CL team of the season

Thoughts?

Von Bommel for Schweini and Cesar for Lloris.

Another troll wind up?

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

L r dd wrote:Another troll wind up?

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

Why do you keep calling me a troll when it's quite obvious that you're the troll of this board?

Samuel was flawless throughout

Nani was not better than Robben or Messi.

Cambiasso in for Pigclimber and Lucio in for Pique

The whole Inter defensive setup deserves it

COTR #6 wrote:Cambiasso in for Pigclimber and Lucio in for Pique

The whole Inter defensive setup deserves it

Seconded

rooney?? for what

1. he plays not behind strikers
2. he had only 2 good games against milan

L r dd wrote:

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

Özil wrote:rooney?? for what

1. he plays not behind strikers
2. he had only 2 good games against milan

Admit it - you know nothing about how Rooney played because you didn't watch any of the other United games.

Barrilete wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

You can laugh but it was only bad refereeing that allowed Samuel not to cost his team the match twice.

Nani had 4 assists and 2 goals in this years CL....not bad considering he missed two games and United got knocked out in the QF(also an injustice) had we qualified it would have been solely down to Nani.

Özil wrote:rooney?? for what

1. he plays not behind strikers
2. he had only 2 good games against milan

agreed

muller should be there instead

L r dd wrote:

Barrilete wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

You can laugh but it was only bad refereeing that allowed Samuel not to cost his team the match twice.

Nani had 4 assists and 2 goals in this years CL....not bad considering he missed two games and United got knocked out in the QF(also an injustice) had we qualified it would have been solely down to Nani.

Care to elaborate a bit???

Barrilete wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Barrilete wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

You can laugh but it was only bad refereeing that allowed Samuel not to cost his team the match twice.

Nani had 4 assists and 2 goals in this years CL....not bad considering he missed two games and United got knocked out in the QF(also an injustice) had we qualified it would have been solely down to Nani.

Care to elaborate a bit???

He's referring to the Kalou and Drogba dives.

So lrd, do you think nani was better than robben and messi?

ohh, right thought he was talking about the final game...well he's right then...but a bit naive though...lots of defenders play like that, and most of the times refs don't call infraction or anything

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Barrilete wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Barrilete wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Samuel?

Where's Nani?

You can laugh but it was only bad refereeing that allowed Samuel not to cost his team the match twice.

Nani had 4 assists and 2 goals in this years CL....not bad considering he missed two games and United got knocked out in the QF(also an injustice) had we qualified it would have been solely down to Nani.

Care to elaborate a bit???

He's referring to the Kalou and Drogba dives.

I can somehow understand referee not calling it, if he's consistent during the game... but they didn't dive. Ibrahimovic t-shirt didn't dive against Samuel too in return game.

that was lucio

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:that was lucio

Ok .

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2010/05/23/1938338/champions-league-team-of-the-season

Lloris

Alves - Lucio - Ciani - Zanetti

Sneijder - Xavi - Schweinsteiger

-Robben

Olic - Milito


alves ahead of lahm or maicon!!!!

I've watched Alves a few times now this season and I can't see where all the hype comes from. He puts in one good ball in five, dives like a penguin and can't defend for shit. Most of his defending is really fouling the opposition and getting away with it.

-----------Cesar
Maicon-Pique-Lucio-Evra
---------Cambiasso
--------Xavi-Sneijder
----Messi-Milito-Robben

Lucio >>>> Samuel in this year's campaign. Samuel was by far the weakest of the Inter defence. The last ditch diving blocks look great, but sometimes they happen because a player was too slow to react in the first place. And the shirt pulling/rugby tackles were ridiculous too, but that didn't seem to happen in the final.

Regarding Alves, the hype comes indirectly from his immense workrate, pace, and fitness levels which mean he can basically play 2 positions at once and cover the entire right flank.

For most people watching a football match, if they hear the commentator repeat a player's name enough times, it gives an impression of "bloody hell that Alves is everywhere" and thus he becomes highly rated.

But that's doing him a bit of dis-service. For a defender, he's excellent with the ball at his feet, and just because his crosses aren't always successful doesn't mean his regular passes/combinations are poor.

Definitely don't think he should be in the CL team of the season though. Maicon is an easy vote for the RB position there.

S4P wrote:-----------Cesar
Maicon-Pique-Lucio-Evra
---------Cambiasso
--------Xavi-Sneijder
----Messi-Milito-Robben

Lucio >>>> Samuel in this year's campaign. Samuel was by far the weakest of the Inter defence. The last ditch diving blocks look great, but sometimes they happen because a player was too slow to react in the first place. And the shirt pulling/rugby tackles were ridiculous too, but that didn't seem to happen in the final.

