Penalty takers

L r dd wrote:

Luis wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Luis wrote:Tweedle what are you on about, Gerrard the weak link? He scores every single penalty for Liverpool. I don't think I've ever seen him miss a pen for us...

What? Are you serious? I've seen Gerrard miss plenty!

Out of the five six listed I'd be the least confident about Gerrard taking a penalty.

Not sure on his recent record but I did a quick google search and found that back in 2006, his conversion rate was 80%

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1083580/Whos-Daddy-12-yards-Tell-favourite-penalty-taker-time.html

Which ain't great. Its not bad either mind.

I cant really recall Gerrard missing a pen in the last few years. But i wouldn't be confident with him taking a big one for England.

I don't understand this logic, there's no difference between taking a pen for your club in a CL game or taking one at a WC. Would you feel more confident with Milner taking a pen?

Luis go youtube the portugal penalty shoot out. Gerrard was a nervous wreck before a pen was even taken. It was no surprise he missed. He seems a much better penalty taker now so maybe he'll be more confident.......but im not sure.

Sometimes you miss pens, sometimes you score them, I'm sure all the players are slightly nervous whether it's a crucial club game or a crucial international game. Gerrard has a better penalty taking record than porbably anyone in the England team bar Lampard and Rooney.

Penalty takers are fine, but what about the keeper? Why does everyone always forget this very important aspect? You need to save some to win.

i dont have bad feelings about neuer

one good first game and he will end as the best keeper at the tournament

Ä wrote:
BUTT is fantastic at penalties

There probably is no keeper in the world atm. with a better record at saving pens than Wiese. The stats are out of this world when you think about it, he had saved most penalties, as the commentator said prior to Robben taking his last week.

Luis wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Luis wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Luis wrote:Tweedle what are you on about, Gerrard the weak link? He scores every single penalty for Liverpool. I don't think I've ever seen him miss a pen for us...

What? Are you serious? I've seen Gerrard miss plenty!

Out of the five six listed I'd be the least confident about Gerrard taking a penalty.

Not sure on his recent record but I did a quick google search and found that back in 2006, his conversion rate was 80%

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1083580/Whos-Daddy-12-yards-Tell-favourite-penalty-taker-time.html

Which ain't great. Its not bad either mind.

I cant really recall Gerrard missing a pen in the last few years. But i wouldn't be confident with him taking a big one for England.

I don't understand this logic, there's no difference between taking a pen for your club in a CL game or taking one at a WC. Would you feel more confident with Milner taking a pen?

Luis go youtube the portugal penalty shoot out. Gerrard was a nervous wreck before a pen was even taken. It was no surprise he missed. He seems a much better penalty taker now so maybe he'll be more confident.......but im not sure.

Sometimes you miss pens, sometimes you score them, I'm sure all the players are slightly nervous whether it's a crucial club game or a crucial international game. Gerrard has a better penalty taking record than porbably anyone in the England team bar Lampard and Rooney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eprl3u6GOp8

Look at it on 0.20 It's just one missed pen but he looks like England have lost. And then he missed after. The thing is Portugal DID miss a pen and it's always likely they'll miss one so IMO his reaction showed he didn't beleive England could win it.

Yeah you're right lrd, Lampard looks so much more confident doesn't he? And why is Gerrard grimmacing like one of his team-mates has just missed a penalty? Usually he's beaming on a football pitch.

lampard learned everything from ballack

blutgraetsche wrote:Penalty takers are fine, but what about the keeper? Why does everyone always forget this very important aspect? You need to save some to win.

Joe Hart

He'll be our penalty super-sub, if he doesn't start.

Luis wrote:Tweedle what are you on about, Gerrard the weak link? He scores every single penalty for Liverpool. I don't think I've ever seen him miss a pen for us...

I've seen him miss a few.

Luis wrote:Yeah you're right lrd, Lampard looks so much more confident doesn't he? And why is Gerrard grimmacing like one of his team-mates has just missed a penalty? Usually he's beaming on a football pitch.

Stop being a moron a second and look how Portugal players reacted when their guy missed there one. And even the other England players when Lampard missed. Lampard is the one who missed you dick what do you expect?

Gerrard's face was ''Oh shit im gonna have to take one in a second''

Tweesus wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Penalty takers are fine, but what about the keeper? Why does everyone always forget this very important aspect? You need to save some to win.

Joe Hart

He'll be our penalty super-sub, if he doesn't start.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1195857/Lion-Hart-England-keeper-saves-penalty-scores-miss-final.html

And here's the proof.

Tweesus wrote:
Joe Hart

He'll be our penalty super-sub, if he doesn't start.

The U21 guy with the big fat grin? AFAIR, the English U21 side won the penalty shootout against Sweden, right?

Not bad, but Sweden aren't exactly known to be world beaters at it.

Who will start in the goal for England? Would be quite an embarassment to sub him for the pens though, wouldn't exactly give him any confidence.

L r dd wrote:

Luis wrote:Yeah you're right lrd, Lampard looks so much more confident doesn't he? And why is Gerrard grimmacing like one of his team-mates has just missed a penalty? Usually he's beaming on a football pitch.

Stop being a moron a second and look how Portugal players reacted when their guy missed there one. And even the other England players when Lampard missed. Lampard is the one who missed you dick what do you expect?

