Premier League Fixtures and FA Cup Semi Finals

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Disco Benny wrote:Well that was nice trip to Wembley

Stuck in the Chelsea end, first entrée was some booing by some Chelsea fans a few feet away during the minutes silence, main course was a goal given that never was and which they then refused to replay on the big screens out of respect to the ref, and a nice 5 goal capitulation for dessert to round it all off.

Its great bring a Spurs fan. Thank you FA, referee, Harry and players for the biggest collective bottle job since they invented coca Cola. Someone wake me up when the season is over, I'm off to hibernate until fairer climes.....

great post

you poor thing, I forgot you were in the Chelsea end.

christmasborocooper wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

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The Easter Bunny wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

What a convincing argument,I have seen a few good goals and pieces of skill in the MLS before,does that mean it's an excellent league tactically and technically?

I'll give you a clue to help you,the answer is the opposite of yes.

Anyone who watches both La Liga and The DPl can see La Liga is streets ahead techically and tactically,DPL's best team got raped by 8th in La Liga....not once but twice

I am looking foward to two European finals this year,hopefully they will be contested by just Spanish teams to shut the DPL fanboys up once and for all.

So, you base your entire judgement on a couple of games of football swings & roundabouts my ol mukka. USA beat Spain 2 nill in 2009, does that mean they had better players/unity?

Shaun Derry AKA The Silver Fox

You're the one who judged the DPL's quality on a few of the best goals in the last 10 years.

Is that the best argument you could come up with to defend the mighty DPL?

I'm not going to waste my energy arguing with a troll like you, I have never read as much drivel in my life until you had started posting here. You simply stated the English league is full of shit, so I simply showed a few very good moments which show technical excellence. I'm sure someone as dense as you won't even bother reading my post, but head straight into your weird agenda.

Shaun Derry AKA The Silver Fox

PGD

Glenn's penis wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Well that was nice trip to Wembley

Stuck in the Chelsea end, first entrée was some booing by some Chelsea fans a few feet away during the minutes silence, main course was a goal given that never was and which they then refused to replay on the big screens out of respect to the ref, and a nice 5 goal capitulation for dessert to round it all off.

Its great bring a Spurs fan. Thank you FA, referee, Harry and players for the biggest collective bottle job since they invented coca Cola. Someone wake me up when the season is over, I'm off to hibernate until fairer climes.....

great post

you poor thing, I forgot you were in the Chelsea end.

Cheers

are you going to get down for the final?

Now I'm not a sentimental kind of chap, but what some of the Chelsea fans did through that minutes silence was utterly unforgivable. Luckily their were plenty around me who were appalled, but aside from getting whipped by them, I think its now safe for me to say that I do hope Liverpool Fuck them over in the final.

At one point Lampard came right over to celebrate one of their numerous later goals and he was so close to me I could almost touch him, so if you see a rather angry face in a sea of happy ones mouthing "fuck off fatty" in any of the replays, that was me

The Easter Bunny wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

What a convincing argument,I have seen a few good goals and pieces of skill in the MLS before,does that mean it's an excellent league tactically and technically?

I'll give you a clue to help you,the answer is the opposite of yes.

Anyone who watches both La Liga and The DPl can see La Liga is streets ahead techically and tactically,DPL's best team got raped by 8th in La Liga....not once but twice

I am looking foward to two European finals this year,hopefully they will be contested by just Spanish teams to shut the DPL fanboys up once and for all.

So, you base your entire judgement on a couple of games of football swings & roundabouts my ol mukka. USA beat Spain 2 nill in 2009, does that mean they had better players/unity?

Shaun Derry AKA The Silver Fox

You're the one who judged the DPL's quality on a few of the best goals in the last 10 years.

Is that the best argument you could come up with to defend the mighty DPL?

