Premier League Discussion 14/15/16 August 2010

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:3 CBs and 3 DMs.. Nice

Barry and Yaya Toure is Dm's now?

What else do they do? Yaya Toure might score a stunning goal one game out of ten but that doesn't make him an attacking midfielder. Barry is just a jack of all trades. All three of them together and still they are getting dominated by Huddlestone and Modric.

And watching the match its clear that both are playing alongside De Jong in a line, hardly getting close to Silva. Tevez has to drop deep to create any sort of opportunity. I do not understand Mancini's tactics here at all.

I don't think that they are clearly on line. Just now Yaya Toure was positioned as a lone Dm in the build up. Also when they counter City at times 3-4 players running towards the box. I don't think Modric or Huddlestone have been that good really. It has been the wingers that have done well.

But it's exactly where Huddlestone i Modric have done well - being outnumbered in centre midfield they make sure to move the ball quickly to advanced wingers, they offered good ball movement allowing Lennon and Bale to attack City's fullbacks. Simple, but it worked well to some point.

Tevez has been too selfish and ball hogging. It is ok to drop deep which he did last season quite well at times. However some times he just runs towards the ball and wants to take it off players. Totally forgot about Johnson. In that case it is indeed crazy that he didn't start while SWP did.

This does smell like a smash and grab. Hopefully City scores soon so we get an exciting finish to a good game.

GIOOOOOOOOOOOO

Gio

Sky sports fail

Cant display the substitution graphic.

borocooper wrote:Scored the goal that got them CL football..to be fair.

Yeah, none of the other goals Spurs scored before helped them to CL football...

Bale

De Jong did well though to stop Keane scoring.

Oh dear

Not very good Gareth

shazlx wrote:

COTR wrote:Redknapp probably thought with two crossing wingers he would be better to play Crouch and a goal scorer beside him.

Would love to see Gio get a run in this team but it is hard to see where Harry is going to play him.

Both Pav and Ngog coming on

Except Pav is tall and arguably better at making attacking headers. Not only that, his footwork would bring in other players allowing Spurs to dominate further. And Defoe only scores goals when he's scoring goals. No big team and wannabe big team should be starting with these players. Crouch shouldn't even be in the squad.

Exactly what I have been thinking as well.

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:3 CBs and 3 DMs.. Nice

Barry and Yaya Toure is Dm's now?

What else do they do? Yaya Toure might score a stunning goal one game out of ten but that doesn't make him an attacking midfielder. Barry is just a jack of all trades. All three of them together and still they are getting dominated by Huddlestone and Modric.

And watching the match its clear that both are playing alongside De Jong in a line, hardly getting close to Silva. Tevez has to drop deep to create any sort of opportunity. I do not understand Mancini's tactics here at all.

I don't think that they are clearly on line. Just now Yaya Toure was positioned as a lone Dm in the build up. Also when they counter City at times 3-4 players running towards the box. I don't think Modric or Huddlestone have been that good really. It has been the wingers that have done well.

I think Mancini should take SWP out right away and replace him with Adebayor and let Tevez play on the wing.

Shalx
I agree on Tottenham's strikers. I don't rate either Crouch or Defoe so obviously Harry plays both of them. If Tottenham were playing Modric behind Pav then Tottenham would look better.

Defoe, on form, is fantastic. Problem is, he tends to have a 3-4 month hot streak, and when off form, is totally anonymous.

Crouch, for me, should be a sub at best. Never been a massive fan simply because of his immobility.

I would like to see Harry put Bale at left back, Gio on the left and get rid of Assou Ekotto. A Bale / Gio overlapping left side has the potential to be something special, particularly in the Champions League.

Even when he is scoring im not that impressed. I would be very impressed he managed to make a dent in CL against a good team. He doesn't offer enough imo even when he is in good form. Also I think Gio would be better on the right as a winger cutting similarly to what he does for Mexico. But the idea is good though. I wonder if Bale isn't simply better as a winger then a fullback.

stinger wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:3 CBs and 3 DMs.. Nice

Barry and Yaya Toure is Dm's now?

What else do they do? Yaya Toure might score a stunning goal one game out of ten but that doesn't make him an attacking midfielder. Barry is just a jack of all trades. All three of them together and still they are getting dominated by Huddlestone and Modric.

And watching the match its clear that both are playing alongside De Jong in a line, hardly getting close to Silva. Tevez has to drop deep to create any sort of opportunity. I do not understand Mancini's tactics here at all.

I don't think that they are clearly on line. Just now Yaya Toure was positioned as a lone Dm in the build up. Also when they counter City at times 3-4 players running towards the box. I don't think Modric or Huddlestone have been that good really. It has been the wingers that have done well.

But it's exactly where Huddlestone i Modric have done well - being outnumbered in centre midfield they make sure to move the ball quickly to advanced wingers, they offered good ball movement allowing Lennon and Bale to attack City's fullbacks. Simple, but it worked well to some point.

That is true and I give credit for the quick passing but for me Silva/SWP weren't good enough defensively either. Plus the fact that I simply don't rate any of City's defenders.

Superb defending again, this time from Kompany.

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:

Six wrote:3 CBs and 3 DMs.. Nice

Barry and Yaya Toure is Dm's now?

