WC2010 Group H - Spain, Switzerland, Honduras, Chile

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame the refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual, and there have been a lot of good calls by the refs as well...

Good win for Chile but perhaps not good enough. +2 from their two wins is as bad as you can get GD-wise. Depends on Spain & Honduras now..obviously both know they must win tonight. Maybe Puro's prediction will come true and Honduras will oust Spain..

I think Swiss can now say for certain that they will go through with a 2-goal win in the final game.

Big 4 Billy Bollocks wrote:Great decision there - how many of you bought that in real time?

It was an awesome decision.... I thought penalty in real time, but in replays it was so clearly a dive...

L r dd wrote:So what's the percifics. If Spain beat Chile 1-0 then Swiss need to win by 2 or more goals?

Yes, although 2-1 or higher win with 1 goal difference can be enough too.

L r dd wrote:So what's the percifics. If Spain beat Chile 1-0 then Swiss need to win by 2 or more goals?

I think Spain will do a number on Chile and Honduras, so as long as the Swiss beat Honduras they should be through.

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame the refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual, and there have been a lot of good calls by the refs as well...

Big 4 Billy Bollocks wrote:Great decision there - how many of you bought that in real time?

Guilty.

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame tge refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual...

I think the first week was great but we've had a run now of games where the ref has had big attention. Particularly Germany-Serbia, Brazil-IC and today. Is a little worrying that the dodgy decisions seem to be increasing as the games increase in importance..

It wasnt an atrocious decision today though. And Klose's was understandable even if very harsh.

Only Kaka's is ridiculous, and there at least, it didnteffect the result or his tournament.

debaser wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame tge refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual...

I think the first week was great but we've had a run now of games where the ref has had big attention. Particularly Germany-Serbia, Brazil-IC and today. Is a little worrying that the dodgy decisions seem to be increasing as the games increase in importance..

Don't forget US-Slovenia

The ref was very good. All them yellows were spot on. He EVEN spotted the dive by the Chilean at the end when 99% of refs would've called the PK. I thought it was a PK.

If I were Bielsa, I'm really miffed for the many sitters missed by the team. It nearly cost him when Derdiyok missed also a sitter.

Sure, their main man for goals Suazo is not fit, but Paredes is a paquete. If Chile had the Peruvian strikeforce of Pizarro, Farfán, Guerrero, Fernández, Aguirre, Fano...they could be scoring for fun FFS!

Hlebagone wrote:It wasnt an atrocious decision today though. And Klose's was understandable even if very harsh.

Only Kaka's is ridiculous, and there at least, it didnteffect the result or his tournament.

I disagree they were all terrible decisions. Red cards in the first half should surely only be for something clear. Kaka's was a joke. What about the Mali ref in the USA game....that was appauling also.

Di Caniooooo! wrote:

debaser wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame tge refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual...

I think the first week was great but we've had a run now of games where the ref has had big attention. Particularly Germany-Serbia, Brazil-IC and today. Is a little worrying that the dodgy decisions seem to be increasing as the games increase in importance..

Don't forget US-Slovenia

And Australia.

Well i think many decisions where understandable, its just the difference among the refs, some throwing cards like mad others dont warn players even for harder things.
Overall they should hold back with the cards, its destroying games where there is no need for handing out warnings. Esp when it comes to red cards.

Di Caniooooo! wrote:

debaser wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame tge refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual...

I think the first week was great but we've had a run now of games where the ref has had big attention. Particularly Germany-Serbia, Brazil-IC and today. Is a little worrying that the dodgy decisions seem to be increasing as the games increase in importance..

Don't forget US-Slovenia

The Dempsey decision.

stinger wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame the refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual, and there have been a lot of good calls by the refs as well...

Though it has been getting worse IMO as the tourney has gone on.

Ade wrote:

stinger wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame the refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual, and there have been a lot of good calls by the refs as well...

Though it has been getting worse IMO as the tourney has gone on.

Agreed.

Kimbo wrote:

L r dd wrote:So what's the percifics. If Spain beat Chile 1-0 then Swiss need to win by 2 or more goals?

