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    Post by Guest Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:36 pm

    Jaimito el Crack wrote:
    Messiah wrote:my boy Gio dos santos does it again for mexico, after being voted one of the best young players at the world cup, the kids got talent, just needs better handlers, who where near dinho levels, but i was never one to say that from the word go, but he is good, can do a job for a team from 3-6 in almost any league.

    It was a top class goal in the Gold Cup final. Still, CONCACAF ain't exactly the world's best competition. He does seem to play better for Mexico. He was pretty anonymous at Racing last season and before that where was he? The Championship? He really should be doing more with his talent but still I don't think he is ever going to be "the man" for a big club.

    yeah i don't think he will ever be "the man" either but he can be a good player for a sevilla like club, and i think he was more than anonymous for racing, we was good which is why, whatever the coach's name his want him at sevilla as well.

    the epl was always a good move for him, but thats what you get when you have zahavi for a agent.
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    Post by fcb Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:50 pm

    He's not tough enough or hard working enough for a big club. A bit of a luxury player, the team needs to carry him, kind of like a Cassano. That's ok if you're Ronaldinho, but Dos Santos doesn't quite have that level of talent.
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    Post by TITO Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:09 pm

    Don't you get the feeling that we are not doing well in the transfer market?
    Nothing is sorted yet and as far as i see it we are still not getting any close to our signings nor to what we don't want at the club anymore and sell.
    I mean, nobody wants to leave, even if they know they will stay in the bench the entire season.
    And some of the sums asked for several players are ridiculous, no matter how talented or not these players are. if City comes around, or Chelsea or RM and pay 40-50 mill or more then let them have the players. We shouldn't be held ransom and if the next days nothing seem to be clearer then we should turn our attention to other players who can fit our system and will cost us much less.
    In no circumstances we should sell Thiago, even if we buy Cesc. If Sanchez or Rossi don't come, then go for Matta. But we better be prepared by the half of July with all our reinforcements which will probably come and not let these soap operas continue until the end of the summer.
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    Post by Guest Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:40 pm

    the thing is mr inferiority complex sandro rosell, is so busy trying to fuck over laporta and prove how much better he is at so many thing, chief among them getting players on the cheaper, so he gets too into trying to find the deal and not just going out there and signing the player, for example sanchez could have been done a week or two ago before city entered the race, but rosell was being a pussy over 5 million, he has to understand that clubs like barca,madrid,man utd will pay a premium for certain players, not saying we should do a city, but we should put up for players like sanchez.
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    Post by fcb Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:01 am

    I don't see a problem, there's no hurry. As TITO said, we should not overpay. Every player we are pursuing, is desperate to come to Barça, so why should we just blindly pay what their club wants? Zubi and Rosell are perfectly right in playing hardball/cheapskates over the price.

    And we have many options in the market, it's not like Alexis is the only player around. I don't see the harm in waiting. As far as I can tell, the club has already struck individual deals with the players and agents for everyone we are pursuing: Kiko, Angel, Rossi, Cesc, Alexis, Mata. So it's just a question of negotiating with the selling club, who will eventually have to give in if the player pressures them enough. If not, then it's fine, let the player go to City or wherever, and we'll move to our next option.

    As for the players leaving, of course it's a concern, but nobody bar Milito is on huge wages anyway. I'm sure Jeffren etc. will be convinced to at least go on loan.
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    Post by Jaime Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:04 pm

    El jeque Al-Thani no permite que Rosell se lleve a un infantil de 11 años

    ¿Se puede pagar 150.000 euros por el fichaje de un niño de 11 años? ¿Se pueden robar jugadores en edad infantil? La ética dice que no a ambas circunstancias, pero la realidad es que sucede muy habitualmente, más de lo deseado en cualquiera de los casos. A esa edad no hay contratos profesionales, hasta los 16 años no existe vínculo alguno al no estar permitido por FIFA, y una simple firma en la ficha de cada temporada sirve de vínculo con el club que le ha formado o en el que juega en la actualidad. Y así temporada tras temporada.