Gerrard's face was ''Oh shit im gonna have to take one in a second''

When did you get your psychology PHD lerd? Never knew you knew so much about this sort of stuff. You've convinced me, I am now hoping Adam Johnson steps up to take one instead of Gerrard

Özil wrote:ffs i am scared

normally

poldi
schweini

should be safe goals, but whats behind??

only young lads with no experience to handle such a pressure situation, this could be the begin of the end of our penaltiy domination for decades, this will be in there heads and we will end like the englands SCARED

Ozil, you're a facking leg-end. This sentence is just awesome.

Kudos for giving it a go. I see an improvement in your English

Well done.

As for this discussion on penalties,

I predict Lampard and Co. will RAPE all over the mannshaft at their own game in the 2nd round when England meet Germany.

It'll go down to penalties, and John Terry will score the winner. Low will be wearing a scarf. Basti fantasti will be crying. In that order

blutgraetsche wrote:

Who will start in the goal for England? Would be quite an embarassment to sub him for the pens though, wouldn't exactly give him any confidence.

Haven't got a clue! I think possibly James, but Green has been starting every competitive game up to now.

His form's been shite in the past few months though.

Hart has been amazing in the league this season but he lacks the experience - he's only got one cap.

Will be interesting to see who plays against Mexico on Monday.

Brazil,Germany,Portugal have the best penalty takers.

If it came purely down to ability to strike the ball, you'd be hard pushed to look past the Dutch:

Van Persie
VDV
Sneijder
Robben

are all brilliant strikers of the ball. I'd still back the German's over them though.

I remember Carragher coming on for Lennon after 120 minutes to take a penalty last World Cup. Such found memories. Only decent penalty was Hargreaves.

Why did Carragher take one? I don't understand why he fancied his chances, he has never taken one for Liverpool, he's not techincally gifted in any shape or form, surely there must have been a better option?

Because he's such a technically gifted footballer. You only have to look at his displays at right back to show this.

Hlebagone wrote:If it came purely down to ability to strike the ball, you'd be hard pushed to look past the Dutch:

Van Persie
VDV
Sneijder
Robben

are all brilliant strikers of the ball. I'd still back the German's over them though.

I remember Carragher coming on for Lennon after 120 minutes to take a penalty last World Cup. Such found memories. Only decent penalty was Hargreaves.

Hargreaves is the best english penalty taker by a country mile than followed by Ashley Cole.


Hargreaves-taken four big penalties and scored all four=UCL Final x2 Quarter Final major International tournament X2

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:If it came purely down to ability to strike the ball, you'd be hard pushed to look past the Dutch:

Van Persie
VDV
Sneijder
Robben

are all brilliant strikers of the ball. I'd still back the German's over them though.

I remember Carragher coming on for Lennon after 120 minutes to take a penalty last World Cup. Such found memories. Only decent penalty was Hargreaves.

Hargreaves is the best english penalty taker by a country mile than followed by Ashley Cole.


Hargreaves-taken four big penalties and scored all four=UCL Final x2 Quarter Final major International tournament X2

When have you seen Ashley Cole take a pen last? I love how not taking penalties makes someone a better penalty taker.

Hargreaves has a good mentallity his pen v portugal was almost saved though. I think in training Gerrard and Rooney would be the best in a high pressure situation probably Hargreaves.

Gerrard always has that depressed look on his face. He can't do anything about it, he will never looked determined and confident, even if he is.

Ashley Cole scored at the Euros QF/UCL Final

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:Ashley Cole scored at the Euros QF/UCL Final

ZING.

Take THAT lerd.

What euros 04? So he's scored two pens in 6 years and from this you label him England's second best penalty taker.

L r dd wrote:What euros 04? So he's scored two pens in 6 years and from this you label him England's second best penalty taker.

Name anyone who is better than Cole apart from Hargreaves?

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:

L r dd wrote:What euros 04? So he's scored two pens in 6 years and from this you label him England's second best penalty taker.

Name anyone who is better than Cole apart from Hargreaves?

Why did England's second best penalty taker allow Carragher to take one ahead of him in 2006?

L r dd wrote:

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:

L r dd wrote:What euros 04? So he's scored two pens in 6 years and from this you label him England's second best penalty taker.

Name anyone who is better than Cole apart from Hargreaves?

Why did England's second best penalty taker allow Carragher to take one ahead of him in 2006?

Maybe Cole was going to take the 5th penalty

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:

L r dd wrote:What euros 04? So he's scored two pens in 6 years and from this you label him England's second best penalty taker.

Name anyone who is better than Cole apart from Hargreaves?

Why did England's second best penalty taker allow Carragher to take one ahead of him in 2006?

Maybe Cole was going to take the 5th penalty

Nah it was Terry he said so at the time and he also scored one in 2004. I'm not saying Cole isnt a good pen taker just that scoring 2-3 in pen shoot outs and then being rated ahead of lampard and gerrard who can score 9+ in a row and take them regularly is a bit absurd to me.

Luis wrote:Why did Carragher take one? I don't understand why he fancied his chances, he has never taken one for Liverpool, he's not techincally gifted in any shape or form, surely there must have been a better option?

Lay off the crack mate

Carra took a penalty in the League Cup final in 01 and scored.