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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:23 pm

    Is weird that Spurs have got these results without Palacios!

    Having a team from outside the big 4 in CL won't be great - United, 'pool, Chelsea and Arsenal have lots of experience of playing CL and EPL and even they find it a struggle.

    Spurs would do a Real Sociedad/Celta Vigo.
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    Post by Dualist Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:27 pm

    Even in last two games, He was good overall but attacking-wise, played only simple passes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/7E0Fop1q6kSu4wNDOZ02
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    Post by L r dd Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:29 pm

    Dualist wrote:Even in last two games, He was good overall but attacking-wise, played only simple passes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/7E0Fop1q6kSu4wNDOZ02

    Nitpicking and over analysis IMO...guy played very well and has whenever ive watched Spurs. Rarely gives the ball away and pops up everywhere. The stats Debaser showed aint great but think he's having a good season myself.

    @ Pierre they'll do a Leeds and reach the semi's. They have players equal to most teams out there but they'll be underestimated by the rest of europe. Though wouldn't be surprised to see them go 4-0 up v Real Madrid then bottle it or something.
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    Post by Dualist Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:32 pm

    debaser wrote:Modric was good what I saw yesterday, but he's not been on great form otherwise. His league stats are 2 goals, 3 assists. Not particularly great for a player in his position, even if he has had injuries.
    He was better last season. Still hoping he would regain some form. Croatia have suffered in their world cup qualification because of his absence by injuries, but also because of lack of form when he played..
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:34 pm

    3 EPL assists - isn't that 3 times as many as Arshavin has ?
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:36 pm

    To be fair Modric's end product could be a lot better, but I expect that to improve in time.

    As a side, we can be terribly wasteful.


    --------------------Gomes

    Corluka-----Dawson----Bassong-------Bale

    ----------Huddlestone-----Palacios

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    Still think Bale's future is at LB long-term. Amazing athlete that boy is.

    Palacios is still vital to us despite these last 2 results. Arsenal & Chelsea never had their top DM's either so it was kinda cancelled out.

    That being said I'm not sure how long the guys could keep such an effort up - it seemed the midfield quartet, & the the front 2 all had to go the extra mile to make up for the loss of Wilson.

    Also without him, 'arry had us play our best 2 tactical (never his strong suit) games of the season, so well done to him & the coaching staff. Amazingly organised, which isn't something you would associate with Spurs.
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    Post by Dualist Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:41 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:3 EPL assists - isn't that 3 times as many as Arshavin has ?
    He has 3 in EPL too (Hull, Bolton, Everton)
    Joint (with Gilardino) highest number of assists in CL - 5
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:42 pm

    Dualist wrote:Even in last two games, He was good overall but attacking-wise, played only simple passes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/7E0Fop1q6kSu4wNDOZ02

    He similar to Iniesta in that he deeper he plays, the more responsible & conservative he is.

    AGooner said something back in the early part of the season "He runs the attack, but he won't always show up on the final assist. He assists the assister" or something akin to that. If You watch the highlights from yesterday's game and that backs up his opinion completely. ok

    Sandro's coming in the summer, so we'll see what effect that has. 'arry's definitely looking at ways that we can be more flexible tactically.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:48 pm

    Dr Adel Sabah wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Pierre - would you still be saying the same about Luka Modric had Alex Song been there on Wednesday & Michael Essien yesterday?

    I cannot BELIEVE you just put Song and Essien on a parallel.


    DohDohDohDohDohDoh

    Embarassed

    You know what I meant though. And I agree with Pierre that they are different, but from a defensive standpoint they're their sides best midfielders.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:50 pm

    Apparently these are the teams (posted on an Arsenal site a couple of minutes ago):

    Wigan: Kirkland, Gohouri, Watson, N'Zogbia, Moreno, Bramble, Rodallega, McCarthy, Melchiot (c), Diame, Figueora.
    Subs: Scharner, Scotland, Moses, Gomez, Sinclair, Boyce, Stojkovic.

