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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:52 am

    Jose Ramon de la Morena now saying that it was Ancelotti who decided to sell Ozil, that it was originally going to be Di Maria but the argentine midfielder's attitude won himself a place in the team.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:09 am

    Top 10 sales in the history of Real Madrid.

    1. Mesut Özil (Arsenal, 2013): 45 M€
    2. Robinho (Manchester City, 2008): 42 M€
    3. Gonzalo Higuaín (Nápoles, 2013): 37 M€
    4. Nicolas Anelka (PSG, 2000): 34,5 M€
    5. Arjen Robben (Bayern Múnich, 2009): 25 M€
    6. Michael Owen (Newcastle, 2005): 25 M€
    7. Claude Makelele (Chelsea, 2003): 24 M€
    8. Clarence Seedorf (Inter Milán, 2000): 23,4 M€
    9. Samuel (Inter Milán, 2005): 18 M€
    10. Fernando Redondo (AC Milán, 2000): 14 M€

    Thought we sold Wesley Sneijder for more than 14m euro but maybe I have that wrong. scratch
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:21 am

    ---------------------------D. López/Casillas/Jesús F.

    Carvajal/Arbeloa-----Pepe/Varane-----S. Ramos/Nacho-----Marcelo/Coentrão

    ----------------Alonso/Casemiro--------Modrić/Illarra/Khedira

    Bale/Di María------------------Isco/Modrić---------------------Ronaldo/Jesé

    ---------------------------Benzema/Morata/Jesé
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    Post by Cristiano Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:39 am

    Jaime wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:Arsenal would have never gotten Özil in first place if the Bale transfer didn't happen.

    There is a lot of revisionism and to be frank,  plain bullshit flying around regarding the Özil transfer. First of all,  if Özil really shied away from the competition fearing the bench, or if he needed a guaranteed starting spot, he would not have moved to Madrid in first place. When he first came to Madrid,  many (including many German fans and commentators) believed him to be second choice to Kaka,  but he established himself and became a starter,  keeping Kaka and others firmly on the bench.  When Modric joined,  the same was said,  the result being the same.

    So please,  it's just bullshit to claim that Özil feared competition. Just a few days ago,  when the Bale deal was already done,  he clearly said that he intends to stay in Madrid. So what did he 'fear' then?

    The reason he left was that he didn't feel appreciated by the management. He wanted a new contract and higher wages,  Madrid (and Ancelotti in particular btw.) had other plans. There really is nothing more to it.
    1) I don't know who in Germany believed that Ozil would be second choice to Kaka when he first arrived but that was clearly not true. He came to replace Kaka who already in year one had proven himself to be a crock and shit. Jose wanted to dump Kaka the first year but the club could not find anyone willing to pay a transfer and/or his wages. There were two deals lined up - Ozil and Silva and Jose chose Ozil. But he was never going to be behind Kaka in the pecking order. And Modric never had anything to do with Ozil either. Modric came to play in a much deeper role than Ozil. Ok sometimes Jose would sub Modric x Ozil late in games but generally speaking the two played completely different positions and that was always the intention.

    2) My opinion is that Bale has nothing to do with Ozil going to Arsenal. Isco is the problem. Since day one of preseason Ancelotti has preferred Isco in the central attacking midfield position. And Ozil has been extremely vocal about his displeasure in playing on the wing and always being substituted.

    3) If the boy needs a new contract to feel 'appreciated' he mistook Real Madrid for Barcelona who hands out new contracts every year. Francois Gallardo said that he was demanding the club double his wages. Ronaldo hasn't even been given a new deal ffs.
    And so began Jaime's dislike for Ozil Wink  Laughing 
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    Post by EMP Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:41 am

    Cristiano wrote:ISCO!!!cheerscheerscheers

    I'm officially a Happy Bunny Very Happy
    His signing is Curse-worthy. Look what happened to Malaga. Send him back home to Valencia immediately and we'll say no more about it. Wink 

    It has also been brought to me attention that Spurs should be cursed for having nicked Soldado. The Custodians point out that Spurs' have already paid their dues in part at least. Why do you think they keep missing out on the Champion's League. A pre-emptive strike!