I'm not going to waste my energy arguing with a troll like you, I have never read as much drivel in my life until you had started posting here. You simply stated the English league is full of shit, so I simply showed a few very good moments which show technical excellence. I'm sure someone as dense as you won't even bother reading my post, but head straight into your weird agenda.

Shaun Derry AKA The Silver Fox



PGD

When did I state that there is never any moments of technical excellence? I stated that the average player/team/game is worse than the average La Liga and Serie A player/team/game.

Your videos don't refute my statement at all,your clutching at straws there mate.

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Glenn's penis wrote:I don't have an opinion. I know that Cahill-Terry is a good partnership.

Good but not great like Samuel - Lucio or Nesta - T Silva,a backline of Ivanovic - Cahill -Terry - Cole is very slow.They don't have a prime Essien anymore either,a physical beast who bullied our team.Luiz has been excellent lately and they will miss his mobility and agressivness to come out of defense and stay tight to Messi.

I would have liked prime Essien in '09 too. That Essien scored an incredible goal, but his air kick presented Messi with the ball to set up Iniesta.

Luiz is a liability. He got injured today because he let Adebayor get the wrong side of him. If he gets beaten for movement by Adebayor, what chance does he have against Messi?

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Fug-Q wrote:

Glenn's penis wrote:I don't have an opinion. I know that Cahill-Terry is a good partnership.

Good but not great like Samuel - Lucio or Nesta - T Silva,a backline of Ivanovic - Cahill -Terry - Cole is very slow.They don't have a prime Essien anymore either,a physical beast who bullied our team.Luiz has been excellent lately and they will miss his mobility and agressivness to come out of defense and stay tight to Messi.

I would have liked prime Essien in '09 too. That Essien scored an incredible goal, but his air kick presented Messi with the ball to set up Iniesta.

Luiz is a liability. He got injured today because he let Adebayor get the wrong side of him. If he gets beaten for movement by Adebayor, what chance does he have against Messi?

Facts from those who watch.

christmasborocooper wrote:

S4P wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

Glenn's penis wrote:I don't have an opinion. I know that Cahill-Terry is a good partnership.

Good but not great like Samuel - Lucio or Nesta - T Silva,a backline of Ivanovic - Cahill -Terry - Cole is very slow.They don't have a prime Essien anymore either,a physical beast who bullied our team.Luiz has been excellent lately and they will miss his mobility and agressivness to come out of defense and stay tight to Messi.

I would have liked prime Essien in '09 too. That Essien scored an incredible goal, but his air kick presented Messi with the ball to set up Iniesta.

Luiz is a liability. He got injured today because he let Adebayor get the wrong side of him. If he gets beaten for movement by Adebayor, what chance does he have against Messi?

Facts from those who watch.

Anyone who has watched him the last 2 months would know he's been brilliant,even if there's a slight chance he would have made a mistake against us it's worth the risk playing him because you need something special to beat us and Luiz is capable of producing that kind of performance,Cahill is not.

Luiz has played better recently because Di Matteo has kind of went back to old ways and played a deeper defense and Luiz has thrived on it,I'm sure Di Matteo will play with a deep defense against us.His mistake today was when Chelsea were playing with a high line.

Anyone with a brain knows David Luiz is better than Cahill and more suitable to partner Terry.You're just an xenophobic wanker who judges players by what you hear in the media,you still haven't explained to me why Cahill is better than Luiz and why he is a better partner for Terry than Luiz.

Also I just found out Luiz has played against Messi before in a Brazil vs Argentina game and he was supposed to have done well.

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christmasborocooper wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

Chelsea don't need all this. They just need - and that's probably what RDM will go for - a park the bus, good old fashioned backs to the wall, all hands on deck, man the bunkers and trenches, etc. etc. kind of defensive performance. And Cahill is more likely to provide that than Luiz.

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

S4P wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

Glenn's penis wrote:I don't have an opinion. I know that Cahill-Terry is a good partnership.