I think Spain will do a number on Chile and Honduras, so as long as the Swiss beat Honduras they should be through.

Honduras WILL BE "pussy football"-Ottmar Hitzfeld-coached-Swiss most difficult match. Sure, their barnacle qualities are proven, but let's see how they are when they leave their shell.

I got a great view of how they defend today when they come out, and they are appalling. Chile missed FIVE sitters that Honduras will not miss.

Alberto wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

L r dd wrote:So what's the percifics. If Spain beat Chile 1-0 then Swiss need to win by 2 or more goals?

I think Spain will do a number on Chile and Honduras, so as long as the Swiss beat Honduras they should be through.

Honduras WILL BE "pussy football"-Ottmar Hitzfeld-coached-Swiss most difficult match. Sure, their barnacle qualities are proven, but let's see how they are when they leave their shell.

I got a great view of how they defend today when they come out, and they are appalling. Chile missed FIVE sitters that Honduras will not miss.

Honduras couldn't score against Azerbian ffs.

I can also easily see Wilson Palacios being booked today and being not available for a match against Switzerland, which will really boost Switzerland chances.
Swiss has a few talented attacking players, Hitzfeld will find a way to make them work in totally opposite manner to first 2 games.

2010-06-16 Honduras 0 - 1 Chile W
2010-06-05 Romania 3 - 0 Honduras n
2010-06-02 Azerbaijan 0 - 0 Honduras n
2010-05-27 Belarus 2 - 2 Honduras n
2010-04-21 Honduras 0 - 1 Venezuela
2010-03-03 Turkey 2 - 0 Honduras

Scored once in their last 6 games.

L r dd wrote:2010-06-16 Honduras 0 - 1 Chile W
2010-06-05 Romania 3 - 0 Honduras n
2010-06-02 Azerbaijan 0 - 0 Honduras n
2010-05-27 Belarus 2 - 2 Honduras n
2010-04-21 Honduras 0 - 1 Venezuela
2010-03-03 Turkey 2 - 0 Honduras

Scored once in their last 6 games.

I count two there?

How do you manage to do that?

I think he used his eyes and a calculator

But your general point is correct, Honduras are shite.

Oh well i mean in one game.

Alberto wrote:The ref was very good.

A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them.

http://www.answers.com/topic/delusion

Effenberg wrote:

Alberto wrote:The ref was very good.

A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them.

http://www.answers.com/topic/delusion

debaser wrote:Good win for Chile but perhaps not good enough. +2 from their two wins is as bad as you can get GD-wise. Depends on Spain & Honduras now..obviously both know they must win tonight. Maybe Puro's prediction will come true and Honduras will oust Spain..

I think Swiss can now say for certain that they will go through with a 2-goal win in the final game.

Yes they had enough chances to win both their games by about 3 goals, could hurt them in the end with 3 teams likely to finish on 6 points.

Kimbo wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:

debaser wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Di Caniooooo! wrote:You'd think FIFA would tell their refs to cool it off, the referees seem to be the talking point, instead of the matches.

I am sorry, I disagree.... overall, the refereeing in this World Cup has been better than most championships.... sure, they got some wrong, but thats bound to happen in such a big and prestigious tournament, its so easy to blame tge refs.... however, the number of games decided by ref mistakes is surprisingly lower than usual...

I think the first week was great but we've had a run now of games where the ref has had big attention. Particularly Germany-Serbia, Brazil-IC and today. Is a little worrying that the dodgy decisions seem to be increasing as the games increase in importance..

Don't forget US-Slovenia

The Dempsey decision.

And the disallowed goal.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/refs-must-face-the-music-for-bad-calls--fbintl_ro-referees062010.html

Americans view on it.

To be honest it's deffo the Australian view also. New Zealand i guess have a right to complain as well forgot about that match. There's at least 8 now that have had terrible decisions.

Effenberg wrote:

Alberto wrote:The ref was very good.

A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them.

http://www.answers.com/topic/delusion

Very good Effenberg. Just like Al Gore and his "global warming" campaign. He won a Nobel award, film award...

He showed 'proof', didn't he! There's always the blind, and the ones who 'THINK' they know football.