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    CL Round of 16 - Spurs vs. Milan match thread

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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:43 am

    Noah and the Bale wrote:
    Allez les rouges wrote:They are fucking vicious, dangerous chav thugs based in one of the most soul-destroying and disturbingly deprived areas one can ever have the misfortune to pass through – even the people on the buses over there are deformed and you feel your soul seep away in manner of putting on Frodo's ring (congrats on the win by the way).

    Kimbo makes out like they are fecking King's Road Sloanes or Henley sherry-quaffers, which gives the unnerving yet amusing impression that he has never been south of Mankchester.

    Laugh

    That is some good shizer.

    To be fair, most Arsenal fans believe anyone who doesn't have at least 2 well groomed kids, conditioned hair and a trustworthy white or conservative black complexion is a dangerous chav thug.
    This is exactly what we think, how did you know? Embarassed

    So I think we are all agreed that Kimbo hasn't a clue and everyone is right, and can all have a good chuckle at poor Bluenine's expense Razz

    (it is worth YouTubing "Aux armes" ("nous sommes les Marseillais!!" etc) and all the rest of it to see the truth of Sam's remarks)
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    Post by Pirlo Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:58 am

    Glad Corluka's injury is not as bad as first feared, even if he will miss a month apparantly, just thank goodness there was no break or serious ligament damage,

    Damn shame about Woodgate too, fantastic player like Ledley King, both sadly ruined what surely would have both been top careers and an international defensive partnership for England by injuries outside of their control.

    White Hart Lane is a good stadium, i saw a preseason game v Fiorentina there when i was in the UK visiting, not that obviously that compares to a league or Champions League game, but very steep, a bit like Luigi Ferraris in that respect in that the atmosphere is very 'close'.

    Looking forward to seeing more of Modric in the second match, little genius, without dount my favourite European midfielder outside of Pirlo and the Barcelona Xavi/Iniesta axis.
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:38 am

    Yes, it is a shame about Woodgate - would have been great to see him back in a Spurs shirt regularly. Alas, looks like it ain't ever going to happen again.

    I'll tell you what - Modric got overlooked by Wenger because he felt he wasn't tough enough to compete in England. Wenger usually gets it right with his signings, but that one was so far off the mark I don't even know where to begin. For all his slightness, Modric is one of the toughest, dogged players you'll ever see. For me, Modric + Huddlestone is one of the best central midfield partnerships in Europe. The fact that Sandro and Palacios did so well against Milan shows we have a phenomenally talented midfield squad. Now all we need is a top class striker....fancy giving us Pato? (why the fuck didn't he start? Surely a much better option than Robinho?) Laughing
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    Post by Red n' Black Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:42 pm

    Pato is a much better goalscorer and better athlete, Robinho is a lot better technically and more intelligent. So when you play Ibra & Cassano, Robinho is able to link up a lot better with these two than Pato. And (believe it or not) he also works harder.
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    Post by fcb Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:00 pm

    Fantastic performance by Spurs, we already knew they would have too much pace and energy for Milan to handle, esp. at the fullback positions (did the LB win even one battle with Lennon? ) but tactically they were excellent too. Midfield and defense controlled Milan throughout.
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    Post by Pirlo Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:26 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:Yes, it is a shame about Woodgate - would have been great to see him back in a Spurs shirt regularly. Alas, looks like it ain't ever going to happen again.

    I'll tell you what - Modric got overlooked by Wenger because he felt he wasn't tough enough to compete in England. Wenger usually gets it right with his signings, but that one was so far off the mark I don't even know where to begin. For all his slightness, Modric is one of the toughest, dogged players you'll ever see. For me, Modric + Huddlestone is one of the best central midfield partnerships in Europe. The fact that Sandro and Palacios did so well against Milan shows we have a phenomenally talented midfield squad. Now all we need is a top class striker....fancy giving us Pato? (why the fuck didn't he start? Surely a much better option than Robinho?) Laughing

    Haven't seen much of Huddlestones,

    Agree about Modric, he's absolutely phenomenal, reminds me so much of Pirlo in the way he can throw off and go between two markers with ease and a change of direction, and he has a great passing ability too, only difference is he's much more mobile and quick and very snappy.