    Obviously they didn't get it, so after we have taken care of business, which includes Llorente we shall take care of business. There are several years of Curses to be inflicted.
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    Post by EMP Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:46 am

    Jaime wrote:
    EMP wrote:You realise that Isco being a swiped Valencia player means that you will have to soothe the annoyance of the Custodians of the Curse of Valencia - Just saying - Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 
    Laughing

    Not sure the curse can apply to player that Valencia themselves swiped back in the day and then held in such little regard that they gave him away to Malaga for pennies.

    Of course we can. Look what we did to Malaga. He would have had his chance in time. Surely, you understand the point of the Curse is to allow us to do whatever we need to do. Sheesh! Wink 
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:51 am

    This was one of the few areas where I liked Isco over Ozil. Isco had more bite in him but I never thought Ozil would so quickly give up the fight. Benzema was obvious to everyone and I do remember a scene or two with Mourinho where he looked weak. Perhaps it was simply that Ozil never had true competition for his spot while Benzema had the mentally superior Higuain who we should have kept.

    We should always weed out the weaklings and the non-workers
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    Post by Kroos Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:10 am

    LOL ISCO he made more goals than assists in the last seaon


    now you have ronaldo, bale and isco, all want to score lol! 

    serious sack your president
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    Post by Kroos Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:15 am

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2013/09/04/4236710/ozil-was-madrids-best-player-after-ronaldo-says-fabregas?ICID=HP_BN_1

    Ozil was Madrid's best player after Ronaldo, says Fabregas



    enough said, you don`t sell your top 2 player in the squad, no club would, expect real madrid
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    Post by EMP Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:32 am

    Romford Pele wrote:We will launch our own curse if you don't give us Pipita. You're welcome Ale
    Oi! We have the monopoly on Curses. Unauthorised curses will be punishable by further curses. You have been warned!
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    Post by EMP Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:02 am

    Jaime wrote:
    messiah wrote:laporta also trippled our revenues without making so many big star signings at a crazy cost only ibra and that's without a crazy land deal, we love to give perez a bit more credit than he deserves as a business man, anyone who signed those players would have seen a r.o.i in terms of revenues as they are/were some of the biggest stars in the game, at the end off the day we have to look at them in both regards and find a balance i guess.

    oh laporta trippled our revenues without a shirt deal as well. also won more too, just saying Laughing


    lastly as much as i like fat ronaldo he would be a failure in my eyes if he played for us. one league title seriously for one of the greatest strikers ever. especially considering the talent around.

    the cl final goal, as is the case with zidane's career he was saved by a moment.

    but for one of the best players ever, would have expected more.

    look at what valencia did in round about the same time period, 2 ligas,2 cl final, 1 eufa cup.
    To be fair, they lost both CL finals. And who cares about the UEFA Cup?
    And you're still paying for one of them. Evil or Very Mad 
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    Post by abundance Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:31 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Thought we sold Wesley Sneijder for more than 14m euro but maybe I have that wrong. scratch
    For what I remember it was around 15m, not that different
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    Post by COTR Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:06 pm

    Kroos wrote:LOL ISCO he made more goals than assists in the last seaon


    now you have ronaldo, bale and isco, all want to score lol! 

    serious sack your president
    What if they all do score ?

    That would be quite nice for Madrid fans surely
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:42 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Kroos wrote:LOL ISCO he made more goals than assists in the last seaon


    now you have ronaldo, bale and isco, all want to score lol! 

    serious sack your president
    What if they all do score ?

    That would be quite nice for Madrid fans surely
    Next year we will go only for players who don't want to score! It will be amazing! cheers
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:43 pm

    Cristiano wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:Arsenal would have never gotten Özil in first place if the Bale transfer didn't happen.

