"Depende del Barcelona y del Arsenal. Cesc ya ha dicho que quiere venir. Ojalá juegue con nosotros. Él y yo somos compatibles. Es un jugador con el ADN del Barça".
Barcelona president plays down chase for Arsenal's Cesc Fábregas• Rosell says bid may wait until next summer
• Spain midfielder is on post-World Cup holiday
)Matt Scott guardian.co.uk, Friday 16 July 2010 19.47 BST Article history
Cesc Fábregas appears certain to be Arsenal's captain next season after the Barcelona president today said his club would not attempt to buy the Spain midfielder this summer. However, Sandro Rosell said that he intends to make a new offer for Fábregas next year.
"Arsenal feel very hurt by Barça," Rosell told Catalan television. "They don't want to listen to offers or sell and they are not putting the player on the market. There was a strong dispute a few months ago and they have not forgotten it. He will come, even if it is not now, it will be next year. We will see. One thing that is certain is that we will not be throwing the house at trying to sign him. No shareholder would pay €60m [£50.6m] or €70m [£59.1m] for him. We would only pay his value in the transfer market."
Arsenal see their captain as priceless and their angry reaction to what they considered to be a derisory first bid, of €30m [£25.3m], was hardly surprising. Barça's recent €27m [£22.8m] sale of Yaya Touré to Manchester City provides context: the Ivorian is a defensive midfielder who was rejected by Arsenal seven years ago.
Arsenal will hope that Rosell's words draw a line under another summer of speculation, of the kind that was a perennial feature of the close season when Patrick Vieira and Thierry Henry captained the club. However, Arsenal will not be sure that the matter is closed until Fábregas returns for training after his extended break following Spain's run to the World Cup final.
If Fábregas handed in a transfer request, the scenario would change again. In that event Arsenal would appeal to him to recognise the financial consequences for both player and club. If Fábregas submits a transfer request he will forfeit loyalty bonuses worth millions of pounds and significantly reduce the fee Arsenal could demand from Barcelona.
As matters stand, the Catalans have been forced to admit that they are moving towards a period of austerity and that Fábregas is out of their reach.
"We are making a policy to rationalise our costs, using common sense and prudence," said Rosell.
Despite his Spain team-mates' post-World Cup prank of forcing him to wear a Barcelona shirt, Fábregas's most recent comments have indicated that he will stay in north London. He dedicated his World Cup winner's medal to Arsenal's players, fans, manager and staff this week.
His bond with Arsène Wenger is strong but the manager's contract has only 11 months to run. Both club and manager foresee talks on an extension being resolved in the coming months, but should such talks stall then Arsenal could face the prospect of losing their captain and their manager next summer.
kas wrote:You guys will love these new comments from Xavi today:
"Depende del Barcelona y del Arsenal. Cesc ya ha dicho que quiere venir. Ojalá juegue con nosotros. Él y yo somos compatibles. Es un jugador con el ADN del Barça".
It depends on Barça and Arsenal. Cesc has said that he wants to come. I hope he plays with us. Him and I are compatible. He is a player with the Barça DNA.
TheCrazy58 wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/16/barcelona-president-arsenal-cesc-fabregas
Barcelona president plays down chase for Arsenal's Cesc Fábregas• Rosell says bid may wait until next summer
• Spain midfielder is on post-World Cup holiday
)Matt Scott guardian.co.uk, Friday 16 July 2010 19.47 BST Article history
Cesc Fábregas appears certain to be Arsenal's captain next season after the Barcelona president today said his club would not attempt to buy the Spain midfielder this summer. However, Sandro Rosell said that he intends to make a new offer for Fábregas next year.
"Arsenal feel very hurt by Barça," Rosell told Catalan television. "They don't want to listen to offers or sell and they are not putting the player on the market. There was a strong dispute a few months ago and they have not forgotten it. He will come, even if it is not now, it will be next year. We will see. One thing that is certain is that we will not be throwing the house at trying to sign him. No shareholder would pay €60m [£50.6m] or €70m [£59.1m] for him. We would only pay his value in the transfer market."
