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    Post by Brian2468 Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:50 am

    Puro wrote:Arsenal to park their jumbo plane, and play counter attacking football against Barça. No surprises at all, the London media will hype this game as the "beautiful game between the TWO teams that play beautiful football"...BULLSHITE!

    Arsenal WILL LOOK like Rubin Kazan against Barcelona, WILL LOOK like minnows just like them Mancs against Barça in last CL's Final. Having said that, Arsenal-unlike the Mancs- do have a chance to beat Barcelona. They may pull a Rubin Kazan, and any talks that Arsenal play beautiful football (NOT AGAINST THE BEST TEAM!) shall be squashed! <Ale>

    This Arsenal team cannot park the bus they will have an even worse chance winning. Shutting down the middle and isolating Messi will be there there objective defensively same with Barca they will prevent Arsenal from controlling the game in the middle. Barca should walk all over Arsenal the way most people think. All Wenger needs to beat them with more ball possession beating them at there own game tall order but one worth applying and Arsenal could surprise everyone.
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    Post by fcb Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:01 am

    Looks like this tie has really caught the board's imagination Laughing


    My thoughts:

    Clearly it's a very interesting matchup. I feel Barça are narrow favourites, but it's pretty close to 50-50 for me. In the CL it all depends on how the individuals perform on a given night, and any mistakes/off-colour performances carry the maximum penalty of a knockout. We've seen that the Arsenal players tend to do stupid things quite often, but you can't say they won't pull it together for 2 legs.


    We all know that both teams like to keep possession and play a lot of passes before attempting to shoot. The shape of both sides is also identical, esp. this season with Wenger changing to a 4-3-3 (IIRC he commented on its usefulness for Arsenal after seeing the CL final last year). So IMO the advantage is created by the team that can:

    1. Keep the ball for longer
    2. Win the ball back as fast as possible

    In both cases I give Barça the advantage, because our players' circulation of the ball is much faster than Arsenal's, and the pressing when the other team has the ball is more consistent than Arsenal's.

    However it's also key that the team doesn't make the tactical mistakes that they've made in some games this season. For example the 1st half against Valencia recently: the defensive line was not high enough, and the passing was too direct. If the defensive line pushes up close to midfield, it reduces the amount of space that Arsenal have to play in.

    And while Arsenal get lots of teams trying to stop them from playing with physical tactics, I don't think they get too many teams that stop them from playing by eliminating their time and space on the ball. So a repeat of the suffocation tactics from the 2nd leg against Stuttgart will be important if Barça want to have a more comfortable match.


    It's also a waste of time to compare players in like-for-like positions. What you need to do is compare the matchups in different areas of the pitch.

    Clichy has the pace to handle Messi, but I don't think he can take care of both Messi and Alves. Presumably Song or Denilson will have to help him out...if it's the former, that takes away a key player from the centre of Arsenal's midfield. If it's the latter, then it's no problem for Messi and Alves to still create danger.


    Then on the left you have Sagna against either Henry or Pedro. I really hope Henry doesn't play in the 1st leg at the Emirates. Not that I doubt his professionalism, but like Beckham at Old Trafford, at the back of his mind he'll want to try and be "nice" to the Arsenal fans, not do anything that might annoy them. Plus he doesn't really have the pace that would trouble Sagna. Same goes for Pedro, he's good at scoring goals, but lacks the ability on the ball to trouble someone fast and experienced like Sagna. I'd play Iniesta here...he's not particularly fast, but if you get the ball off him fairly, give yourself a pat on the back.


    Song is a very good player, I think he'll be able to deal with our central attacks and give good cover for Campbell. Because if you get Messi or Iniesta running directly at Campbell, that will create problems for Arsenal. The other thing to watch out for is passes behind the defense that turn Campbell/Vermaelen. But for this to happen, Henry needs to play in the middle, because Ibrahomovic doesn't seem to make those runs.


    Defensively for Barça, the only major worry is Arshavin's shooting and dribbling ability from the left, esp. against Alves who will sometimes be backtracking like a madman.

    Our back 4 gives up a few chances each game, and if the other team is efficient enough, they can take advantage. Pique will handle Bendtner, and if Abidal is back, his pace means there won't be problems from whoever's on the right.

    Setpieces are usually a problem for our defenders but apart from Campbell and Vermaelen there's no real threat from Arsenal in this regard. Indeed, Puyol/Pique/Ibrahimovic/Keita will probably fancy themselves against the Arsenal defense, which we know is quite disorganised on corners.