    Arsenal: Fabianski, Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Walcott, Silvestre, Clichy, Campbell, Eastmond, Bendtner.

    Subs: Van Persie, Vela, Mannone, Eboue, Traore, Merida, Henderson.

    Looks like a pretty awful team from us. Might go out and enjoy the sunshine rather than watch this if that team is confirmed.
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    Post by Dualist Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:51 pm

    Santa ok He is clearly better than his current displays..

    Correction - Modric has 4 EPL assists (Liv, Ful, Wigan and Sunderland)

    Lennon has 9 in EPL Magic
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:51 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    AGooner said something back in the early part of the season "He runs the attack, but he won't always show up on the final assist. He assists the assister" or something akin to that. If You watch the highlights from yesterday's game and that backs up his opinion completely. ok

    You mean you can't rank a footballer's worth accurately using nothing but statistics/data like the Castrol Index or Carling Opta scratch

    Are you seriously trying to tell me that Henry wasn't the best player in the world as recently as 5 months ago ?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/fink_tank/article6906926.ece
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    Post by Rosicky Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:52 pm

    Sheffield gunner wrote:Apparently these are the teams (posted on an Arsenal site a couple of minutes ago):

    Wigan: Kirkland, Gohouri, Watson, N'Zogbia, Moreno, Bramble, Rodallega, McCarthy, Melchiot (c), Diame, Figueora.
    Subs: Scharner, Scotland, Moses, Gomez, Sinclair, Boyce, Stojkovic.

    Arsenal: Fabianski, Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Walcott, Silvestre, Clichy, Campbell, Eastmond, Bendtner.

    Subs: Van Persie, Vela, Mannone, Eboue, Traore, Merida, Henderson.

    Looks like a pretty awful team from us. Might go out and enjoy the sunshine rather than watch this if that team is confirmed.

    Fucking hell Wenger. No
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    Post by L r dd Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:53 pm

    Dualist wrote:Santa ok He is clearly better than his current displays..

    Correction - Modric has 4 EPL assists (Liv, Ful, Wigan and Sunderland)

    Lennon has 9 in EPL Magic

    Simplistic look on things though. I still cant quite fathom how after a great game you can come out with these comments...he's playing very well Spurs yesterday should have scored 12 i don't think the dude is required to do anymore than set off attacks and create space.. Lennon is more direct and creates more but Modric runs the fucking game man. Cant really compare the two players bit daft dude Ale
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    Post by Dualist Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:56 pm

    You got to rate attacking ability of players by end product and video evidence. I use statistics because I'm no good with words and I don't take words for granted. Stats/facts are reliable..
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:58 pm

    Dualist wrote:You got to rate attacking ability of players by end product and video evidence. I use statistics because I'm no good with words and I don't take words for granted. Stats/facts are reliable..

    Yes, RVN had great stats at United and they've never really recovered from his departure Rolling Eyes
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:02 pm

    Arsenal: Fabianski Grr Grr Grr , Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Walcott, Silvestre, Clichy, Campbell, Eastmond, Bendtner.

    With Denilson and Song out we don't have much option for DM. So what's wrong with Manuel?
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:02 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    AGooner said something back in the early part of the season "He runs the attack, but he won't always show up on the final assist. He assists the assister" or something akin to that. If You watch the highlights from yesterday's game and that backs up his opinion completely. ok

    You mean you can't rank a footballer's worth accurately using nothing but statistics/data like the Castrol Index or Carling Opta scratch

    Are you seriously trying to tell me that Henry wasn't the best player in the world as recently as 5 months ago ?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/fink_tank/article6906926.ece

    Toni lol! lol! lol!
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    Post by Rosicky Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:03 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    Arsenal: Fabianski Grr Grr Grr , Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Walcott, Silvestre, Clichy, Campbell, Eastmond, Bendtner.

    With Denilson and Song out we don't have much option for DM. So what's wrong with Manuel?

    I think Almunia may have played his last game for Arsenal cheers

    Can dream anyway...
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    Post by Super Progress Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:03 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Is weird that Spurs have got these results without Palacios!