Not a chance, Lucio fucked up against Kiev (a match which Samuel scored in) and Rubin Kazan. In the KO stages they were pretty evenly matched, Samuel just edges it for me. Lucio may look pretty with his dribbling out of defence and superior technical ability, but Samuel has better positioning and reading of the game.

Nice to see you're criticising Samuel for making blocks. Seems that you are very hard to impress.

Regarding the shirt pulling, Lucio did the same to Ibra in the Barca game (actually ripped his shirt) but you've conveniently swept that under the rug. You're just extremely bitter that Samuel completely owned Drogba.

kas wrote:The hype comes indirectly from his immense workrate, pace, and fitness levels which mean he can basically play 2 positions at once and cover the entire right flank.

For most people watching a football match, if they hear the commentator repeat a player's name enough times, it gives an impression of "bloody hell that Alves is everywhere" and thus he becomes highly rated.

But that's doing him a bit of dis-service. For a defender, he's excellent with the ball at his feet, and just because his crosses aren't always successful doesn't mean his regular passes/combinations are poor.

Definitely don't think he should be in the CL team of the season though. Maicon is an easy vote for the RB position there.

He seems like a right sided version of Sorin.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Not a chance, Lucio fucked up against Kiev (a match which Samuel scored in) and Rubin Kazan. In the KO stages they were pretty evenly matched, Samuel just edges it for me. Lucio may look pretty with his dribbling out of defence and superior technical ability, but Samuel has better positioning and reading of the game.

If we're doing teams from the group stages, then very few of the Inter players would make it, while some players from sides who didn't qualify (like Rubin Kazan, who took 5 points off Inter and Barcelona) would arguably have a strong case.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Nice to see you're criticising Samuel for making blocks. Seems that you are very hard to impress.

As I said, the blocks are often a result of slowness to react. It's why people prefer defenders like Lucio, Carvalho, Ferdinand who have an excellent reading of the game.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Regarding the shirt pulling, Lucio did the same to Ibra in the Barca game (actually ripped his shirt) but you've conveniently swept that under the rug.

In that case you can argue that neither deserves to be in the team, as they had to take the laws into their own hands to ensure their team progressed.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:You're just extremely bitter that Samuel completely owned Drogba

I'm sure Terry & Alex would have owned Milito had they wrapped their arms around his back every time he was near the ball.

And you seem bitter every time anybody questions Samuel.

S4P wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Not a chance, Lucio fucked up against Kiev (a match which Samuel scored in) and Rubin Kazan. In the KO stages they were pretty evenly matched, Samuel just edges it for me. Lucio may look pretty with his dribbling out of defence and superior technical ability, but Samuel has better positioning and reading of the game.

If we're doing teams from the group stages, then very few of the Inter players would make it, while some players from sides who didn't qualify (like Rubin Kazan, who took 5 points off Inter and Barcelona) would arguably have a strong case.

Just playing by your rules S4P. You said Lucio>>>>Samuel in THIS campaign. The group stage is included in this campaign and Samuel was one of the strongest players for Inter in the group stage. Rubin Kazan came third in their group - they don't have a strong case.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Nice to see you're criticising Samuel for making blocks. Seems that you are very hard to impress.

As I said, the blocks are often a result of slowness to react. It's why people prefer defenders like Lucio, Carvalho, Ferdinand who have an excellent reading of the game.

Let's try and keep the conversation serious and not resort to WUMS!

Perhaps you'd like to be more specific rather than resorting to vague generalisations. In Samuel's case it's not really a case of being slow to react, quite the opposite in fact. For example, Samuel's block on Malouda was because Cambiasso got turned. Samuel was quick to react and cover for his teammate.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Regarding the shirt pulling, Lucio did the same to Ibra in the Barca game (actually ripped his shirt) but you've conveniently swept that under the rug.

In that case you can argue that neither deserves to be in the team, as they had to take the laws into their own hands to ensure their team progressed.

Yes but you're argument was that Lucio>>>Samuel partly because of Samuel's petty shirt pulling. Your argument has fallen apart.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:You're just extremely bitter that Samuel completely owned Drogba

I'm sure Terry & Alex would have owned Milito had they wrapped their arms around his back every time he was near the ball.

And you seem bitter every time anybody questions Samuel.

I doubt it. Milito's game is based on clever movement, and neat interplay. He doesn't rely on his physicality as much as someone like Drogba.