Arsenal see their captain as priceless and their angry reaction to what they considered to be a derisory first bid, of €30m [£25.3m], was hardly surprising. Barça's recent €27m [£22.8m] sale of Yaya Touré to Manchester City provides context: the Ivorian is a defensive midfielder who was rejected by Arsenal seven years ago.
Arsenal will hope that Rosell's words draw a line under another summer of speculation, of the kind that was a perennial feature of the close season when Patrick Vieira and Thierry Henry captained the club. However, Arsenal will not be sure that the matter is closed until Fábregas returns for training after his extended break following Spain's run to the World Cup final.
If Fábregas handed in a transfer request, the scenario would change again. In that event Arsenal would appeal to him to recognise the financial consequences for both player and club. If Fábregas submits a transfer request he will forfeit loyalty bonuses worth millions of pounds and significantly reduce the fee Arsenal could demand from Barcelona.
As matters stand, the Catalans have been forced to admit that they are moving towards a period of austerity and that Fábregas is out of their reach.
"We are making a policy to rationalise our costs, using common sense and prudence," said Rosell.
Despite his Spain team-mates' post-World Cup prank of forcing him to wear a Barcelona shirt, Fábregas's most recent comments have indicated that he will stay in north London. He dedicated his World Cup winner's medal to Arsenal's players, fans, manager and staff this week.
His bond with Arsène Wenger is strong but the manager's contract has only 11 months to run. Both club and manager foresee talks on an extension being resolved in the coming months, but should such talks stall then Arsenal could face the prospect of losing their captain and their manager next summer.
God knows, Barca can still do a U-turn and have another go though it appears Rossell has changed his tack and is now looking to use this missed opportunity as another ammunition against Laporta. In any case their time and money (whatever they can scratch together from the back of the sofa) would be better spent on Torres who'd be a lot more available than Cesc will be this summer.
Arsene Wenger is expecting the transfer speculation surrounding Cesc Fabregas to stop after talking to the Arsenal captain.
Barcelona have been trying to persuade the Gunners to sell Fabregas this summer and have seen one offer flatly rejected by the Premier League club.
Fabregas has previously suggested he would be keen to return to Camp Nou, but Arsenal have been steadfast in their refusal to countenance his exit.
New Barca president Sandro Rosell has now all-but conceded defeat in his bid to sign the Spain international this year and Wenger is hoping the rumours will grind to a halt.
Too much talk
"There was too much talk," the Arsenal manager told Sky Sports News.
"I always said that we are really, really wanting him to stay as he is such an important player for us.
"He's our captain, we want to keep him and that's why we are not listening to any offers.
"It just was not a problem of money, just the desire to keep him at the club.
"It is stopped (the talk). We never wanted to start anyway."
Wenger confirmed he had discussed the situation with the midfielder, but did not want to divulge the contents of the conversation.
He added: "I have spoken to him, of course, but I never come out publicly with what we talk about.
"There was a lot of unneeded talk that was not helpful for Arsenal Football Club and that's why I don't think we have to add anything to that.
"I know what is important for us. Arsenal Football Club is a massive club and what is important is that everybody focuses on being successful next season."
kas wrote:So now it's Barça who are the villains for treating him badly and breaking his relationship by the Arsenal fans by not signing him
Stop spinning this all kinds of ways, Arsenal fans. Just come to terms with the fact that Cesc wants out, and the only thing Wenger will achieve by keeping him this summer, is getting a lower fee for him when he inevitably leaves next summer
As I'm sure you've seen written many times, no Arsenal fan expects Fabregas to stick with us forever and a transfer next summer would be a possibility if the terms were right. You're right in the regard that Wenger can't convince him to stay on year after year, I'm sure even he knows that.kas wrote:Yes, but this is the first summer where Barça have actually made an official bid, and more crucially, the first time Cesc has openly spoken of his desire to leave. This time I genuinely don't see him staying beyond next summer, unless Arsenal win something. Wenger can't convince him to stay forever.