    Spurs were defensively brilliant, and great pass for the counter by Modric as well,

    You can have Pato for Modric and Kranjcar, seeing as we'l be getting Balotelli in a matter of time anyway Wink
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:36 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:
    I'll tell you what - Modric got overlooked by Wenger because he felt he wasn't tough enough to compete in England. Wenger usually gets it right with his signings, but that one was so far off the mark I don't even know where to begin

    Wenger, Andy Gray and me all thought he wouldn't make it here Embarassed

    I didn't think he was that great v England when they qualified and we didn't - I thought Kranjcar was the better prospect Neutral


    He is genuine WC now though beyond doubt.

    Wenger would never sign Modric or VDV because he is a faux purist.

    If you were a scout and you told Wenger that you had discovered the most talented player in the history of football but he is short and not good at running he wouldn't be interested.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:57 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    Noah and the Bale wrote:
    I'll tell you what - Modric got overlooked by Wenger because he felt he wasn't tough enough to compete in England. Wenger usually gets it right with his signings, but that one was so far off the mark I don't even know where to begin

    Wenger, Andy Gray and me all thought he wouldn't make it here Embarassed

    I didn't think he was that great v England when they qualified and we didn't - I thought Kranjcar was the better prospect Neutral


    He is genuine WC now though beyond doubt.

    Wenger would never sign Modric or VDV because he is a faux purist.

    If you were a scout and you told Wenger that you had discovered the most talented player in the history of football but he is short and not good at running he wouldn't be interested.

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    Wenger comes out with a lot of bollocks sometimes, could be transfer tactics. I remember him saying something similar about Arshavin before breaking our transfer record on him. Just seen this from Modric:

    "Yes, I was close to moving to Arsenal," Modric told El Mundo Deportivo.

    "Arsene Wenger tried to sign me at the same time that he signed my friend Eduardo, a great striker that I was sure would make it at Arsenal to replace [Thierry] Henry.


    "Wenger wanted me because the Czech Rosicky could have left. It was an honour that a manager who works so well with the youngsters was interested in me, but I preferred to wait."

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_3077534,00.html

    Agree though that he's an unbelievable player.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:54 am

    World Class Spurs Player given an EMB stamp of approval - eat it Kimbo! cheers

    In fact watching Wilshere - his style is more reminiscent of Modric/Iniesta than another. All play bigger than themselves.

    I think the victory was another step forward in our progress as a team, much like the NLD victory at the lane was last March. We weren't balls-to-the wall, we weren't naive to the point of hilarity, we had a game plan and executed it almost perfectly. Tactically Redknapp was top notch from the beginning (normally he's great at fixing initial errors). It was a performance that suggested that we shouldn't fear anybody.

    It must've taken some serious balls to drop Krancjar ofter he earned us 6 points in the league recently, but the more dynamic Piennar was the much better option.

    Pierre - I agree with you on Wenger - yes he likes to keep the ball on the ground but he wants all of his players to be athletic & mobile, in fact his pre 2005 teams (you know the ones that won things Smile) were all physically beastly, and were most effective playing on the counter. It's only during the "Fabregas era" that they've moved to a style based on ball retention.

    @ Professor - Cesc is a great athlete these days - certainly compared to when he was younger - remember his burst of speed to keep up with Walcott when you were playing Villa at home last season Question.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:38 am

    That's how he did his hamstring though isn't it Sad Wink

    Still, I think the likes of Wilshere, Cesc, Arshavin – all imposing, physical, athletic specimens, yeah...

    Agreed on Modric's world-class status, along probably with van der Vaart and Bale.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:45 am

    Another thought on Modric: could we almost discern a trend for successfully converting players/midfielders to CM who it was not initially thought could really play central/defensive midfield because they lacked the defensive qualities? Because it then turns out that their excellence in winning and keeping the ball makes them prime candidates for precisely that position.

    Schweinsteiger, Modric, Wilshere... others?

    I guess Lampard is an example of the trick not working so well.
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:07 pm

    Good shout about ball retention. To be a truly stand out central midfielder, you need to possess the ability to win back and then make the space to distribute cleanly and creatively, as opposed to giving possession straight back to the opposition.

    Also, in order to be a successful, true CM, you need to be able to put the team first. IE your passing and defensive duties are more important than the glory of scoring.