Not bitter - just correcting people for the misconceptions they old about him.

The thing with Samuel simply boils down to this:

for someone like Bobo who is so very very quick to jump on Ferdinand for making errors and giving away fouls/penalties,

it's ironic - or just predictably one eyed - that he is so blinkered to Samuel's style of defending. Which is all about physical domination (throwing himself into challenges, hoping it doesn't result in a foul/penalty) and less about positioning.

Having Lucio, Maicon and Zanetti hides Samuel's flaws as a defender.

Terry and Rio are criticised, so why the fuck should Samuel be any different - we've all seen his dubious last ditch challenges. No amount of denial by Bobo changes this

Noah and the Bale wrote:The thing with Samuel simply boils down to this:

for someone like Bobo who is so very very quick to jump on Ferdinand for making errors and giving away fouls/penalties,

it's ironic - or just predictably one eyed - that he is so blinkered to Samuel's style of defending. Which is all about physical domination (throwing himself into challenges, hoping it doesn't result in a foul/penalty) and less about positioning.

Having Lucio, Maicon and Zanetti hides Samuel's flaws as a defender.

Terry and Rio are criticised, so why the fuck should Samuel be any different - we've all seen his dubious last ditch challenges. No amount of denial by Bobo changes this

doh:

This is the type of shite that andy Townsend would come up with.

All about physical domination? We're talking about Samuel and not Materazzi. His positioning and reading of the game are top notch, always have been. You're using the flawed S4P logic of saying he's shite because he makes blocks.

Samuel was also great as part of Roma's scudetto winning back 3 and Bielsa's back 3 for Argentina (which was one of the most attacking sides of the last decade).

Terry and Rio are criticised because they're overrated as hell! Rio is plain shite, Terry is not that good either.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:The thing with Samuel simply boils down to this:

for someone like Bobo who is so very very quick to jump on Ferdinand for making errors and giving away fouls/penalties,

it's ironic - or just predictably one eyed - that he is so blinkered to Samuel's style of defending. Which is all about physical domination (throwing himself into challenges, hoping it doesn't result in a foul/penalty) and less about positioning.

Having Lucio, Maicon and Zanetti hides Samuel's flaws as a defender.

Terry and Rio are criticised, so why the fuck should Samuel be any different - we've all seen his dubious last ditch challenges. No amount of denial by Bobo changes this

doh:

This is the type of shite that andy Townsend would come up with.

All about physical domination? We're talking about Samuel and not Materazzi. His positioning and reading of the game are top notch, always have been. You're using the flawed S4P logic of saying he's shite because he makes blocks.

Samuel was also great as part of Roma's scudetto winning back 3 and Bielsa's back 3 for Argentina (which was one of the most attacking sides of the last decade).

Terry and Rio are criticised because they're overrated as hell! Rio is plain shite, Terry is not that good either.

Sorry, you're right - there was a clear mistake in my post -

To Zanetti, Lucio and Maicon, you can add that the referees have also hidden his flaws this season.

His positioning was awesome even in the final, being up at the halfway line hacking down Robben after 5 minutes,

and then nowhere to be seen, trying to grasp at air in an attempt to least pull something or someone down when Muller then Robben had clear shots on goal.

Face it, he is really not as good as you blindly think he is.

Cheers for the Andy Townsend name dropping. It's an honour to be affiliated to one so wise.

Naturally, given your close affiliation with the many Italian clubs you rotate like a weekly pair of underpants, it's just so flattering that someone as well positioned to comment on a sport you have don't even bother to go and watch in the flesh would take their time to photoshop a picture in my honour

What's with the Samuel Agenda????

"Il muro" has his faults, which are quite a few, but Bobo has a point really. Anyone who's watched him play in Roma and for Bielsa's Argentina, knows he is a better player than his time at Real suggests.

Barrilete wrote:What's with the Samuel Agenda????

"Il muro" has his faults, which are quite a few, but Bobo has a point really. Anyone who's watched him play in Roma and for Bielsa's Argentina, knows he is a better player than his time at Real suggests.

Of course he's better than his time at Real - his short tenure there was nothing short of terrible.

It's not really an agenda anymore than Vidic, Terry or Ferdinand criticism emerging from the same individuals on here.

Samuel is a thuggish defender. I don't like his style at all. He spends a lot of time throwing himself into challenges, pulling at shirts, tussling with players off the ball, throwing his leg out late: there is nothing clean about his tackling - for this reason, in terms of putting him in the top echelons of defenders, I'm OUT