    Cesc will be influential regardless of whether Toure or Busquets play. I'm not getting into the pointless Song vs. Busquets debate, but I'll say that the criticism of Busquets is fast turning him into an underrated player from the slightly overrated player that he was until now. De Guzman is right though when he says that the Arsenal midfielders, esp. the likes of Nasri and Rosicky, should run directly at him and try to draw dangerous fouls.


    In fact, now that I think of it, I'd like to see Keita in the midfield. His energy and ability to go box to box can really unbalance Arsenal. I know most Barça fans on the board won't agree with me, but this is the starting lineup I want to see for the first leg:

    Valdes
    Alves-Puyol-Pique-Abidal
    Toure-Keita
    Xavi
    Messi-Ibrahimovic-Iniesta


    Pep may try to squeeze Marquez in there, I really hope he doesn't Grr



    Edit: Forgot to mention...Barça seem to trade victories with all the English clubs in recent years. Happened with Chelsea and Man. Utd., so if this "revenge theory" is an omen (may have some truth to it from the aspect of a greater hunger to win), then Arsenal will go through pale


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    Post by Kroos Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:14 am

    what about henry?

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    Post by fcb Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:19 am

    As I said in the middle of my post, I don't think Henry will be mentally or physically good enough to make an impact.
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    Post by fcb Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:44 am

    Interesting article from the Times, where they ask Hleb to preview the tie. According to him, it's Arsenal and not Barça that are faster at moving the ball...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article7069644.ece
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    Post by Jaime Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:10 pm

    I would agree that Arsenal move the ball faster. Barcelona are better at keeping the ball but they often do so at snail's pace.

    Also kas you mention this mismatch of Clichy vs. Messi + Dani Alves (assuming that Messi even plays on the right, it seems that in a lot of these big CL fixtures Pepe employs him as a false '9') but you fail to mention how Alves' bursting forward could open things up for Arshavin at the end other end. I would fancy Arshavin to get the better of Puyol more times than not if he has to slide over and cover for Dani Alves.

    Really hope Busquets plays and NOT Toure Yaya! Biggrin
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    Post by Guest Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:11 pm

    First i don't think messi will be playing on the right, i think pep will stick with his new 4-2-3-1 formation of the rest of the season.

    2) people always talk about alves bombing forward and how teams will do this and that, and as of yet, we have never really truly suffered during a game because of alves of him going forward.

    its as if they think alves getting forward, is something he isn't instructed to do, and the team as ways of deal with this, if abidal is back and pep plays yaya, then we will do what we have always done, which is which to a back 3, with pique cover the right flank when alves gets forward, and yaya dropping deep.


    I Think song, will play a bid role in this game, as he will be coming up directly against messi down the middle, and arsenal chances will depend on how well he deals with him.

    I also agree with jaime, that arsenal move the ball faster than us, we are just better a keep possession.

    Our team will be

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    ---Alves---Pique--Puyol---Abidal

    --------Yaya/Kieta---Xavi

    ---Pedro------Messi----Iniesta

    ---------------Ibra

    we will need ibra to use in body well in this game.

    I don't think busquets will be starting, the away game.


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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:17 pm

    Jaime wrote:I would agree that Arsenal move the ball faster. Barcelona are better at keeping the ball but they often do so at snail's pace.

    Also kas you mention this mismatch of Clichy vs. Messi + Dani Alves (assuming that Messi even plays on the right, it seems that in a lot of these big CL fixtures Pepe employs him as a false '9') but you fail to mention how Alves' bursting forward could open things up for Arshavin at the end other end. I would fancy Arshavin to get the better of Puyol more times than not if he has to slide over and cover for Dani Alves.

    Really hope Busquets plays and NOT Toure Yaya! Biggrin

    The fastness of play by Arsenal can be problematic for Barcelona. They only must believe in themselves to outplay them.
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    Post by Guest Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:32 pm

    I am looking forward to seeing the two top attacking teams clash on the
    pitch and in my opinion we will nick it in camp nou.
    And to set the record straight contrary to what all Barca thinks of
    Arsenal hating getting drawn with you guys ... its the contrary we are
    HOping we get you in QF as it happened cause I feel confident we can
    beat you in your own game.
    Yes Messi is awesome but personally im not bothered with what he can do.