I never knew that, in a way it does make sense as those sorts of things are agreed all the time. However it is an irrelevence considering how unique the situation is, the player will only ever leave Arsenal for one club, and other rival clubs know this and won't waste their time chasing a player who would have no intention joining them.kas wrote:Barça do have a "first option" of sorts - basically, one of the conditions when he was sold (or rather, when the compensation deal for him being stolen was being worked out) was that if any club makes an offer, Barça have first option to match that offer.
I don't see how we got him has much of an impact on his value, this was seven years ago now and we even reasoned with you at the time by giving you an international class player for next to nothing who was an everpresent in a team that was very successful. You agreed to that and although I can understand you bringing that up it doesn't bare much influence on me.kas wrote:Let me ask, what price is acceptable for a player you got on a free transfer, has spent 6 years with you, and wants to leave?
kas wrote:I believe the value of the remainder of his contract is around 35m euros (hence the initial bid). How much of a premium do you expect on top of that?
But isn't this one big show of power? Like I've seen you say in the past Laporta wanted to sign him to bring the curtain down on his successful spell as president and also to use it for his own gain in his future political career. With the fact Rosell will want to 'get one over' on his predecessor you can see that we want to take advantage as well.kas wrote:Keep in mind that this is not a 'normal' signing for Barça...there are mixed feelings about it in a purely sporting sense anyway, and even more doubts from a political aspect. You can expect 60m or 70m or whatever from Real Madrid or Inter, not Barcelona.
Fair enough, I can't wait for all this to begin again next year.kas wrote:The board is spending big money for one of our own youth players that was nicked away. You took advantage of the player's desire to leave when he was 16, we'll most certainly take advantage of his desire to leave now
Re: Let's talk about Cesc baby...all summer long by Hem fet un.. Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:57 am
Re: Let's talk about Cesc baby...all summer long by The Pröfessör Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:28 pm
kas wrote:OMG look he signed a Barça shirt, how dare that fan show such disrespect by offering him a Barça shirt to autograph!!!
kas wrote:And in today's episode of "Disgraceful actions done to Cesc Fabregas by those rude people of Barcelona", we have him surrounded by a bunch of kids in a swimming pool, threatening to drown him if he doesn't sign.
Disgrace I tell you. Disgrace!
Cesc Soler wrote:You've been saying the "inevitably leaves next summer" line for the last four years, haven't you learn't your lesson yet?
The Professor wrote:kas wrote:OMG look he signed a Barça shirt, how dare that fan show such disrespect by offering him a Barça shirt to autograph!!!kas wrote:And in today's episode of "Disgraceful actions done to Cesc Fabregas by those rude people of Barcelona", we have him surrounded by a bunch of kids in a swimming pool, threatening to drown him if he doesn't sign.
Disgrace I tell you. Disgrace!
Are u sure u are OK Kas? I'm seriously concerned about your mental state reading the posts above. And please don't thank me for showing concern
The Professor wrote:Cesc Soler wrote:You've been saying the "inevitably leaves next summer" line for the last four years, haven't you learn't your lesson yet?
Exactly what I thought after reading his post.
Barcelona are not the 1st club where Cesc received his footballing education, so just because he spent 6 years at your club doesn't mean u own him forever. You paid measly fee to his 1st club to get him, we did the same to u to get him (plus even gave u a Dutch international who went on to serve u so well). Get over it, he's not yours.
The Professor wrote:Get over it, he's not yours.
He sure sounds desperate to come back "home".
Re: Let's talk about Cesc baby...all summer long by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:29 pm
Re: Let's talk about Cesc baby...all summer long by Hem fet un.. Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:49 pm
Re: Let's talk about Cesc baby...all summer long by Hem fet un.. Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:40 pm
L r dd wrote:I see mentions of Southampton and Puro, i can only presume two forum members have taken their battles into another place
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