    El problema aparece cuando un equipo se fija en un menor y pone dinero, en forma de especies, encima de la mesa para llevarse a la joya en cuestión. Y este caso ha sucedido entre el Málaga y el Barcelona. Es decir, entre el jeque Al Thani y el 'president' Rosell. Y es que el Barcelona captó en el pasado mes de marzo en Málaga a un niño de 11 años que destacaba muy por encima del resto. Responde al nombre de Brahim y se le comparaba, cómo no, con Messi. El jeque rompió relaciones con la entidad azulgrana pero ahora ha reaccionado y ha puesto 150.000 euros para romper el vínculo que firmó el padre del infantil y conseguir, de esta manera, que siguiera jugando en la Costa del Sol.

    ¿Qué recibía a cambio el club que formó a este y a otros muchos jugadores que decidan dejar a su equipo del alma por la atracción del grande y poderoso? Nada, ya que con un simple cambio de residencia de los padres todo estaría solucionado. En el caso de Brahim Díaz, su padre ya sabe lo que es vivir en Barcelona porque durante un par de meses pasó a ser un empleado más del Barcelona. Al Thani y sus ayudantes han logrado convencer al padre del jugador, pero lo han hecho a cambio de 40.000 euros, vivienda y el pago de toda la educación del infantil. En total, entre 150.000 y 200.000. Y no olvidemos que el jugador del que hablamos tan sólo tiene 11 años.

    La ruptura de relaciones entre las dos entidades es total. Desde que se destapó el caso Brahim, Barcelona y Málaga se han encontrado en diferentes frentes. Los traspasos de José Ángel y Kiko Femenía cruzaron los caminos de Rosell y Al Thani e incluso cuando se habló del interés azulgrana en Pastore, el jeque puso en funcionamiento la máquina de hacer dinero con tal de quitar a Guardiola el jugador argentino. Lo más curioso del caso es que el Barcelona está patrocinado por la Qatar Foundation, propiedad de la familia de Al Thani.

    Brahim llegó al Málaga con 8 años de edad y su juego ha causado admiración y temor por igual a sus rivales. Este pasado fin de semana ha jugado con el Málaga el torneo de Fútbol 7 organizado por José Ramón de la Morena, pero antes, durante la temporada, el chaval estuvo en Barcelona, conoció La Masía y al técnico y a algunos jugadores del primer equipo azulgrana. Lo cierto es que ningún equipo ni ningún presidente se puede llevar las manos a la cabeza. Todos, repito todos, los equipos proceden de muy parecida manera.

    El más grande pesca en la cantera de los de segundo nivel y así sucesivamente. Ahora en Madrid, el Rayo está alarmado por el robo de seis jugadores de su cantera por parte del Real Madrid, pero el Canillas piensa lo mismo de la entidad rayista por la 'desaparición de otros tantos jugadores. El problema no es el cambio de equipo y el no esperar hasta los 16 años, edad a la que ya se pueden hacer contratos profesionales a los jugadores, el problema es moverse, hacer la oferta de espaldas al otro club. El Málaga ha salvado la cara en esta ocasión, pero lo ha hecho con los euros del jeque, algo nada normal en el fútbol español actual.

    http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/2011/jeque-althani-permite-rosell-lleve-infantil-20110627-80642.html

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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:00 pm

    Messiah wrote:
    Jaimito el Crack wrote:
    Messiah wrote:my boy Gio dos santos does it again for mexico, after being voted one of the best young players at the world cup, the kids got talent, just needs better handlers, who where near dinho levels, but i was never one to say that from the word go, but he is good, can do a job for a team from 3-6 in almost any league.

    It was a top class goal in the Gold Cup final. Still, CONCACAF ain't exactly the world's best competition. He does seem to play better for Mexico. He was pretty anonymous at Racing last season and before that where was he? The Championship? He really should be doing more with his talent but still I don't think he is ever going to be "the man" for a big club.

    yeah i don't think he will ever be "the man" either but he can be a good player for a sevilla like club, and i think he was more than anonymous for racing, we was good which is why, whatever the coach's name his want him at sevilla as well.

    the epl was always a good move for him, but thats what you get when you have zahavi for a agent.

    I've been disappointed he never got more of a chance at Spurs. The few times he played he looked the part technically. Clearly his problems are stamina, strength and tactical awareness.