    Yes he can dribble and skip defenders but thats because La Liga in IMO
    doenst play physical football and there is no team in La Liga who can
    play aggressive tough football like the EPL teams play. We have dealt
    with that physical aspect that EPL teams have dished to stop us playing
    our our brand of football and we are successful agaisnt it. Yes Iniesta Xavi Messi can play but I bet my socks ... that
    if they play in Premiership theill be eaten alive by the tough tackling
    teams in EPL. they woulnt have even have the time to realize what hit
    them ...

    and regarding your defense Puyol will have a nightmare dealing with our
    pacy wingers and it proven so many times that you got a dodgy defense
    as well.. that with a laid back teams youve played in La Liga but again
    with pace and physical aspect ofthe game I think youll gonna struggle.
    PEACE !!!

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    Post by Romford Pele Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:11 pm

    So? I could probably find an idiotic comment from a Barca fan without labelling a source. What's your point?
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    Post by Guest Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:26 pm

    Romford Pele wrote:So? I could probably find an idiotic comment from a Barca fan without labelling a source. What's your point?

    that someone like you would reply.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:31 am

    Luis wrote:Reina
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    The rest are pretty hit and miss ok

    lol!

    You're such a tool sometimes luis.

    Jaaskaleinen, Friedel, Hart and Schwarzer are all better than James IMO.
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    Post by fcb Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:26 pm

    This is even worse than I was expecting:


    "Whenever there is a draw for the Champions League I'm in pain," he told Sky Sports.

    "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

    "It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

    When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

    "The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

    "Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years, I am getting old now."



    Fucking pussy.

    As I said, he shouldn't get anywhere near the starting 11 at least for the first leg, but if he really isn't up for playing, then Pep should leave him out of the 18 man squad and fine him for being unprofessional Ale
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:31 pm

    He really is a drama queen.
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    Post by Brian2468 Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:41 pm

    Wenger should of thrown a boot at him before he left.
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    Post by Super Progress Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:53 pm

    At least he has an excuse now for not playing in a big game. Very Happy

    If they meet Inter in the semis he could say that he is still hurt about the way he left Italy and it would bring it all back if they met another italian side. In the end though this is much better for Barcelona and I don't know that he would have started anyway.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:14 pm

    I'd love Barca to play him.

    12 vs 10 I could cope with, especially if one of the other ten is zlatan Very Happy
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    Post by Fade out Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:00 pm

    forget henry and Ibra, Busquets should play Ale
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    Post by Super Progress Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:06 pm

    Fenomeno wrote:forget henry and Ibra, Busquets should play Ale
    12 vs 8 Yikes

    Allthough I gues Arsenal would find a way to bottle even such an advantage.
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    Post by Fade out Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:09 pm

    Super Pellegrini wrote:
    Fenomeno wrote:forget henry and Ibra, Busquets should play Ale
    12 vs 8 Yikes

    Allthough I gues Arsenal would find a way to bottle even such an advantage.
    I too think..
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    Post by SuperMario Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:22 pm

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    Fenomeno wrote:forget henry and Ibra, Busquets should play The Arsenal v FC Barcelona - Page 5 F_ale2
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    Allthough I gues Arsenal would find a way to bottle even such an advantage.
    we could play without goalie, 13 vs 8
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:31 pm

    11 vs 8 don't you mean?
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    Post by SuperMario Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:33 pm

    Nope.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:27 pm

    [quote="kas"]

    "Whenever there is a draw for the Champions League I'm in pain," he told Sky Sports.

    "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

    "It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

    When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

    "The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

    "Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years, I am getting old now."


    A fucking Legend!

    Super Pellegrini wrote:
    At least he has an excuse now for not playing in a big game

    If they meet Inter in the semis he could say that he is still hurt about the way he left Italy and it would bring it all back if they met another italian side.

    If this was meant to be funny then u are a poor comedian considering the fact he raped Inter (and other Italian teams) during his time with us.

    As for the match itself, Barca are the better team and are the favourites to go through but we are the sort of team that could cause them problems. And playing against them could be easier for us than say playing against Inter or Chelsea coz footballing wise we are from the same 'family'.

    I'm sure the Chelsea and the United games have taught us(at least i hope so) not to go gung-ho, even if we go a goal down, so we might(should) be cautious in the 1st leg and then maybe really go for it at the Camp Nou.

    I hope Wenger plays Eboue and Clichy on the left for us for two reasons:

    1) Because that side is by far Barca's strongest. Eboue is very good on 1 v 1, he's pocketed a lot of top attacking players before, and we know Messi mostly cuts inside, which means he will be cutting in on Eboue's strongest foot(the right), so advantage Eboue. Also, it looks like Clichy is his old self again(after being out of form for more than a year), which is good news, coz on form he's not easy to play against, just ask Lennon or Ronaldo. I just hope he doesn't go back to the Clichy we saw last season and the start of this season. Having those 2(Clichy and Eboue) on one side could make life very difficult for Messi and Alves.