What else do they do? Yaya Toure might score a stunning goal one game out of ten but that doesn't make him an attacking midfielder. Barry is just a jack of all trades. All three of them together and still they are getting dominated by Huddlestone and Modric.

And watching the match its clear that both are playing alongside De Jong in a line, hardly getting close to Silva. Tevez has to drop deep to create any sort of opportunity. I do not understand Mancini's tactics here at all.

I don't think that they are clearly on line. Just now Yaya Toure was positioned as a lone Dm in the build up. Also when they counter City at times 3-4 players running towards the box. I don't think Modric or Huddlestone have been that good really. It has been the wingers that have done well.

I think Mancini should take SWP out right away and replace him with Adebayor and let Tevez play on the wing.

Shalx
I agree on Tottenham's strikers. I don't rate either Crouch or Defoe so obviously Harry plays both of them. If Tottenham were playing Modric behind Pav then Tottenham would look better.

Defoe, on form, is fantastic. Problem is, he tends to have a 3-4 month hot streak, and when off form, is totally anonymous.

Crouch, for me, should be a sub at best. Never been a massive fan simply because of his immobility.

I would like to see Harry put Bale at left back, Gio on the left and get rid of Assou Ekotto. A Bale / Gio overlapping left side has the potential to be something special, particularly in the Champions League.

Why would you get rid of him. He's been awesome today. You should at least retain him in the squad.

Regarding Gio at LW or LM. I don't think it would work. He doesn't seem like a left sided player to me. For me he should play AM or RM.

Pav has been excellent since coming on

Ngog well, hasnt

shazlx wrote:

borocooper wrote:Scored the goal that got them CL football..to be fair.

Yeah, none of the other goals Spurs scored before helped them to CL football...

He scored a decent few of those too

What is it exactly that makes Tottenham fans rate Dawson?

Super Laudrup wrote:What is it exactly that makes Tottenham fans rate Dawson?

He makes it onto the pitch, unlike their other CBs ?

Super Laudrup wrote:What is it exactly that makes Tottenham fans rate Dawson?

Probably that we watch more Spurs matches than those fans that don't

Mancini got what he came for

Goater will be happy in London tonight

FT 0 - 0. Good result for both teams. I'd be happy for us to take a point from Anfield tomorrow.

Milner to start for Villa vs WHam, says Sky.

FT: Spurs 0-0 Man City

No goals but an entertaining opening game to the season.

TheCrazy58 wrote:FT 0 - 0. Good result for both teams. I'd be happy for us to take a point from Anfield tomorrow.

Nah, not really. We've beaten City 11 of the last 13 meetings. We should have beaten them again today. I see it as 2 points lost, particularly as City will have had time to gel and will be playing at home next time we take them on at Eastlands

Schwarzer does not start for Fulham. Hmmm.

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:What is it exactly that makes Tottenham fans rate Dawson?

Probably that we watch more Spurs matches than those fans that don't

Not saying he sucks but don't think he is good enough either for the level that Tottenham wishes to compete on. Would you be happy if he was a clear starter alongside King?

TheCrazy58 wrote:FT 0 - 0. Good result for both teams. I'd be happy for us to take a point from Anfield tomorrow.

Its only a good result for Spurs if you believe the ManC hype. Its not a good result and could have been prevented if they started with better strikers.

Same old shit. Can't break down the parked bus. Hart MOTM

Huddlestone & Modric have done great as deep CM's so I'd like to see:

-----------Huddlestone------Modric
Lennon---------------Krancjar-----------Giovani
---------------------Pavlyuchenko

Sorry fellow Gooners but I *heart* Bale.

Spurs have unfortunately got the making of a good team but they are limiting their progress by persisting with their Europa league strikers(forcing them to play the outdated 4-4-2). Pav is their only striker who could develop into a CL level striker, play him alone upfront and bring in an extra midfielder or wing forward to make it a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3. This reminds of how England forced a 4-4-2 upon themselves by persisting with Heskey, benching that joker and bringing in someone like Adam johnson or Joe Cole could have made a difference.

I'm glad this game finished 0-0 as I don't think we'll get anything more than a draw at Anfield tomorrow.

shazlx wrote:

TheCrazy58 wrote:FT 0 - 0. Good result for both teams. I'd be happy for us to take a point from Anfield tomorrow.

Its only a good result for Spurs if you believe the ManC hype. Its not a good result and could have been prevented if they started with better strikers.

That's true. Also City would have done better with Bellamy.

Super Laudrup wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Super Laudrup wrote:What is it exactly that makes Tottenham fans rate Dawson?

Probably that we watch more Spurs matches than those fans that don't

Not saying he sucks but don't think he is good enough either for the level that Tottenham wishes to compete on. Would you be happy if he was a clear starter alongside King?

Dawson is rated for the same reason Carragher, Terry, Vidic, Dunne etc. are all rated by fans of their respective clubs - he represents the average fan on the pitch.

first half was better than anything the WC dished up. Second half wasn't as open with both teams getting a little tired but Spurs definately showed more attacking intent. Don't understand City at all, they didn't have any strikers today, Silva and Tevez need to be part of a front 3 behind Adebayor and they found it too hard to get any real link up play going today. Yaya Toure had a great game, as did Hart but City badly need a right back still and a manager with a bit more balls.

Mancini's 4-3-3-0 experiment is probably a success so far, because he obviously went there hoping for a draw.