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WC2010 Round of 16 - Brazil vs. Chile

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Post by fcb on Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:31 pm

Brazil (1G) vs. Chile (2H)
Monday 28th June - 20.30 (local time)
Johannesburg


All South-American matchup. Brazil destroyed Chile home and away in the qualifiers...have Bielsa's team learnt their lesson?
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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:32 pm

1998 all over again !
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Post by Barrilete on Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:35 pm

Don't think so...Chile has 3 players that can not play the Brazil game because they received too many cards, so it'll be a patched-up Chile side that faces Brazil(not that it mattered anyway, they'd still loose IMO)
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Post by mongrel hawk on Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:20 pm

kas wrote:Brazil (1G) vs. Chile (2H)
Monday 28th June - 20.30 (local time)
Johannesburg


All South-American matchup. Brazil destroyed Chile home and away in the qualifiers...have Bielsa's team learnt their lesson?

true. in fact, brazil destroyed all teams that really tried to attack and win. besides chile, italy (2-0, 3-0), argentina (3-1 away, 3-0 in copa américa), portugal (6-2 in a friendly), uruguay (4-0 away).

but lost 2-0 to Paraguay away, and had problems with defensive teams at home (venezuela and bolivia, 0-0, 0-0 at home).

my prediction, if chile plays like they played today against spain: 4-0.

the problem will be holland. they know how to defend and are unbeaten for a long time.
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Post by Calidad on Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:40 pm

Brazil were slightly lucky agianst Chile in qualifying though, the scorelines definitely flattered them.

I can't see Chile winning either, Brazil to are too shrewd and cynical. Unfortunatlely I think Chile will probably outplay Brazil but get comfortably braten.
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Post by Six on Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:54 pm

I predict we will be seeing quite a bit of yellow and red.

Cards as well as shirts.
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Post by SuperMario on Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:03 am

I predict every single player on the pitch at least once pretends to be mortually wounded.
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Post by bluenine on Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:55 am

mongrel hawk wrote:
kas wrote:Brazil (1G) vs. Chile (2H)
Monday 28th June - 20.30 (local time)
Johannesburg


All South-American matchup. Brazil destroyed Chile home and away in the qualifiers...have Bielsa's team learnt their lesson?

true. in fact, brazil destroyed all teams that really tried to attack and win. besides chile, italy (2-0, 3-0), argentina (3-1 away, 3-0 in copa américa), portugal (6-2 in a friendly), uruguay (4-0 away).

but lost 2-0 to Paraguay away, and had problems with defensive teams at home (venezuela and bolivia, 0-0, 0-0 at home).

my prediction, if chile plays like they played today against spain: 4-0.

the problem will be holland. they know how to defend and are unbeaten for a long time.

No they don't... Van Bommel is the only one in that team who does Razz

Agree with you on the rest. This Brasil are built to destroy any team that attacks them... very much like some of the great Italian teams of the past... I cannot see Chile stoppin them... Holland have a great attack, so that game shoudl test the theory whether Brasil indeed are one of the great counter-attacking sides as we believe...

Brasil will find it tough against other good defensive sides... and maybe Argentina, if Maradona has enough sense to be pragmatic.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:39 pm

@blue

I think brazil is especially designed to beat spain, argentina, germany. not holland, england or... switzerland. maybe you are right, but from what I saw of holland they seem to be very solid marking.


the other day I was talking to a friend and we compared a possible brazil-spain with inter-barça in style. what do you think?
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Post by fcb on Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:54 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:the other day I was talking to a friend and we compared a possible brazil-spain with inter-barça in style. what do you think?

I think there are some similarities between Brazil and the Inter in the 1st leg of the CL semifinal tie. But some things are different...for example, Inter played a relatively deep defensive line, whereas Brazil play quite high up the pitch. And of course Inter of the 2nd leg aren't like any team left in the World Cup, they would probably only be similar to North Korea in the first 55 mins of the group match against Brazil. On the other hand, Spain and Barça aren't really that similar, esp. the current Del Bosque confused version of Spain.
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Post by SuperMario on Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:11 pm

Imo Brazil are vulnerable because of the space they give away behind their fullbacks. The DMFs and CDs do not provide cover as well as their Dutch counterparts do. I'm not saying we're better than Brazil, but in that department (everything to do with positional play) we are. Our defenders might not be world beaters individually, but we do defend well as a team. We'll give away very little.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:24 pm

Persistence wrote:Imo Brazil are vulnerable because of the space they give away behind their fullbacks. The DMFs and CDs do not provide cover as well as their Dutch counterparts do. I'm not saying we're better than Brazil, but in that department (everything to do with positional play) we are. Our defenders might not be world beaters individually, but we do defend well as a team. We'll give away very little.

true.
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Post by SuperMario on Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:30 pm

let's just hope both our teams do their job, could be a great QF.