    There is a lot of revisionism and to be frank,  plain bullshit flying around regarding the Özil transfer. First of all,  if Özil really shied away from the competition fearing the bench, or if he needed a guaranteed starting spot, he would not have moved to Madrid in first place. When he first came to Madrid,  many (including many German fans and commentators) believed him to be second choice to Kaka,  but he established himself and became a starter,  keeping Kaka and others firmly on the bench.  When Modric joined,  the same was said,  the result being the same.

    So please,  it's just bullshit to claim that Özil feared competition. Just a few days ago,  when the Bale deal was already done,  he clearly said that he intends to stay in Madrid. So what did he 'fear' then?

    The reason he left was that he didn't feel appreciated by the management. He wanted a new contract and higher wages,  Madrid (and Ancelotti in particular btw.) had other plans. There really is nothing more to it.
    1) I don't know who in Germany believed that Ozil would be second choice to Kaka when he first arrived but that was clearly not true. He came to replace Kaka who already in year one had proven himself to be a crock and shit. Jose wanted to dump Kaka the first year but the club could not find anyone willing to pay a transfer and/or his wages. There were two deals lined up - Ozil and Silva and Jose chose Ozil. But he was never going to be behind Kaka in the pecking order. And Modric never had anything to do with Ozil either. Modric came to play in a much deeper role than Ozil. Ok sometimes Jose would sub Modric x Ozil late in games but generally speaking the two played completely different positions and that was always the intention.

    2) My opinion is that Bale has nothing to do with Ozil going to Arsenal. Isco is the problem. Since day one of preseason Ancelotti has preferred Isco in the central attacking midfield position. And Ozil has been extremely vocal about his displeasure in playing on the wing and always being substituted.

    3) If the boy needs a new contract to feel 'appreciated' he mistook Real Madrid for Barcelona who hands out new contracts every year. Francois Gallardo said that he was demanding the club double his wages. Ronaldo hasn't even been given a new deal ffs.
    And so began Jaime's dislike for Ozil Wink  Laughing 
    You mean my dislike for Jose! Biggrin
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    Post by Cristiano Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:40 pm

    Kroos wrote:LOL ISCO he made more goals than assists in the last seaon


    now you have ronaldo, bale and isco, all want to score lol! 

    serious sack your president
    Someone's been busy researching Wink   

    To be fair at least you don't use PES stats Laughing
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    Post by Kroos Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:21 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Kroos wrote:LOL ISCO he made more goals than assists in the last seaon


    now you have ronaldo, bale and isco, all want to score lol! 

    serious sack your president
    What if they all do score ?

    That would be quite nice for Madrid fans surely
    it may work in the league, in may work in the cl group stage, but at some point of the season it won`t work, because to win against team who are equally good small details will decide who will win, and i don`t think that 2 headless chickens are the right way to do it + isco the limited one

    look at dortmund and bayern (4 different players upfront, all very unselfish [even robben^^] and hardworking, this is the future,

    me wonders who will take the free kicks for madrid, ronaldo won`t be amused lol!
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:57 pm

    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:Robben won the treble and multiple domestic titles with Bayern. That's some first class revisionism there,  as if he could have done better in Madrid where they are still waiting for the Decima to happen.

    Özil's leave is primarily political.  Not long ago,  the likes of Valdano were talking about him shaping an era at Madrid. Perez wanted his Galactico singing and he got it,  Real have €600m of debts despite their huge turnover,  so some money had to be made to finance the huge Bale deal. Spurs basically strengthened their beloved north London neighbours with this transfer. Ale
    Firstly, I agree with the previous point you made about Bale being a galactico signing, it's different circumstances under which Ozil was signed for sure. Clearly not his fault though Madrid were willing to part with that amount of money for him - should Bale 'succeed' (although by what definition success will be is unclear), he will have had to withstand the enormous pressure of that price tag as well as Madrid fans angry about losing Ozil (who I am fully aware left for political/personal reasons).

    Something you've not really touched upon though is exactly that subject of pressure - by all account Ozil didn't like having to compete for a starting place. I've not seen anything from him to suggest he's got an unbreakable winning mentality. Bale might've only played for little Old Spurs, but Madrid clearly saw the way he would stand up and be counted in crucial games / moments in games to think he has it, and perhaps they feel Ozil doesn't.

