but Koscielny, King, Agger, Coloccini are far better individual all rounders. You rarely see these guys get caught out by pace. In the case of King, he is regarded by Thierry Henry as the best and cleanest defender he faced in his time in the DPL.

Even Thierry Henry said it

You are first person I've ever witnessed saying players like King,Agger and Coloccini are better than Vidic.

Why do you keep on bringing up Agger,he's not even our best CB,it makes it hard to take your argument seriously.

Out of interest who do you think is the better defender,King or Samuel?

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

1) The assertion that Vidic is the best defender in the world is far more debatable than Messi being the best defender in the world.

2) A 30 year old missing pretty much the whole season through injury is different to a 24 year old missing the whole season. He won't be out for 3/4 months. He's injured for at least 6 months. Look how quickly Ferdinand has gone downhill since a few injuries at a similar age.

I'm not arguing that Vidic is the best defender in the world you moron.

Premier league. My point still stands. You're such a cliched wum. Going off on a tangentt as opposed to actually having debates. Second time today you've failed to reply to any of my points. Good work.

Vidic played at his peak 3/4 months ago...that's why most sane people still think he's the best CB in the DPL.

IMO King is better than Samuel because he doesn't need to have 10 of 11 players defending to play well. King plays in a team that exposes him a lot and he is still boss. Plus Samuel is a dirty f*cker. Jedi master of the "dark arts" as kas would say.

Plus King plays on one leg #winner

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

1) The assertion that Vidic is the best defender in the world is far more debatable than Messi being the best defender in the world.

2) A 30 year old missing pretty much the whole season through injury is different to a 24 year old missing the whole season. He won't be out for 3/4 months. He's injured for at least 6 months. Look how quickly Ferdinand has gone downhill since a few injuries at a similar age.

I'm not arguing that Vidic is the best defender in the world you moron.

Premier league. My point still stands. You're such a cliched wum. Going off on a tangentt as opposed to actually having debates. Second time today you've failed to reply to any of my points. Good work.

Vidic played at his peak 3/4 months ago...that's why most sane people still think he's the best CB in the DPL.

Better.
He's out for at least three more months. There's no guarantee that he'll return to form after that, as witnessed by Ferdinand's demise.

Also, I fail to see how he was the best player in the EPL. He regularly got caught out of position if united were left open at all, and had to resort to fouling players to compensate it. Hence the amount of red card incidents he was involved on.

And technically, Terry is a better player. Disgusting as that may seem.

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

worms wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:And up until December, he played 10 matches in all competitions. In doing so, he can hardly have been at his peak, otherwise he would have started more. The league did start in august after all.

He was clearly at his peak when he played.

If Messi was injured for 3/4 months would you say he is no longer the best player in the world?

1) The assertion that Vidic is the best defender in the world is far more debatable than Messi being the best defender in the world.

2) A 30 year old missing pretty much the whole season through injury is different to a 24 year old missing the whole season. He won't be out for 3/4 months. He's injured for at least 6 months. Look how quickly Ferdinand has gone downhill since a few injuries at a similar age.

I'm not arguing that Vidic is the best defender in the world you moron.

Premier league. My point still stands. You're such a cliched wum. Going off on a tangentt as opposed to actually having debates. Second time today you've failed to reply to any of my points. Good work.

Vidic played at his peak 3/4 months ago...that's why most sane people still think he's the best CB in the DPL.

Better.
He's out for at least three more months. There's no guarantee that he'll return to form after that, as witnessed by Ferdinand's demise.

Also, I fail to see how he was the best player in the EPL. He regularly got caught out of position if united were left open at all, and had to resort to fouling players to compensate it. Hence the amount of red card incidents he was involved on.

And technically, Terry is a better player. Disgusting as that may seem.

Vidic's last game was a loss to Basel, where he was carried off on 43 min At the time manu were 1-0 down, hardly demonstrating his peak.

BTW check out John Terry's passing stats, better than Biscuits:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/swansea-city/9017511/Swanseas-Leon-Britton-has-better-passing-stats-than-Xavi.html

Jaime wrote:IMO King is better than Samuel because he doesn't need to have 10 of 11 players defending to play well. King plays in a team that exposes him a lot and he is still boss. Plus Samuel is a dirty f*cker. Jedi master of the "dark arts" as kas would say.

No way I'm not having that,Samuel doesn't need his team to play that defensive,when he played for Madrid weren't the whole defense playing shit and wasn't the team so unbalanced that the defense didn't have any cover at all?Plus he only had 1 season and had to adapt to a new league.I think you are letting the fact he played poorly for your team affect your judgement.

Samuel is a great defender,one of the best in the last 20 years.King has been good in the DPL nothing more.Samuel has proved himself in the CL and WC,King hasn't really.