Good but not great like Samuel - Lucio or Nesta - T Silva,a backline of Ivanovic - Cahill -Terry - Cole is very slow.They don't have a prime Essien anymore either,a physical beast who bullied our team.Luiz has been excellent lately and they will miss his mobility and agressivness to come out of defense and stay tight to Messi.

I would have liked prime Essien in '09 too. That Essien scored an incredible goal, but his air kick presented Messi with the ball to set up Iniesta.

Luiz is a liability. He got injured today because he let Adebayor get the wrong side of him. If he gets beaten for movement by Adebayor, what chance does he have against Messi?

Facts from those who watch.

Anyone who has watched him the last 2 months would know he's been brilliant,even if there's a slight chance he would have made a mistake against us it's worth the risk playing him because you need something special to beat us and Luiz is capable of producing that kind of performance,Cahill is not.

Luiz has played better recently because Di Matteo has kind of went back to old ways and played a deeper defense and Luiz has thrived on it,I'm sure Di Matteo will play with a deep defense against us.His mistake today was when Chelsea were playing with a high line.

Anyone with a brain knows David Luiz is better than Cahill and more suitable to partner Terry.You're just an xenophobic wanker who judges players by what you hear in the media,you still haven't explained to me why Cahill is better than Luiz and why he is a better partner for Terry than Luiz.

Also I just found out Luiz has played against Messi before in a Brazil vs Argentina game and he was supposed to have done well.

xenophobic

Says Mr "DPL". Mr "English players are shit".

Foreign players are great, I just think Luiz is a liability and hasnt suddenly just stopped being one.

Im sure he was very good in the Portuguese league.

The Drog yesterday

When he's in that sort of mood, he can pretty much destroy anyone

His goal reminded me of one he scored against Liverpool at Stamford Bridge a couple seasons back

To be fair, Drogba was absolutely awful up until he scored that goal. The Chelsea fans around me were venting their fury at him as he wasn't moving at all, they wanted him subbed off for Torres.

Typical Drogba though, he is probably the best striker in the World with his back to goal and turning defenders one on one. I knew as soon as he was isolated one on one with Gallas and plucked that Lampard up and under that we were in trouble.

Finally seen a replay of the game.

Aside from the Mata goal, there is also the little issue of Terry fouling in the build up which was missed. Similarly, Cech fouling Adebayor in the build up to our goal. Presumably Cech couldn't have been booked as it resulted in a goal, but therefore it throws up the question that if Bale had not touched the ball and instead remonstrated with the ref, he would have almost certainly had to give a penalty and send Cech off. Trying to attack 10 men when 2-1 down could have been a rather different preposition.

Whilst the way we capitulated (it was 2-1 well into the 70th minute) was typically pathetic, I'm beginning to get rather tired of how many absolute FUCK UPS there are by refs in big games, particularly ones we're involved in.

I remember this time last year losing to Chelsea 2-1 at Stamford Bridge when the ref that day awarded them a goal which wasn't over the line too and then an offside winner, which virtually put paid to finishing in the top 4:



Nobody enjoys moaning likes a victim in these circumstances, and certainly not when the players begin to adopt such a mentality, but truth be told I'm still waiting for these big game decisions to even themselves out as Slur Alex assures us that they will.

Even when they bring in goal line technology their is still way to many other game changing decisions the ref screws up that video evidence could clear up that crazy how long they take to fix things like this.

Disco Benny wrote:I think it probably helps to watch more than "just the big games and the Liverpool games" to make a well informed assessment of Everton.

At home they've been very strong this season (beaten City, Chelsea, Spurs, should have drawn with Arsenal at the very least with that abonimable offside decision), will be interesting how they get on at a neutral venue.

Frustratingly, cannot find a video of that goal against Arsenal as it was proof they are far more than just shit on stick

I've said it before, but you won't get away with repeating this lazy assertion on a match you didn't watch – it was a deserved win.

Back on topic...