    Bale may well crumble under the weight of expectation, but I applaud him for having the balls to take on this responsibility. Ozil going to Arsenal - he's a big fish is a smaller pond, you have to wonder if this guy has the cojones to become the great his talent appears to suggest he can becomes. We'll see.

    Hooray!! Heads we win tales you lose!! Arsenal need to sign a top player but the only player who would go to them will be a weakling and a pussy because they can't take the heat at a real top club. So they won't be a top player anyway!!

    cheers Rolling Eyes

    You know, this is one of the biggest problems in modern fußball. Too much power concentrated in the hands of far too few clubs. Player going to clubs to win trophies rather than winning trophies for clubs themselves. Look at the 90s and the clubs that were contending for the UEFA and Cup Winners' Cups, with their exciting international stars even though they were only relatively mid-level teams.

    For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_UEFA_Cup_Winners'_Cup_Final

    Poor show says I – pretty lame to say moving to Arsenal shows a lack of ambition, when it's pretty obvious where the blame lies. Özil's competition for a starting place next summer is ridiculous, and his real fight. He's made the right decision.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:14 pm

    Kroos wrote:
    COTR wrote:
    Kroos wrote:LOL ISCO he made more goals than assists in the last seaon


    now you have ronaldo, bale and isco, all want to score lol! 

    serious sack your president
    What if they all do score ?

    That would be quite nice for Madrid fans surely
    it may work in the league, in may work in the cl group stage, but at some point of the season it won`t work, because to win against team who are equally good small details will decide who will win, and i don`t think that 2 headless chickens are the right way to do it + isco the limited one

    look at dortmund and bayern (4 different players upfront, all very unselfish [even robben^^] and hardworking, this is the future,

    me wonders who will take the free kicks for madrid, ronaldo won`t be amused lol!
    Ozil had several years to prove he could deliver in Cl for us and results were in. The only possible excuse is that he needed another year or that he is maturing. Either way Isco is already showing more bottle. The question is if he can also provide assists.

    Now in part we don't have the same challenges that we had before. We are changing the entire way we play and new players are moving in. We played Alonso-Khedira-Ozil as our creative spine with Di Maria helping out. Alonso is a quarterback who prefers not to venture forward, Khedira is Khedira, and Ozil has delivered mostly in counter attacks and been lazy defensively to make up for it.

    Now Modric is coming the forray and he adds some mobility to our forward play that we haven't had in central midfield since forever. If Casemiro or Alonso becomes his partner than we are upgrading either way since even Casemiro is capable of delivering passing so no more mark Alonso=kill our game. It remains to be seen how creative Isco is but one good thing is that even if his passing fails in Cl he can still dribble AND shoot/get goals. So we are no longer dependent on Ronaldo in the same way we were before and we are more balanced in terms of work rate and creativity. With that said it remains to be seen how Ancelotti will handle the directness of Bale+Ronaldo and how he will incorporate this into a working system.

    If it was up to me I would have kept Ozil but given his mental weakness and that we were already seemingly adapting to playing without him I'm not sure he would have started ahead of Isco or Di Maria who earned his place on the right where Ozil prefers not to be.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:23 pm

    Mental weakness? Jesus Christ,  you've reduced him to an assist machine for that super ego 'Galactico' of yours so he can break scoring records against teams that wouldn't even get a fucking license in any other league and seriously expect to prevail against the best teams with this dinosaur strategy? Not only that,  you even blame the unselfish TEAM PLAYER (they probably don't even know how to spell that in Madrid) for your shortcomings? Get out of here,  seriously.

    Özil could have made Isco better,  as he did with the rest of his team mates.  Isco would have been a type of player who for once would have benefited Özil,  too.  You could have built a formidable TEAM for once,  but chose circus instead,  in that typical fashion.

