Barcelona - Real Madrid quadruple clasico

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Re: Barcelona - Real Madrid quadruple clasico

by blutgraetsche Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:09 pm

Jaime wrote:
Well, I agree that Pepe helped in midfield. But Mourinho goes into these games intentionally conceding the ball to Barcelona. Even in the first half we only had the ball for 35% of the time. I know Barcelona are always going to dominate possession but it's like we don't even try. You expend a lot of energy chasing the ball and Barcelona will eventually find an opening.

You are absolutely right about Ronaldo which is why he can f*ck off to Milan as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly. It's not like this approach saves your team energy or anything, it's very demanding physically. You can play like that in an away match, e.g. in a cup competition when you're trying to get a result. But at home, in the league where you have to win to stand a theoretical chance to catch them? As fucking Real Madrid, seriously?

Madrid were playing like a small team tonight. Especially in the Clasico, that's inexcusable IMHO. You may get a result like that, if you're lucky, but you won't beat Barcelona indeed.

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by shazlx Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:10 pm

Jaime wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:
Although the ref takes most if the credit for helping turn the game, ozil has been excellent since coming on. A poor mans Adam Johnson which begs the question: Why on earth didn't he start?

Because Mourinho was, is and always will be a coward, that's why.

25% possession at the Bernabeu? That's a disgrace for Real Madrid, simple as.

Barca are ball hoggers for the sake of it. Most of the passing was around the center circle and in their own half. They are not as creative as they are made out to be!! You should count how many promising goal mouth situations each team had.

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by Isco Benny Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:10 pm

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Marcelo is just a vile human being.

Feigned Injured expression to Fist pumping celebration in record half second when Crouch was sent off : elephants will never forget and neither will I

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by blutgraetsche Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:11 pm

We Want 5! wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Touch-of-a-rapist alert: Spot the (ex-) Premier League players.

What's up ladies?

Blut, you old dog: welcome back. Where were you for some good old champions league banter? Spurs burying Bremen in the group stages just didnt feel complete without you

I was lost in the tsunami called life.

Anyone had a field day against Werder this season though, so the awful CL campaign didn't even matter in the end. It's been hell all around.

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by blutgraetsche Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:13 pm

shazlx wrote:

Jaime wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:
Although the ref takes most if the credit for helping turn the game, ozil has been excellent since coming on. A poor mans Adam Johnson which begs the question: Why on earth didn't he start?

Because Mourinho was, is and always will be a coward, that's why.

25% possession at the Bernabeu? That's a disgrace for Real Madrid, simple as.

Barca are ball hoggers for the sake of it. Most of the passing was around the center circle and in their own half. They are not as creative as they are made out to be!! You should count how many promising goal mouth situations each team had.

Of course that's Barcelona's style. But you won't beat them with three ball winning 'DMs' and no creativity to link attack and midfield. It's not about outpassing them, but outsmarting. Parking the bus isn't very smart.

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by shazlx Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:13 pm

COTR wrote:

shazlx wrote:The problem for Madrid is that they were playing with 10 men from the start. With Cronaldo in your team, you'll never be able to put out the complete team performance which is required to beat Barcelona.

Ronaldo remains unwatchable and an obscene player. I don't miss having to see that awful free kick routine every week.

excellently put.

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Post n°187

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by shazlx Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:17 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Jaime wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:
Although the ref takes most if the credit for helping turn the game, ozil has been excellent since coming on. A poor mans Adam Johnson which begs the question: Why on earth didn't he start?

Because Mourinho was, is and always will be a coward, that's why.

25% possession at the Bernabeu? That's a disgrace for Real Madrid, simple as.

Barca are ball hoggers for the sake of it. Most of the passing was around the center circle and in their own half. They are not as creative as they are made out to be!! You should count how many promising goal mouth situations each team had.

Of course that's Barcelona's style. But you won't beat them with three ball winning 'DMs' and no creativity to link attack and midfield. It's not about outpassing them, but outsmarting. Parking the bus isn't very smart.

IMO the creativity should have come from out wide (and it did to some extent). Marcelo did well. I understand that Di Maria works hard to track back so is valuable to the team but on the other wing... I don't really want to keep going on about him. Ozil showed his value when he came on.

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Post n°188

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by Isco Benny Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:17 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Touch-of-a-rapist alert: Spot the (ex-) Premier League players.

What's up ladies?

Blut, you old dog: welcome back. Where were you for some good old champions league banter? Spurs burying Bremen in the group stages just didnt feel complete without you

I was lost in the tsunami called life.

Anyone had a field day against Werder this season though, so the awful CL campaign didn't even matter in the end. It's been hell all around.

How's Marin been playing? Went to the spurs v bremen game. With him on the same pitch as Modric, looked like it was a "bring your son to work" day

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by blutgraetsche Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:21 pm

He had a rather crappy season to be honest, as most of the team with the exception of Wiese probably. Marin should have used the opportunity he had after Özil left, but he failed. Easier said than done in a disfunctional team though. Werder have problems everywhere really.