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Think the Argies 'could' (depends on Diego) exploit your weaknesses too, they do have attacking width.
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Post by bluenine on Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:35 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:@blue

I think brazil is especially designed to beat spain, argentina, germany. not holland, england or... switzerland. maybe you are right, but from what I saw of holland they seem to be very solid marking.


the other day I was talking to a friend and we compared a possible brazil-spain with inter-barça in style. what do you think?

Funny you say that, we were discussing the same thing at Interlist last month... yeah, there are a lot of similarities... Brasil play much like Inter, and Spain is kinda like a Barcelona without Messi... Brasil vs Spain, I will willing to bet will only end one way... WC2010 Round of 16 - Brazil vs. Chile F_ale2

Its a bit ironic, Inter have had such a strong Argie flavour in the last decade and yet we resemble Brasil more than anyone else...


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Post by Ricardo Jol on Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:41 pm

bluenine wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
kas wrote:Brazil (1G) vs. Chile (2H)
Monday 28th June - 20.30 (local time)
Johannesburg


All South-American matchup. Brazil destroyed Chile home and away in the qualifiers...have Bielsa's team learnt their lesson?

true. in fact, brazil destroyed all teams that really tried to attack and win. besides chile, italy (2-0, 3-0), argentina (3-1 away, 3-0 in copa américa), portugal (6-2 in a friendly), uruguay (4-0 away).

but lost 2-0 to Paraguay away, and had problems with defensive teams at home (venezuela and bolivia, 0-0, 0-0 at home).

my prediction, if chile plays like they played today against spain: 4-0.

the problem will be holland. they know how to defend and are unbeaten for a long time.

No they don't... Van Bommel is the only one in that team who does Razz

Agree with you on the rest. This Brasil are built to destroy any team that attacks them... very much like some of the great Italian teams of the past... I cannot see Chile stoppin them... Holland have a great attack, so that game shoudl test the theory whether Brasil indeed are one of the great counter-attacking sides as we believe...

Brasil will find it tough against other good defensive sides... and maybe Argentina, if Maradona has enough sense to be pragmatic.

I agree with you Brasil are favourites against us although their defense is not much better than our defense as you say.. We don't have the best defenders but we have one of the best defensive records in the world for almost a decade now. Still, you and most of the people always bash our defense.

But then I can understand yo don't rate our defense because we have weaknesses up there but one thing I really don't understand is that you praise Argentina while their defense is the weakest from all teams that are in the second round.
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Post by Super Progress on Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:02 pm

Brazil has Juan-Lucio which is one of the most underrated CB pairing in the last many years. I struggle to mention another pair that has been as good as they have in International football. Maicon can be quite solid as well and this leaves Bastos who I don't trust. Add that Brazil have Silva-Melo protecting the defence and the team overall being well organised and it is hard to penetrate.

Holland does indeed have a good record so far but they haven't been too challenged either. If something will save Holland against Brazil it won't be their defence but their ability to keep the ball and whether or not their offensive players will actually turn up in this tournament because so far they have been weak. Holland has some parallels with Spain who come with a offensive young team in 2006 but were beat by the first smart team they met(France) but took the experience with them two years later and manage to overcome a similar opposition to France in Italy.

Holland too were the exciting team in 08 until they met a team not in transition as Italy and France were. Perhaps not that obvious a comparison and I would still be quite surprised to see Holland not go down to Brazil.
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Post by bluenine on Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:16 pm

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:
bluenine wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
kas wrote:Brazil (1G) vs. Chile (2H)
Monday 28th June - 20.30 (local time)
Johannesburg


All South-American matchup. Brazil destroyed Chile home and away in the qualifiers...have Bielsa's team learnt their lesson?

true. in fact, brazil destroyed all teams that really tried to attack and win. besides chile, italy (2-0, 3-0), argentina (3-1 away, 3-0 in copa américa), portugal (6-2 in a friendly), uruguay (4-0 away).

but lost 2-0 to Paraguay away, and had problems with defensive teams at home (venezuela and bolivia, 0-0, 0-0 at home).

my prediction, if chile plays like they played today against spain: 4-0.

the problem will be holland. they know how to defend and are unbeaten for a long time.