    2) Both of them are good ball carriers which would be vital in taking advantage of the space vacated by Alves. Take Alves out of the equation and Barca have got a slow backline, I doubt they'll fancy giving Clichy and Eboue so much space to run into, so Alves might hold back a bit.

    Whatever Wenger decides i hope we don't line up as we do against any other team ie focusing only our game. We should be looking to stiffle them, create surprises, make them throw away their gameplan out of the window as soon as the game starts, create doubts/misunderstandings and try to take adavantage in those moments etc


    Even if we go with Arshavin on the left, then Diaby and Song should play a strict holding role to help cover the flanks(as Arshavin doesn't always track back), they should not venture beyond the half way line, which means we'll be playing a 4-2-3-1 formation. 4-3-3 should be an absolute no no, u don't play that formation against superior opponents.

    Inshort, i think we should mainly stay in our half, very compact, press them senseless and then quickly break forward with the ball. You'll always get a chance playing that way against Barca, i have seen atletico madrid get so much joy playing that way against them over the years.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:37 pm

    COTR #6 wrote:
    Romford Pele wrote:I love how COATER always assumes everything is a foregone conclusion.

    I gave you a 10% chance meaning it is not a forgone conclusion.

    Had I said 100% - 0% you would have a point.


    Are Barcelona heavy favourites to win this game


    Yes they are

    I'd be very worried reading this if i was a Barca fan given how u spectacularly gets it wrong when talking about anything Arsenal related Very Happy

    I think Barca are the favourite to go through, but i'm starting to doubt that at the moment(and might soon completely change my mind) after reading your post above.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:02 pm

    [quote="The Professor"]
    kas wrote:

    "Whenever there is a draw for the Champions League I'm in pain," he told Sky Sports.

    "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

    "It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

    When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

    "The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

    "Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years, I am getting old now."


    A fucking Legend!

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    At least he has an excuse now for not playing in a big game

    If they meet Inter in the semis he could say that he is still hurt about the way he left Italy and it would bring it all back if they met another italian side.

    If this was meant to be funny then u are a poor comedian considering the fact he raped Inter (and other Italian teams) during his time with us.

    He raped Inter (managerless and just lost to Lokomotiv) and Roma (midtable in Serie A) in the group phases.

    I'm suprised even his biggest fan could defend this - what a spineless c**t !

    I hated his reaction to Messi at the end last night - people will say he is just supportive of a team-mate but he just wanted to bask in Messi's glory and remind people that he still exists.

    He is such a joke.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:32 pm

    kas wrote:This is even worse than I was expecting:


    "Whenever there is a draw for the Champions League I'm in pain," he told Sky Sports.

    "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

    "It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

    When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

    "The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

    "Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years, I am getting old now."



    Fucking pussy.

    As I said, he shouldn't get anywhere near the starting 11 at least for the first leg, but if he really isn't up for playing, then Pep should leave him out of the 18 man squad and fine him for being unprofessional Ale

    this really is incredibly gay.

    Come on Thierry, man up for fuck's sake.

    He's a professional footballer. Follow Mourinho's lead - he balanced his sentiment with professionalism perfectly when he went back to chelsea. Or Beckham

    Players are always coming up against their old clubs. Silly overly dramatic c**t Ale
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    Post by Dualist Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:54 pm

    Yeah, He really should do a Beckham, trying to advertise (like everything in his life) his professionalism, and turn up to be utter tripe on the pitch.

    Henry doesn't merit a starting place based on this season. He is past it. There ends the debate. No need to knock a dead horse
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:58 pm

    Dualist wrote:Yeah, He really should do a Beckham, trying to advertise (like everything in his life) his professionalism, and turn up to be utter tripe on the pitch.

    Henry doesn't merit a starting place based on this season. He is past it. There ends the debate. No need to knock a dead horse

    Beckham's professionalism cannot be called into question by anyone.

    Henry could learn a thing or two in this respect.

    If I were a Barca fan, I'd be livid with his reaction. What a tool
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    Post by L r dd Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:59 pm

    Dualist wrote:Yeah, He really should do a Beckham, trying to advertise (like everything in his life) his professionalism, and turn up to be utter tripe on the pitch.

    Henry doesn't merit a starting place based on this season. He is past it. There ends the debate. No need to knock a dead horse

    Becks was great against us mate.

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