    You said you signed Bale as a Ronaldo replacement.  You may get that wish fulfilled sooner than you like,  if the assists dry up for Riverdance because Isco is no way as unselfish as the player you're throwing mud at now,  despite him being totally fair to club and fans and not saying a bad word about either despite the shit treatment he got. Especially if Madrid fail to win the biggest titles, Ronaldo will move on.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:33 pm

    So in your opinion, Blut, what is the shit treatment Ozil received?

    The fact that the club decided to sign another player in his position?

    The fact that the club did not force the manager to make him automatic first choice?

    The fact that the club didn't give him double his current wages as he was demanding?

    The fact that his teammates stuck up for him even when his manager was blaming him for the team's performances last year?

    I really don't understand the sob story that I keep hearing for him.
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    Post by messiah Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:46 pm

    How are Madrid more balance between creativity and work rate now?, when bale will replace di maria and higs who would defend from the front is gone, if anything you guys are now too loaded on the creative side of things.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:46 pm

    The fact that he wanted to stay while you tried to whore him out to the highest bidder to finance the Bale transfer, that small little fact. But whatever Jaime, we'll get all the dirty little details soon enough. It's done.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:50 pm

    The fact that he wanted to stay while you tried to whore him out to the highest bidder to finance the Bale transfer, that small little fact. But whatever Jaime, we'll get all the dirty little details soon enough. It's done.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:51 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:The fact that he wanted to stay while you tried to whore him out to the highest bidder to finance the Bale transfer,  that small little fact.  But whatever Jaime,  we'll get all the dirty little details soon enough.  It's done.
    Hey hey hey!!!!!!!!!! I didn't whore anybody out!!!!!

    Honestly, if anyone could complain about being whored out it was Di Maria who actually was being shopped around since the beginning of the summer.

    If Ozil had really wanted to stay, then he would have stayed.

    Btw, what is the real story on Ozil's father? An article out of Marca today claiming that he was the one pushing for the move even more than the player.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:56 pm

    His father is a stupid, greedy c**t so I wouldn't be surprised.

    Di Maria has just as much reason to complain as Özil. He shouldn't have stayed either after the treatment he got.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:17 am

    messiah wrote:How are Madrid more balance between creativity and work rate now?, when bale will replace di maria and higs who would defend from the front is gone, if anything you guys are now too loaded on the creative side of things.
    Before we had

    ------Alonso---Khedira

    Di Maria--Ozil*---Ronaldo*

    Now we have


    -------Modric**----Alonso**/Illarramendi**/Casemiro**/Khedira


    Bale----Isco---Ronaldo*

    Before we had 2 players who didn't work

    Now we have also have our spine being creative whereas before it was Ozil/Alonso with Di Maria chipping in when in form and Khedira being useless and forcing opponents to double up on Alonso. Isco is also dangerous on the shot. Overall I think we're better off but we would be best with the team we had this weekend with Di Maria in for Ozil on the right.This is why the Bale transfer is a shame but I still believe we're better off if Isco proves himself more all round than Ozil. Not to mention we have Carvajal/Arbeloa+Marcelo instead of Arbeloa+Coentrao. Especially an in form Marcelo will be crucial and he is looking good.
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    Post by EMP Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:44 am

    Jaime wrote:
    Super Mourinho wrote:
    stinger wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    Super Mourinho wrote:lol! 
    What did he actually say?
    Ah nothing controversial, something like "he's a good player and I'm sure he'll do well in Europe".

    I liked my embellishment better. Biggrin
    lol! 
    lol! 
    I expected a grain of truth. Biggrin 

    Why hasn't Marca hired you to cover the details of the Bale transfer?
    I keep sending them my CV and nothing! Grr

    He did say the part about them playing against each other since they were 10.
    We cursed your application. You deserved it. No charge.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:33 am

    Interesting. Ancelotti's plan is that Diego Lopez will be the goalkeeper in the league whilst Casillas will play Champions and Copa del Rey. Not sure how that will work out. Can't think of another team that has split the time like this. Seems like it will be more difficult for Casillas who won't be playing regularly but then have to be in for some, potentially, crucial games.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:33 am

    Or maybe that will just be the way things are divided until one emerges as a clear #1.

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