Marin needs to get a grip soon because his competition hasn't exactly gotten weaker. A lot of very talented players coming through who have already taken his place in the national team.

Never doubt his talent though.

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Post n°190

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by Isco Benny Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:22 pm

shazlx wrote:

COTR wrote:

shazlx wrote:The problem for Madrid is that they were playing with 10 men from the start. With Cronaldo in your team, you'll never be able to put out the complete team performance which is required to beat Barcelona.

Ronaldo remains unwatchable and an obscene player. I don't miss having to see that awful free kick routine every week.

excellently put.

Agreed.

Purely percentage player.

You put date rape drugs into enough drinks, you will eventually have sex with an unconscious woman

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Post n°191

Re: Barcelona - Real Madrid quadruple clasico

by TM Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:23 pm

We Want 5! wrote:

shazlx wrote:

COTR wrote:

shazlx wrote:The problem for Madrid is that they were playing with 10 men from the start. With Cronaldo in your team, you'll never be able to put out the complete team performance which is required to beat Barcelona.

Ronaldo remains unwatchable and an obscene player. I don't miss having to see that awful free kick routine every week.

excellently put.

Agreed.

Purely percentage player.

You put date rape drugs into enough drinks, you will eventually have sex with an unconscious woman

Mourinho definetly needs to rethink the tactics, either Higuain upfront or play CR as the striker with Ozil and Di Maria on the wings.

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Post n°192

Re: Barcelona - Real Madrid quadruple clasico

by Jaime Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:23 pm

We Want 5! wrote:

shazlx wrote:

COTR wrote:

shazlx wrote:The problem for Madrid is that they were playing with 10 men from the start. With Cronaldo in your team, you'll never be able to put out the complete team performance which is required to beat Barcelona.

Ronaldo remains unwatchable and an obscene player. I don't miss having to see that awful free kick routine every week.

excellently put.

Agreed.

Purely percentage player.

You put date rape drugs into enough drinks, you will eventually have sex with an unconscious woman

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Post n°193

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by Isco Benny Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:28 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:He had a rather crappy season to be honest, as most of the team with the exception of Wiese probably. Marin should have used the opportunity he had after Özil left, but he failed. Easier said than done in a disfunctional team though. Werder have problems everywhere really.

Marin needs to get a grip soon because his competition hasn't exactly gotten weaker. A lot of very talented players coming through who have already taken his place in the national team.

Never doubt his talent though.

Reckon if we lose modric this summer, could do worse than try and buy him off you lot.

With 'Arry putting a comforting arm around him, offering some free tax advice, could galvanise his career.

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by blutgraetsche Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:32 pm

shazlx wrote:IMO the creativity should have come from out wide (and it did to some extent). Marcelo did well. I understand that Di Maria works hard to track back so is valuable to the team but on the other wing... I don't really want to keep going on about him. Ozil showed his value when he came on.

The key to beating Barcelona is being quick and precise on the break. Winning the ball and bullying their midfielders is ok, but of no use if you don't know what to do with the ball after you won it. The wingers need someone who passess the ball to them. And I'm not talking about 50 yard Hollywood passes, but precise short passing and intelligent runs into that vulnerable space between the opposition defence and midfield.

Di Maria, Marcelo and yes, Ronaldo can be valuable players (even if it's no secret that I never liked Ronaldo's style, but let's be fair here), but they need someone to support them and pass the ball to them. Not just a creative passer, but a mobile one, too. That's why Özil is so valuable to the team, he makes his team mates play better.

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Post n°195

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by TITO Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:33 pm

Glad with the point, the 8 point gap still remains, the game with RM is behind us, and one game less left to play.
As for some comments about meaningless passing in the centre, just have a look at the first chance of the game when Messi was left alone and he should have scored.
We probably had 2-3 minutes of possession of the ball and waiting for a whole in their defence. As soon as that was created a pass came to Messi who, lately is trying too much not to shoot as he should, but instead trying some fancy shot.
Pepe should never be allowed to enter a pitch again.

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by TITO Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:35 pm

And, Special Five is a pussy fucking son of a bitch for parking a bus and trying to defend in his own ground with a combined team of 250 million euros.

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Post n°197

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by Jaime Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:35 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:

shazlx wrote:IMO the creativity should have come from out wide (and it did to some extent). Marcelo did well. I understand that Di Maria works hard to track back so is valuable to the team but on the other wing... I don't really want to keep going on about him. Ozil showed his value when he came on.

The key to beating Barcelona is being quick and precise on the break. Winning the ball and bullying their midfielders is ok, but of no use if you don't know what to do with the ball after you won it. The wingers need someone who passess the ball to them. And I'm not talking about 50 yard Hollywood passes, but precise short passing and intelligent runs into that vulnerable space between the opposition defence and midfield.

Di Maria, Marcelo and yes, Ronaldo can be valuable players (even if it's no secret that I never liked Ronaldo's style, but let's be fair here), but they need someone to support them and pass the ball to them. Not just a creative passer, but a mobile one, too. That's why Özil is so valuable to the team, he makes his team mates play better.