    Both he and Bentley should and probably will go to Spain as their game seems more suited for a midtable Spanish side where they can be given the license to roam and attack and hopefully re-envigorate their stuttering careers
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    Post by Jaime Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:25 am

    I am genuinely interested to know how you lot think Pepe is going to line Barza up next season as it looks like you really are going to get Fabregas. Will Cesc be on the bench and then rotate with Iniesta and Xavi? Or will Pep change the tactics dropping Pedro to accomodate Cesc? Also - Keita will surely have to go?
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:17 pm

    Why would you drop the third best player in the world to play Cesc? Is DNA that important? scratch
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    Post by Jaime Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:44 pm

    "No sé si Neymar tendría libertad con Mourinho"

    Muricy Ramalho, técnico del Santos, no tiene claro que Neymar tenga buen encaje en el Real Madrid de José Mourinho. Para el técnico brasileño, "Mou es de mucho trabajo táctico, de no dejar jugar al rival. No sé si en el Madrid tendría libertad".

    "Tengo un poco de miedo de que Neymar acabe en el Madrid y de que le pase lo mismo que a Kaká. Neymar aquí es diferente, es el mejor jugador. Allí tienen a muchos grandes jugadores diferentes juntos, y no sé si tendría libertad sobre el terreno de juego".

    Ramalho tiene claro que "Neymar es un crack, un jugador que improvisa. Nunca se sabe lo que va a hacer, es imprevisible. Decide en segundos. Y Mourinho es de mucho trabajo táctico, de no dejar jugar al rival, de ocupar los espacios... Tengo dudas de cómo sería esa relación de Neymar con el Real Madrid".

    A Ramalho, en la entrevista -concedida a Esporte Interactivo- se le comentó que en Brasil muchos creen que Neymar se adaptaría mejor al estilo de juego del Barcelona. "Tienen razón", zanjó.

    "Si hay un equipo que tiene su cara y que él tendría que elegir es el Barcelona, pero nunca antes de fin de año", apuntó Ramalho un poco en broma, al recordar que el Santos puede cruzarse con el conjunto catalán en la final del Mundial de clubes. "Imaginen a Neymar y Messi juntos", concluyó.

    http://www.marca.com/2011/06/28/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1309269230.html

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    Post by fcb Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:58 pm

    Jonathan dos Santos and 7 other Mexican players have been expelled from the squad for the Copa America, for arranging a party with prostitutes.

    That's the end of his Barça career then...was hanging by a thread anyway.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:19 pm

    fcb wrote:Jonathan dos Santos and 7 other Mexican players have been expelled from the squad for the Copa America, for arranging a party with prostitutes.

    That's the end of his Barça career then...was hanging by a thread anyway.

    lol!
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    Post by christmasborocooper Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:23 pm

    What is it with these South Americans and prostitute parties?

    Cant they just get together a load of generic sluts for a good old traditional English roast?
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    Post by Guest Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:41 am

    40 million euros for Sanchez, I like the player, but i thought rosell was suppose to be the transfer genius and the doer of all things good.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:58 pm

    thiago renews until 2015 with a 90m euros buyout clause
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    Post by Jaime Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:17 pm

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    Post by Luis Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:34 pm

    Messiah wrote:thiago renews until 2015 with a 90m euros buyout clause

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    What is the point of these buyout clauses and who decides them? Seem to be a load of nonsense.

    I really hope Thiago gets more game time but wont happen if Fabregas signs. Maybe you could look to loan him out for a season?
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    Post by Jaime Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:35 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Messiah wrote:thiago renews until 2015 with a 90m euros buyout clause

    <Ale>

    What is the point of these buyout clauses and who decides them? Seem to be a load of nonsense.

    I really hope Thiago gets more game time but wont happen if Fabregas signs. Maybe you could look to loan him out for a season?

    To prevent english clubs from coming and robbing players for nothing. Ale
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    Post by Luis Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:40 pm

    Jaimito el Crack wrote:
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    Messiah wrote:thiago renews until 2015 with a 90m euros buyout clause

    <Ale>

    What is the point of these buyout clauses and who decides them? Seem to be a load of nonsense.

    I really hope Thiago gets more game time but wont happen if Fabregas signs. Maybe you could look to loan him out for a season?

    To prevent english clubs from coming and robbing players for nothing. Ale

    So why don't all clubs put that sort of buy out clause on their players?

    Plus if a player has a few years on his contract it will be down to the selling club alone who determines the price.
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    Post by stinger Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:50 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Jaimito el Crack wrote:
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    Messiah wrote:thiago renews until 2015 with a 90m euros buyout clause

    <Ale>

    What is the point of these buyout clauses and who decides them? Seem to be a load of nonsense.