You can't judge it without watching Bernd.

Bar the disallowed goal, Everton created nothing. We would've been out of sight after 20 minutes had we taken our chances

Yeah well we didn't deserve to lose 5-1 yesterday but we did.

Everton scored a perfectly legitimate goal. Arsenal scored a perfectly legitimate goal. All that happened in between can be argued this way or that, but had the linesman not had an epic brainfart, the result would have been 1-1. Simple

Yeah to be fair, if the result ends up 1-0 and there is a wrongly disallowed goal, the conclusion that it's a deserved win doesnt seem quite right. Had the result been 6-0 then fair enough.

England should have taken that World Cup second-round tie with Germany to penalties at least

We have got away unpunished with a few other "abonimable" performances anyway. Unfortunately I couldn't watch that day but the Anfield league game was a case of grand larceny by all accounts and might be a better example...

Allez les rouges wrote:We have got away unpunished with a few other "abonimable" performances anyway. Unfortunately I couldn't watch that day but the Anfield league game was a case of grand larceny by all accounts and might be a better example...

I'm sure I mentioned somewhere only the other day (arsenal thread?) that I fully agreed that Arsenal have had some utterly terrible decisions go against them, more so that any of their closest rivals (Man U, City, Chelsea).

This wasn't about Arsenal though, it was about Everton and their generally strong home form. And that goal that was struck off was doubly worse because it was a thing of genuine beauty and Royston Fey Drenthe was about 10 yards onside, it's not like it was even remotely contentious.

What Boro said is bang on too - the England game or the Spurs game indeed hinged on contentious decisions, but ultimately both collapsed and led to the clear counter argument that it didn't matter anyway given both lost heavily in the end.

The Everton game though is different innit given Arsenal did only end up winning by 1

Congrats on completely diverting the discussion by the way. I mean it

fcb wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

Chelsea don't need all this. They just need - and that's probably what RDM will go for - a park the bus, good old fashioned backs to the wall, all hands on deck, man the bunkers and trenches, etc. etc. kind of defensive performance. And Cahill is more likely to provide that than Luiz.

No he's not,David Luiz is at his best when playing in a deep backline and he is a much better player than Cahill.

if Chelsea's 5th goal had been the contentious one I would say, well fuck it they would have won anyway. The fact that it was the 2nd goal - ie the winning goal makes it a scandalous travesty of justice and Tottenham fans have every right to go on a prolonged killing spree until the FA put things right.

Disco Benny wrote:To be fair, Drogba was absolutely awful up until he scored that goal. The Chelsea fans around me were venting their fury at him as he wasn't moving at all, they wanted him subbed off for Torres.

Typical Drogba though, he is probably the best striker in the World with his back to goal and turning defenders one on one. I knew as soon as he was isolated one on one with Gallas and plucked that Lampard up and under that we were in trouble.

Finally seen a replay of the game.

Aside from the Mata goal, there is also the little issue of Terry fouling in the build up which was missed. Similarly, Cech fouling Adebayor in the build up to our goal. Presumably Cech couldn't have been booked as it resulted in a goal, but therefore it throws up the question that if Bale had not touched the ball and instead remonstrated with the ref, he would have almost certainly had to give a penalty and send Cech off. Trying to attack 10 men when 2-1 down could have been a rather different preposition.

Whilst the way we capitulated (it was 2-1 well into the 70th minute) was typically pathetic, I'm beginning to get rather tired of how many absolute FUCK UPS there are by refs in big games, particularly ones we're involved in.

I remember this time last year losing to Chelsea 2-1 at Stamford Bridge when the ref that day awarded them a goal which wasn't over the line too and then an offside winner, which virtually put paid to finishing in the top 4:



Nobody enjoys moaning likes a victim in these circumstances, and certainly not when the players begin to adopt such a mentality, but truth be told I'm still waiting for these big game decisions to even themselves out as Slur Alex assures us that they will.