    Which is why Lampard fails, on both counts - he's not disciplined enough and capable of maintaining possession like those you mention. To be fair, his main strength is his shooting, so he makes those runs into the box, so is certainly more an attacking player than a true CM.

    Oh, and before his injury, I'd have put Tommy Tugboat on the cusp of becoming WC aswell, as for at least a season he has ticked both boxes above - capable of making himself space under tight circumstances and playing creatively whilst performing the disciplined role of a proper CM.

    Basically, we're awesome Ale
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:54 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:I'd have put Tommy Tugboat on the cusp of becoming WC aswell

    Biggrin
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:08 pm

    Kneel before the majesty of UNIT, or face the motherfucking consequences


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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:57 pm

    Isn't it supposed to be italics as well as bold and underlined? Smile
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:31 am

    Gattuso on not travelling to #Spurs: I've been told there are 47,000 people there waiting to give me a slap, so I will stay here."

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    Post by bluenine Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:26 pm

    Ade wrote:Gattuso on not travelling to #Spurs: I've been told there are 47,000 people there waiting to give me a slap, so I will stay here."
    Very Happy
    Inspite of Gattuso's good form this season, Boateng for Gattuso can only be an improvement in a Pirlo-less Milan. Spurs may be favourites after the excellent result in the first leg, but Milan can and probably will raise their game. IMO Milan are the most likely of the 3 Italian teams to overturn the poor result at home.
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    Post by Pirlo Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:42 pm

    If only van Bommel and Cassano could play i'd be confident of overturning the result, Boateng's return is massive from a dynamic point of view but Allegri hasn't played him in midfield yet, he's been used either as a 2 behind Ibra or wide in the 3.

    Pato's return to form is absolutely crucial and we need him to keep it up for this match, if we can get an early goal that psychologically that is crucial because then we can relax more and play a more compact match and not be orced to confront the issue, it will leave us far less susceptible to the counter which was Tottenham's only genuine threat at San Siro - lots of possession but no threat. With Modric in their side though, magic alert.

    Allegri has some work to do in covering Antonini, Abate is just as quick as Bale although Bale is probably more physically imposing so not a pace issue on the right, Thiago will probably drop back so there won't be the frightening prospect of someone isolating Yepes in a sprint, we need to get the ball through the midfields right and cover when the fullbacks are forward, tactically we need the match spot on in terms of tempo and discipline and patience and we need absolute concentration to the plan.

    Tottenham remain favourites because of the lead, Modric and their pace on the counter, but if we can devise a good strategy and the team continues its current form (especially Pato) then we may have a slight chance to pull it back, but we will massively miss the cup-tied players. I think this season is far too early for Milan in terms of the Cup anyway, next two seasons depending on the summer work in midfield and defense will be our chance to get back.
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:10 pm

    I agree - the key here is when Milan score.

    As long as you remain 1-0 down you are obliged to find that away goal, so you cannot sit back and be content to play a traditional "away" tie.

    As for us, it's not really in 'Arry or the team's nature to play on the back foot at home, so I'm just hoping we don't naively go gung-ho looking for a 2nd to kill off the game immediately and get caught short at the back.

    However, that is a better tactic than sitting deep and allowing Milan onto us, as I don't trust our defence under such circumstances. I also don't think Milan are overly dangerous on the break as they lack urgency and pace. So I would hope we approach this like we did the Inter game and overwhelm them with playing a lot of width, quick one-two's in the centre and with lots of movement to pull the central defenders away from the fullbacks and get them isolated in one on one's with Bale/Lennon.

    Should be intriguing. Certainly not guaranteed to win this tie, although I'm confident - I've seen how good we've played at times this season and see no reason to fear anyone in Europe, except for Barcelona.
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    Post by Red n' Black Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:27 pm

    I think the Spurs are very big favourites to be honest, if they remain tactically concentrated and as Noah said and do not go gung-ho then I don't see us overturning the result.

    I feel that what we are truly lacking isn't really pace or energy, it is ability on the ball and creativity in midfield. Abate, TS, Pato, Flamini, Boateng, Robinho etc are not slow players at all. Yet, a player like Pirlo who isn't fast/dynamic is one that makes a ton of difference in our game. Our midfield is the main problem area; the fact that we cannot field Van Bommell/Ambro, Pirlo or Cassano makes things significantly worse, but even our first choice midfield isn't good enough to constistently create chances against good teams, as we could do so effortlessly in the past.