And this was the principal drawback to having Pepe in midfield. He did great to do it and then would carry the ball forward into the Barcelona half, look around, and think "What now???"

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by S4P Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:46 pm

Ronaldo finally scores against Barcelona, and Messi finally scores against a Mourinho XI (or rather, a Mourinho X).

Only in Spain would those penalty decisions be given Rolling Eyes

Tito,

The comments were about the possession stats. Barcelona had, as they so often do, about 75% of the possession, but if the ball is being passes between the two centre backs and defensive midfielder, for example, then it's not possession which is harmful to the opposition. Barcelona are the best team in the world at cutting teams open, but given their dominance of possession in every game they play it is perhaps not completely unreasonable to say that they don't cut teams open as much as their dominance would imply.

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Post n°199

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by King Modric Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:46 pm

Oh FFS, lay off Mou. Even with the most expensive team ever, it's silly not to admit that this Barca team is near unrivaled in their passing, ball retention, etc. It's not the perfect result but I don't think any manager is going dominate them in this situation, even with our resources.

The reality is, we're playing them 4 times in 18 days, and being naive today would've served no purpose. Learning how to absorb pressure is very important, considering we have 3 cup ties coming up and knowing how to defend them will actually give us a chance to win something. You can't ignore the wider situation when evaluating this game today.

Not only that, but were it not for Albiol's mistake, we could have won this. We countered, but we also created chances and gave up relatively few. Also, I still think the problem was less that Pepe and Khedira didn't know what to do with the ball, but rather that their teammates still don't know how to give them options. If anything, I blame Mou for not fixing this. Our spacing and runs are still poor and this hurts ball retention more than the trivote IMO.

Agreed with the others, Ronaldo is a shit player in games like this.

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by TITO Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:54 pm

You could have never won this if we didnt just stopped playing after the goal and waited for the game to end. Our mistake, we should have gone for the second goal cause im sure it would have taken only an attack or two to score again.

S4P

I know that to some people that passing around is sometimes boring and without a point. I just watch that from different perspective, we try to pass the ball, tire the opponent who chases the ball and then when nobody is expecting try a great pass from our midfield and create a chance to score. We have done it hundreds of times the past seasons, and it seems that it works cause whoever we play we do score like that.

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Post n°201

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by blutgraetsche Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:55 pm

Movement off the ball is important, but all the intelligent movement in the world didn't help Di Maria shake off 2-3 Barca defenders all the time, did it? You lacked one-twos, quick breaks, especially before Özil came on. The usual Real 'attack' was hoofing it 40-50 yards to either side of the pitch and hoping for the best. You can blame Ronaldo for his usual "superman mode" all you want, but he often didn't really have an alternative tonight.

From Real's perspective, the best thing about tonight was getting a result with a man down. Mourinho will obviously sell this as a win and use it in the mind games to come.

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Post n°202

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by Jaime Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:58 pm

King Pipita wrote:Oh FFS, lay off Mou. Even with the most expensive team ever, it's silly not to admit that this Barca team is near unrivaled in their passing, ball retention, etc. It's not the perfect result but I don't think any manager is going dominate them in this situation, even with our resources.

The reality is, we're playing them 4 times in 18 days, and being naive today would've served no purpose. Learning how to absorb pressure is very important, considering we have 3 cup ties coming up and knowing how to defend them will actually give us a chance to win something. You can't ignore the wider situation when evaluating this game today.

Not only that, but were it not for Albiol's mistake, we could have won this. We countered, but we also created chances and gave up relatively few. Also, I still think the problem was less that Pepe and Khedira didn't know what to do with the ball, but rather that their teammates still don't know how to give them options. If anything, I blame Mou for not fixing this. Our spacing and runs are still poor and this hurts ball retention more than the trivote IMO.

Agreed with the others, Ronaldo is a shit player in games like this.

But again, what can Mourinho say to Ronaldo who is insistent upon just standing in the middle of the pitch waiting for the ball to come to him?

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by TITO Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:58 pm

I dont know, maybe is just me, but i get the feeling that we can score against them whenever we want to score.

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Post n°204

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by blutgraetsche Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:01 am

TITO wrote:I dont know, maybe is just me, but i get the feeling that we can score against them whenever we want to score.

It's you, because it's not true. Iniesta & Xavi were cut off rather effectively tonight, you didn't really create that many clear cut chances, especially for Barcelona standards.

But neutralising the opposition threat is one thing, creating a threat yourself another. That's where Real were lacking for long periods of the game.

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Post n°205

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by Jaime Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:01 am

TITO wrote:I dont know, maybe is just me, but i get the feeling that we can score against them whenever we want to score.

Then why didn't you want to score?

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by TITO Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:03 am

To save Special Five from embarrassment.

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by Jaime Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:05 am

That is soooooooooooooooo nice of you!

Btw. Special Five is good. Laughing

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by TITO Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:09 am

Anyway, we are the best ever and we are Mes of something, i cant remember, and everybody loves us, even Pepe.