    Having a team from outside the big 4 in CL won't be great - United, 'pool, Chelsea and Arsenal have lots of experience of playing CL and EPL and even they find it a struggle.

    Spurs would do a Real Sociedad/Celta Vigo.
    Why won't it be great? For once we will see a team outside the big 4 strut their stuff and that will be refreshing. They might as well turn out like Villarreal who went the semis in their first Cl season allthough they finished 7th but im sure their fans enjoyed that adventure.

    Harry doesn't seem the smartest and when you consider how long it took for SAF to get smart in Europe perhaps they will have problems but they have to start somewhere.

    Also I agree that it is rather surprising to see that Modric is able to work in a 2 man midfield and especially against a 3 man midfield like Chelsea's even if it isn't great. Good points about the missing midfielders in Song and Essien but still couldn't see it working. However he did play in central midfield for Croatia in 2006 and they made it work somehow which is why I was interested to see if he could do the same in England but Tottenham fans can correct me if im wrong, didn't he initially play in central midfield and was then moved to the left when it didn't work out?
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    Post by Hlebagone Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:04 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    Dualist wrote:Even in last two games, He was good overall but attacking-wise, played only simple passes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/7E0Fop1q6kSu4wNDOZ02

    He similar to Iniesta in that he deeper he plays, the more responsible & conservative he is.

    AGooner said something back in the early part of the season "He runs the attack, but he won't always show up on the final assist. He assists the assister" or something akin to that. If You watch the highlights from yesterday's game and that backs up his opinion completely. ok

    Sandro's coming in the summer, so we'll see what effect that has. 'arry's definitely looking at ways that we can be more flexible tactically.

    Couldn't agree more. I don't need an excuse to bring up Hleb, but our attacking play dropped to such a great extent the season after he left, merely because even if the players in the final third were the same, the same concise passing moves in the middle of the pitch wasn't happening.
    Stats aren't everything.

    That said, there are limits. Our play in the middle of the pitch was awesome on Wednesday, but fell down as there was no one willing to play off the shoulder of the defenders and actually create space in the final third.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:05 pm

    Rosicky wrote:
    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    Arsenal: Fabianski Grr Grr Grr , Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Walcott, Silvestre, Clichy, Campbell, Eastmond, Bendtner.

    With Denilson and Song out we don't have much option for DM. So what's wrong with Manuel?

    I think Almunia may have played his last game for Arsenal cheers

    Can dream anyway...

    Fabianski is a f***ing walking disaster Grr
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    Post by Hlebagone Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:05 pm

    I might just watch this for shits and giggles. And the possibility of a RVP sighting.
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    Post by L r dd Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:05 pm

    Just make sure you beat Man City next week

    @ Super Madrid Leeds also did the same thing. Think it's very possible for Spurs to do well in the CL.
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    Post by Hlebagone Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:08 pm

    Connor Henderson!

    Had never heard of him in my life before. Any other Arsenal fans want to admit the same?
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    Post by Rosicky Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:08 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:Connor Henderson!

    Had never heard of him in my life before. Any other Arsenal fans want to admit the same?

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    Post by Hlebagone Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:09 pm

    Don't worry, im sure hes fucking awesome. Rumours are, that he's the new Jack Wilshere.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:10 pm

    Rosicky wrote:
    Hlebagone wrote:Connor Henderson!

    Had never heard of him in my life before. Any other Arsenal fans want to admit the same?

    Ale

    http://www.arsenal.com/reserves-youth/players/conor-henderson
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:11 pm

    L r dd wrote:Just make sure you beat Man City next week

    @ Super Madrid Leeds also did the same thing. Think it's very possible for Spurs to do well in the CL.

    So do I but they definitely won't finish in the top 4 if they do.
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    Post by Hlebagone Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:11 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    Rosicky wrote:
    Hlebagone wrote:Connor Henderson!

    Had never heard of him in my life before. Any other Arsenal fans want to admit the same?

    Ale

    http://www.arsenal.com/reserves-youth/players/conor-henderson

    Did the same thing Smile

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