Ibrahimovic is the best at this but Drogba is one of the best fo sho.

Fug-Q wrote:

fcb wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

Chelsea don't need all this. They just need - and that's probably what RDM will go for - a park the bus, good old fashioned backs to the wall, all hands on deck, man the bunkers and trenches, etc. etc. kind of defensive performance. And Cahill is more likely to provide that than Luiz.

No he's not,David Luiz is at his best when playing in a deep backline and he is a much better player than Cahill.

Under RDM Chelsea defend in two banks of 4 which offers more protection to the CB's, this is why Terry and Luiz have looked more solid under RDM. Under AVB it is well documented that he tried to implement a high line with pressing, this puts more pressure on the back 4 to be tactically aware and contributed to the poor performances of Terry and Luiz under AVD. JT and Luiz are similar players, both like to bring the ball out of defence, and have a good technical ability (who remembers Terry's pass to Cole last season/season before),when RC and JT were together, RC provided the tactical awareness and covered Terry while he moved up the pitch to attack the ball. Both Luiz and Terry prefer to attack and both need a defender like Cahill who is very tactically aware to prosper in a high pressing game, which explains why AVB brought.

I've never seen better when it comes to receiving the ball back to goal:







In these times when the term "legend" is bandied around like a cheap Thai slut in an American army barracks,

Didier is a true footballing Wojciech Szeszny

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Fug-Q wrote:

fcb wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:

Fug-Q wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

Chelsea don't need all this. They just need - and that's probably what RDM will go for - a park the bus, good old fashioned backs to the wall, all hands on deck, man the bunkers and trenches, etc. etc. kind of defensive performance. And Cahill is more likely to provide that than Luiz.

No he's not,David Luiz is at his best when playing in a deep backline and he is a much better player than Cahill.

Under RDM Chelsea defend in two banks of 4 which offers more protection to the CB's, this is why Terry and Luiz have looked more solid under RDM. Under AVB it is well documented that he tried to implement a high line with pressing, this puts more pressure on the back 4 to be tactically aware and contributed to the poor performances of Terry and Luiz under AVD. JT and Luiz are similar players, both like to bring the ball out of defence, and have a good technical ability (who remembers Terry's pass to Cole last season/season before),when RC and JT were together, RC provided the tactical awareness and covered Terry while he moved up the pitch to attack the ball. Both Luiz and Terry prefer to attack and both need a defender like Cahill who is very tactically aware to prosper in a high pressing game, which explains why AVB brought.

Chelsea aren't going to play a high pressing game against us are they though? I'm sure Terry will not be attacking in this game,you make Terry sound like Lucio in his prime ffs he is not that attacking.

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fcb wrote:

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christmasborocooper wrote:

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christmasborocooper wrote:

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christmasborocooper wrote:

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christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

Chelsea don't need all this. They just need - and that's probably what RDM will go for - a park the bus, good old fashioned backs to the wall, all hands on deck, man the bunkers and trenches, etc. etc. kind of defensive performance. And Cahill is more likely to provide that than Luiz.

No he's not,David Luiz is at his best when playing in a deep backline and he is a much better player than Cahill.

Under RDM Chelsea defend in two banks of 4 which offers more protection to the CB's, this is why Terry and Luiz have looked more solid under RDM. Under AVB it is well documented that he tried to implement a high line with pressing, this puts more pressure on the back 4 to be tactically aware and contributed to the poor performances of Terry and Luiz under AVD. JT and Luiz are similar players, both like to bring the ball out of defence, and have a good technical ability (who remembers Terry's pass to Cole last season/season before),when RC and JT were together, RC provided the tactical awareness and covered Terry while he moved up the pitch to attack the ball. Both Luiz and Terry prefer to attack and both need a defender like Cahill who is very tactically aware to prosper in a high pressing game, which explains why AVB brought.