No they don't... Van Bommel is the only one in that team who does Razz

Agree with you on the rest. This Brasil are built to destroy any team that attacks them... very much like some of the great Italian teams of the past... I cannot see Chile stoppin them... Holland have a great attack, so that game shoudl test the theory whether Brasil indeed are one of the great counter-attacking sides as we believe...

Brasil will find it tough against other good defensive sides... and maybe Argentina, if Maradona has enough sense to be pragmatic.

I agree with you Brasil are favourites against us although their defense is not much better than our defense as you say.. We don't have the best defenders but we have one of the best defensive records in the world for almost a decade now. Still, you and most of the people always bash our defense.

But then I can understand yo don't rate our defense because we have weaknesses up there but one thing I really don't understand is that you praise Argentina while their defense is the weakest from all teams that are in the second round.

Nah, Brasil's defense is much better than yours, mate. I am not saying your defense is bad, its just that Brasil IMO have best defense in the world. And two quality DM's protecting it. Holland's defense has been playing well, but I would like to see how it holds up against quality counterattacking teams... last time round, that was your undoing (Euro08)... and Brasil are the best counter attacking team there is...

Maybe your attackers save you if they have a great game against Brasil (and u have that capability) but IMO 8 times out of ten, Brasil will beat ya.

Re Argentina, its the talent rather than the performance that I am refering to... you can see me qualifying that sentence with a "maybe" and an "if". With the right defensive selection/discipline, Argies could ve been as strong as the brasilians.
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Post by Ricardo Jol on Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:19 pm

russia didn't beat us on the counter...

I haven;t say something about our defense is better ath Brasilian defense. I only see that also this "best defense in the world" give quite a lot chances away even against North Korea.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:37 pm

bluenine wrote:
Ricardo Wetzel wrote:
bluenine wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
kas wrote:Brazil (1G) vs. Chile (2H)
Monday 28th June - 20.30 (local time)
Johannesburg


All South-American matchup. Brazil destroyed Chile home and away in the qualifiers...have Bielsa's team learnt their lesson?

true. in fact, brazil destroyed all teams that really tried to attack and win. besides chile, italy (2-0, 3-0), argentina (3-1 away, 3-0 in copa américa), portugal (6-2 in a friendly), uruguay (4-0 away).

but lost 2-0 to Paraguay away, and had problems with defensive teams at home (venezuela and bolivia, 0-0, 0-0 at home).

my prediction, if chile plays like they played today against spain: 4-0.

the problem will be holland. they know how to defend and are unbeaten for a long time.

No they don't... Van Bommel is the only one in that team who does Razz

Agree with you on the rest. This Brasil are built to destroy any team that attacks them... very much like some of the great Italian teams of the past... I cannot see Chile stoppin them... Holland have a great attack, so that game shoudl test the theory whether Brasil indeed are one of the great counter-attacking sides as we believe...

Brasil will find it tough against other good defensive sides... and maybe Argentina, if Maradona has enough sense to be pragmatic.

I agree with you Brasil are favourites against us although their defense is not much better than our defense as you say.. We don't have the best defenders but we have one of the best defensive records in the world for almost a decade now. Still, you and most of the people always bash our defense.

But then I can understand yo don't rate our defense because we have weaknesses up there but one thing I really don't understand is that you praise Argentina while their defense is the weakest from all teams that are in the second round.

Nah, Brasil's defense is much better than yours, mate. I am not saying your defense is bad, its just that Brasil IMO have best defense in the world. And two quality DM's protecting it. Holland's defense has been playing well, but I would like to see how it holds up against quality counterattacking teams... last time round, that was your undoing (Euro08)... and Brasil are the best counter attacking team there is...

Maybe your attackers save you if they have a great game against Brasil (and u have that capability) but IMO 8 times out of ten, Brasil will beat ya.

Re Argentina, its the talent rather than the performance that I am refering to... you can see me qualifying that sentence with a "maybe" and an "if". With the right defensive selection/discipline, Argies could ve been as strong as the brasilians.

they could certainly be better. they have better players now. fact.
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