    I really hope Thiago gets more game time but wont happen if Fabregas signs. Maybe you could look to loan him out for a season?

    To prevent english clubs from coming and robbing players for nothing. Ale

    So why don't all clubs put that sort of buy out clause on their players?

    Plus if a player has a few years on his contract it will be down to the selling club alone who determines the price.
    Read about the way Inter bought Ronaldo and Real bought Figo and then you will understand why this kind of buy out clauses are used in Spain. Barca - and other teams following - are past it using reasonable clause, as it proved to be dangerous for them.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:55 pm

    Luis wrote:
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    Messiah wrote:thiago renews until 2015 with a 90m euros buyout clause

    <Ale>

    What is the point of these buyout clauses and who decides them? Seem to be a load of nonsense.

    I really hope Thiago gets more game time but wont happen if Fabregas signs. Maybe you could look to loan him out for a season?

    To prevent english clubs from coming and robbing players for nothing. Ale

    So why don't all clubs put that sort of buy out clause on their players?

    Plus if a player has a few years on his contract it will be down to the selling club alone who determines the price.

    In truth I think it is mostly protection for the presidents. Imagine the uproar of fans if you sell the clubs best player. But if the buyout clause is high enough so that it is a good deal financially for the club and the president can say "I didn't want to sell the player but so-and-so paid the buyout clause so I couldn't do anything about it" then it is like a win win for him. Sergio Ramos was a perfect example a few years back. For a club like Barcelona or Real Madrid the buyout clauses are probably more symbolic than anything these days. But for the other clubs they serve a purpose.
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    Post by fcb Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:07 pm

    Aguero for 45m from Atletico is the perfect current example of an effective buyout clause - just tantalisingly on the border between crazy money and an appropriate evaluation of him as a player.
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    Post by stinger Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:19 pm

    Same goes for Rossi and Llorente buy out clauses which are set around 35m I believe.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:15 am

    @ Luis, no i don't think barca will loan him out the club doesn't historically loan out players they rate, so if they do that will be that for him at barca in all likely wood.

    The kid has mad confidence in himself and his ability look at the talent in front of him, and with the likely wood of cesc coming and what does he say, chill i got this and extends his contract.

    unlike a certain player, but i think you will see kieta leave next season with no midfielder coming in if we sign cesc this season and thiago does the business
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:33 am

    Martin Montoya is to be play at the world U-20 championship in july with spain, the boy will be tired as hell once the season starts then again he is young.

    other players called are, Bartra,Muniesa,Roberto,tello and Romeu
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:52 am

    etock signs for chelsea, the kid is good, but injures slowed down his progress and dongue moved up while he was away
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    Post by Hlebagone Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:34 am

    Messiah wrote:@ Luis, no i don't think barca will loan him out the club doesn't historically loan out players they rate, so if they do that will be that for him at barca in all likely wood.

    The kid has mad confidence in himself and his ability look at the talent in front of him, and with the likely wood of cesc coming and what does he say, chill i got this and extends his contract.

    unlike a certain player, but i think you will see kieta leave next season with no midfielder coming in if we sign cesc this season and thiago does the business

    Need to watch out. Every team needs water carriers. Should do all you can to keep hold of Keita.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:13 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:
    Messiah wrote:@ Luis, no i don't think barca will loan him out the club doesn't historically loan out players they rate, so if they do that will be that for him at barca in all likely wood.

    The kid has mad confidence in himself and his ability look at the talent in front of him, and with the likely wood of cesc coming and what does he say, chill i got this and extends his contract.

    unlike a certain player, but i think you will see kieta leave next season with no midfielder coming in if we sign cesc this season and thiago does the business

    Need to watch out. Every team needs water carriers. Should do all you can to keep hold of Keita.

    agreed, but with a midfield of

    Busquets,masch,xavi,iniesta,thiago,cesc?,kieta, their is one man that is the odd man out and busquets can do the keita job if needs be with masch at DM, he will for sure be gone especially if pep leaves at the end of the season.

    Roberto is beating down the door to enter the team as well and his game is similar to kieta's
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:19 pm

    roberto, romeu, espinosa,Gustavo,Maso will all be looking to get first team football in a few years, a couple of very talented midfielders will be leaving the club over the next few seasons, the first to go will b romeu me thinks.

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