Chelsea aren't going to play a high pressing game against us are they though? I'm sure Terry will not be attacking in this game,you make Terry sound like Lucio in his prime ffs he is not that attacking.

Again, you missed the whole point of the post. Read the bit in bold, this is why Luiz has prospered under RDM, and why him and Terry is an unsuitable partnership in my opinion. I didn't make it "sound like Lucio in his prime", I merely stated a point that he has surprisingly good technical ability (tried finding the link to his ball to Cole, but I can't remember the game. I'm sure most people will remember it though) and he likes to attack the ball.

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christmasborocooper wrote:Can't imagine he'd do much worse than Luiz.

Luiz has been very good recently.

im sure he would have dominated Messi

I think he would have stood a better chance than Cahill

Then you are a dimwit.

I don't appreciate his WUMing but Luiz has been tidy recently and would do a better job than Cahill for this game IMO.

So fuck though? Luiz has been dicked around by average Premiership players, never mind fucking Messi, Iniesta etc. Does not matter which one of them it was, they'll be having a fucking hard time of it.

I also dont really care that he's had about 2 months of decent form, the other 6 months of abysmal form still sways it for me.

Luiz wasn't actually as bad as people made him out to be under AVB,he often played brilliantly but he made one stupid mistake in most games,the last 2 months he has cut those mistakes out his game and with that you have an excellent defender

You say the other 6 months have been abysmal so why do you choose to ignore his time at Benfica were he was brilliant and showed enough potential for Chelsea to pay so much money for him.

It's not even a case of Luiz being a better player than Cahill,it's that he is much more suited to partner Terry to face such fast,mobile players like Messi and co.

Do you really think Cahill has what it takes to play like say...Koschelny did against Messi last year were he followed Messi out of defense and into midfield and done a damn good job on him.Luiz has the ablity and attributes to do that,Cahill is far to slow can cumbersome.Luiz can relive pressure for his team when we press Chelseas defense with the ball by dribbling past our players and making a good pass,Cahill can't etc.

Chelsea don't need all this. They just need - and that's probably what RDM will go for - a park the bus, good old fashioned backs to the wall, all hands on deck, man the bunkers and trenches, etc. etc. kind of defensive performance. And Cahill is more likely to provide that than Luiz.

No he's not,David Luiz is at his best when playing in a deep backline and he is a much better player than Cahill.

Under RDM Chelsea defend in two banks of 4 which offers more protection to the CB's, this is why Terry and Luiz have looked more solid under RDM. Under AVB it is well documented that he tried to implement a high line with pressing, this puts more pressure on the back 4 to be tactically aware and contributed to the poor performances of Terry and Luiz under AVD. JT and Luiz are similar players, both like to bring the ball out of defence, and have a good technical ability (who remembers Terry's pass to Cole last season/season before),when RC and JT were together, RC provided the tactical awareness and covered Terry while he moved up the pitch to attack the ball. Both Luiz and Terry prefer to attack and both need a defender like Cahill who is very tactically aware to prosper in a high pressing game, which explains why AVB brought.

Chelsea aren't going to play a high pressing game against us are they though? I'm sure Terry will not be attacking in this game,you make Terry sound like Lucio in his prime ffs he is not that attacking.

Again, you missed the whole point of the post. Read the bit in bold, this is why Luiz has prospered under RDM, and why him and Terry is an unsuitable partnership in my opinion. I didn't make it "sound like Lucio in his prime", I merely stated a point that he has surprisingly good technical ability (tried finding the link to his ball to Cole, but I can't remember the game. I'm sure most people will remember it though) and he likes to attack the ball.

Explain to me why Terry and Luiz can't perform together in a deep defense because against us(Valencia) and us (Napoli) they were excellent.You seem to think because they are both comfortable on the ball bringing it out of defense they can't play with each other,that's bollocks.When one comes out of the defense with the ball the other one obviously doesn't go forward as well.Their performances together lately go against what you say.

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