    Then there's the question of who's actually gonna play against Tottenham. After being punished on the counter in the first leg, I do not see Allegri insisting with Thiago at DM, so he's going back to CB. Flamini and Boateng have to play, only because there are no alternatives. I can't think who else is available for this, I think it is just Seedorf and Merkel(and maybe Strasser). Playing Seedorf would be an exercise in futility, so I'd go with Merkel, the kid has played a lot this year and even if he plays shit he will gain some more experience. I'd even play Strasser at DM if he is ready, and play two forwards instead of three(only to have an option of the bench). In any case, the bottom line is that any midfield combo that we field isn't good enough to support the attack and this is something that can only be rectified this summer.


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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:03 pm

    Pretty short sighted of the Milan management to buy 3 players who were all cup tied.
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    Post by Red n' Black Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:01 pm

    Yeah, but I think the management also understands that we do not have a team that can compete for the CL and focused on getting players to try and secure the league(and Cassano-Van Bommel have been important for that, Emanuelson hasn't really played thus far).

    Anyway, I've just read that Boateng is out as a result of the Felipe Melo collision, which sucks, as he was just getting back from injury.

    Any midfield combination we assemble is going to be disgraceful, as all we have left is:

    Flams
    Seedorf(shit and only played by Allegri when there are no any other options)
    Jankulovski(played about 2 games in two years and hasn't played in midfield for ages)

    and the two youngsters Merkel and Strasser who are also coming back from injury.

    I guess we might see a natural CB(Thiago or maybe even Sokratis) having to play in midfield again.
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    Post by bluenine Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:01 pm

    Milan have little chance. Because I think some players may have already given up. I was surprised to read comments of "we are not ready for the CL this season", and a couple of players have echoed that... thats not what you would like to hear from a team which needs to overturn a first leg deficit.

    A bit surprised with this attitude... Milan are usually not like that. Usually they are quite the opposite, and suffer from complacency Razz

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    Post by Pirlo Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:56 pm

    I appreciate the honesty from Nesta and Ibra, and they are absolutely right, the club started afresh a three season project to renew its objectives and squad, and we are just in the first year of that. The objective this season was the domestic double and we are on course for that with a squad specifically equipped to win those titles back,

    For Europe, our game and characteristics are not compatitble at the moment, hopefully the summer will add some dynamism and pace in midfield and we will actually sign some proper centre-back cover that can run and two proper full backs. But with a midfield tomorrow night that is expected to comprise a 19 year old, our third choice left-back and Seedorf playing in front of the back four, no chance. Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Boateng, van Bommel, Cassano and Emanuelson all out or ineligable is a big loss for any squad, short sighted indeed of the management to reinforce the team with absolute key players who cant play in Europe, but i genuinely feel that they knew all along since the first counter-attack defeat of the season against Cesena that there is absolutely no way this team will get any further than the Quarters at best, and to be honest after 7 seasons of no Scudetto and Inter, that's my priority.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:51 am

    bluenine wrote:Milan have little chance. Because I think some players may have already given up. I was surprised to read comments of "we are not ready for the CL this season", and a couple of players have echoed that... thats not what you would like to hear from a team which needs to overturn a first leg deficit.

    A bit surprised with this attitude... Milan are usually not like that. Usually they are quite the opposite, and suffer from complacency Razz

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    Isn't the CL supposed to be "in their DNA"? silent
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    Post by Pirlo Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:16 pm

    Zambrotta, Antonini, Boateng, Oddo, Boateng and Pato (returned to training yesterday) all included in the matchday squad despite being nowhere near full fitness,

    Ambrosini, Pirlo, Inzaghi out injured, Gattuso suspended,

    van Bommel, Cassano, Emanuelson cup ineligable.

    A rumoured starting midfield to include Merkel (gives the ball away at every oppotunity), Seedorf (exposed against counter attacking and pressing sides because he hangs on to the ball), and Jankulovski (third choice leftback and utterly shit). Boateng's fitness decides the formation though according to Allegri so he may be included in the midfield or behind the strikers depending on how he trains today.

    We have no chance against a team who will attack and run directly at pace, and let's not underestimate Spurs because Modric is probably behind Xavi and Iniesta as the best midfielder in Europe and in VdV they have another magician and a well organised unit defence that we saw at San Siro, we don't have the personell or midfield to take control of the match and the attack will again be isolated as we have no ball players in midfield and Boateng's dynamism will surely be tempered by his ankle injury, if only van Bommel and Cassano could play! Mad

    To qualify, Milan will have to play an absolutely perfect match against their least ideal opponents, Yikes
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    Post by Isco Benny Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:49 pm

    Pirlo,

    true, Modric and VDV are excellent players, but our strikers have been gash this season. Bless him, Crouch has managed to do well in Europe, but hardly the type of player to striker fear into opposition defences. You have a chance if you play like Blackpool and Wolves recently (Wink)

    In other news - Bale only makes bench apparently. Yet to see Pienaar put in a decent display for us yet, so there is a weakness there definitely. Also, VDV is not a certain starter either.

    Would hope to see the following team:

    ------------------Gomes-----------------------

    BAE---------Dawson-------Gallas--------Corluka (but thanks to Flamini, it'll be the more suspect Hutton)

    Lennon-------Modric-----Sandro---------Kranjcar

    -------------VDV------------------------------

    --------------------Defoe----------------------

    Crouch to come on if Defoe puts in another non existent performance...



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    Post by Pirlo Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:58 pm

    Kranjcar, there's another little genius!

    I'm sure you won't defend as badly as against Wolverhampton, micro-games force players to focus and concentrate more so i expect a really good home performance from Tottenham.
    Such a shame you're not in a challenging position in the Premiership because out of all the English teams in Europe i've seen you definately play the best, vibrant, pacy and technical football and it's strange to see why you're so far behind. I really think you're the 'dark horses' for this Cup, i'm watching the game in a bar in the Square tonight, so i'll be leaving shortly, so wish your club best wishes for tonight and if by some miraculous occurance we managed to contrive a win, can we have Modric?
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    Post by bluenine Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:08 pm

    Pirlo wrote:Kranjcar, there's another little genius!

    I'm sure you won't defend as badly as against Wolverhampton, micro-games force players to focus and concentrate more so i expect a really good home performance from Tottenham.
    Such a shame you're not in a challenging position in the Premiership because out of all the English teams in Europe i've seen you definately play the best, vibrant, pacy and technical football and it's strange to see why you're so far behind. I really think you're the 'dark horses' for this Cup, i'm watching the game in a bar in the Square tonight, so i'll be leaving shortly, so wish your club best wishes for tonight and if by some miraculous occurance we managed to contrive a win, can we have Modric?
    If you give them Modric, can we have Bale please?
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    Post by Isco Benny Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:16 pm

    Pirlo wrote:Kranjcar, there's another little genius!

    I'm sure you won't defend as badly as against Wolverhampton, micro-games force players to focus and concentrate more so i expect a really good home performance from Tottenham.
    Such a shame you're not in a challenging position in the Premiership because out of all the English teams in Europe i've seen you definately play the best, vibrant, pacy and technical football and it's strange to see why you're so far behind. I really think you're the 'dark horses' for this Cup, i'm watching the game in a bar in the Square tonight, so i'll be leaving shortly, so wish your club best wishes for tonight and if by some miraculous occurance we managed to contrive a win, can we have Modric?

    You hit the nail on the head with why we're not in a challenging position - our defence is often just plain bad, as it was against Wolves. And then throw in the fact our front 3 need 10 chances each to score (see Blackpool game as a perfect example), and it's not overly surprising we're only in 5th. Looking at how bad United are this season, I fully agree that we could do better, but then I suspect in order to do so we'd have to play a more rigid, tactically stifling game. And to be honest, I'm quite enjoying us playing kamikaze football - by far the most entertaining season as a Spurs supporter in ages..!

    Hope the game tonight is enjoyable, whatever the outcome, no one wants to see a 0-0 and I doubt we will. I won't lie, I'd be jealous of you getting to watch it in a nice Italian piazza on a nice warmish spring night. If I wasn't going to it myself - managed to get hold of a ticket this week from a corporate contact cheers Ale

    And if Modric does go, I'd prefer he went to Milan than those United c**ts from Manchester who seem to view us as some kind of feeder club. Alas, I have a sick feeling that is where he will end up, you only have to look at their current midfield to know the Scottish drunk will be going full guns for reinforcements this summer Crying or Very sad

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