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    Post by The Chosen Glenn Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:13 pm

    is Dawson injured?
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    Post by Xavier Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:06 am

    Is Holtby injured?
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:07 am

    will.i.glenn wrote:is Dawson injured?
    No, just slow and better off on the bench VS Redmond/Von Willywinkle/Hooper who are all rather rapid
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:16 am

    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:04 am

    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:47 am

    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:10 am

    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
    What? First you say that Holtby isn't in the team because he is German. Then you go on about being the more 'German friendly' club? You're confused.

    Still, it's true that Arsene's current love-in for German players isn't because he found his long lost love for his Lothringen roots. It's just that he has seen the writings on the wall. Back in L'Arse days, French players were hot commodity and hence sought after, not just by Arsene, but he was arguably the first doing so extensively. Today it's the Spanish, but Arsene is ahead of the pack again and anticipating the things to come. Meanwhile, Newcastle have caught up with the trend of ten years ago, but that's a different matter.
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    Post by Brian2468 Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:08 am

    I had to consider who to put in my Epl fantasy team Ozil should get many points we will see.Very Happy 
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:41 am

    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
    What? First you say that Holtby isn't in the team because he is German. Then you go on about being the more 'German friendly' club? You're confused.

    Still, it's true that Arsene's current love-in for German players isn't because he found his long lost love for his Lothringen roots. It's just that he has seen the writings on the wall. Back in L'Arse days, French players were hot commodity and hence sought after, not just by Arsene, but he was arguably the first doing so extensively. Today it's the Spanish, but Arsene is ahead of the pack again and anticipating the things to come. Meanwhile, Newcastle have caught up with the trend of ten years ago, but that's a different matter.
    Twas a joke ya daft bellend. Xavier is German. I didn't put Holtby in the starting 11 because right now I have no fecking clue what position he is going to play this season. Expect him to do well though this year, unfair judging him last year as he was clearly still bedding into the squad and shifted around different positions.

    And I bet we've signed more players from the Bundesliga than they have in previous years. No matter, I expect you will now be an honourary Gooner rolling out more illuminating nuggets about eternal shadows, 61 never again, winning the league in black and white etc. Gaylord Ale
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:09 am

    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Blut's ITK cheers

    I'll try and dig out this quality volley he scored last night.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:30 am

    Team tomorrow:

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    Post by Luis Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:25 pm

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    Post by Luis Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:29 pm

    Likely Liverpool 11 vs Swansea:

    Mignolet

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    Enrique

    Lucas
    Gerrard
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:36 pm

    Coutinho should play in the middle.
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    Post by debaser Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:03 pm

    Romford Pele wrote:Team tomorrow:

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    Walcott Ozil Cazorla
    Giroud

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    surely time to bring back Bendtner if you got not other attacking subs?
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    Post by 110% Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:07 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
    What? First you say that Holtby isn't in the team because he is German. Then you go on about being the more 'German friendly' club? You're confused.

    Still, it's true that Arsene's current love-in for German players isn't because he found his long lost love for his Lothringen roots. It's just that he has seen the writings on the wall. Back in L'Arse days, French players were hot commodity and hence sought after, not just by Arsene, but he was arguably the first doing so extensively. Today it's the Spanish, but Arsene is ahead of the pack again and anticipating the things to come. Meanwhile, Newcastle have caught up with the trend of ten years ago, but that's a different matter.
    No offence to Germany (because I really like Ozil), but I really don't rate mertesacker. I had a quick look to see how he was doing so far this season I had saw an interesting stat that says he's made 1 tackle so far in 3 games. It just doesn't sound right for a defender.
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    Post by 110% Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:08 pm

    Luis wrote:Likely Liverpool 11 vs Swansea:

    Mignolet

    Wisdom
    Sakho
    Agger
    Enrique

    Lucas
    Gerrard
    Henderson

    Moses
    Coutinho
    Sturridge

    Subs: Jones, Kelly, Toure, Skrtel, Alberto, Aspas, Sterling,
    Is sturridge fit enough to be drafted into my fantasy football team?
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:11 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Romford Pele wrote:Team tomorrow:

    Szcz
    Sagna Mert Kos Gibbs
    Ramsey Wilshere/Flamini
    Walcott Ozil Cazorla
    Giroud

    Bench
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    Jenkinson
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    Ryo
    surely time to bring back Bendtner if you got not other attacking subs?
    You haven't seen the state of him recently. He's a heffer. I think we'll see him in about two weeks.
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    Post by stinger Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:11 pm

    110% wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
    What? First you say that Holtby isn't in the team because he is German. Then you go on about being the more 'German friendly' club? You're confused.

    Still, it's true that Arsene's current love-in for German players isn't because he found his long lost love for his Lothringen roots. It's just that he has seen the writings on the wall. Back in L'Arse days, French players were hot commodity and hence sought after, not just by Arsene, but he was arguably the first doing so extensively. Today it's the Spanish, but Arsene is ahead of the pack again and anticipating the things to come. Meanwhile, Newcastle have caught up with the trend of ten years ago, but that's a different matter.
    No offence to Germany (because I really like Ozil), but I really don't rate mertesacker. I had a quick look to see how he was doing so far this season I had saw an interesting stat that says he's made 1 tackle so far in 3 games. It just doesn't sound right for a defender.
    If somebody is playing more as covering defender and has enough interceptions (not sure if this is the case here) it can work quite well.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:15 pm

    I'm not Mertesacker's biggest fan but he brings calm and some sort of natural order to our defence. Him and Kos also make a very good partnership, backed up by the fact that we had the second best defence in the league last season. I think most don't like him because he's slow and looks clumsy, but his anticipation and positioning is top notch.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:18 pm

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    Post by The Chosen Glenn Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:39 pm

    110% wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
    What? First you say that Holtby isn't in the team because he is German. Then you go on about being the more 'German friendly' club? You're confused.

    Still, it's true that Arsene's current love-in for German players isn't because he found his long lost love for his Lothringen roots. It's just that he has seen the writings on the wall. Back in L'Arse days, French players were hot commodity and hence sought after, not just by Arsene, but he was arguably the first doing so extensively. Today it's the Spanish, but Arsene is ahead of the pack again and anticipating the things to come. Meanwhile, Newcastle have caught up with the trend of ten years ago, but that's a different matter.
    No offence to Germany (because I really like Ozil), but I really don't rate mertesacker. I had a quick look to see how he was doing so far this season I had saw an interesting stat that says he's made 1 tackle so far in 3 games. It just doesn't sound right for a defender.
    It was a really good tackle though.

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    Tackling isn't necessarily the central defenders main responsibility. Would winning defensive headers and interceptions be counted as tackles?
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    Post by 110% Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:51 pm

    I accept the point of interceptions, headers etc, and I am not saying he should have done 10 tackles per game (although I'd do at least that many playing in central defence as a former midfielder Wink), but 1 over 3 games just seems strangely low to me. I need to do more research over numbers of "tackles" made by different positions. Maybe tackling was phased out and I didn't notice.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:01 pm

    Isco Benny wrote:
    Twas a joke ya daft bellend. Xavier is German. I didn't put Holtby in the starting 11 because right now I have no fecking clue what position he is going to play this season.  Expect him to do well though this year, unfair judging him last year as he was clearly still bedding into the squad and shifted around different positions.

    And I bet we've signed more players from the Bundesliga than they have in previous years. No matter, I expect you will now be an honourary Gooner rolling out more illuminating nuggets about eternal shadows, 61 never again, winning the league in black and white etc. Gaylord Ale
    Xavier is North American with German roots or other connections to ze Fazerland you silly Inselaffe. This said, you basically confirmed the problem with Holtby at Spurs: he's an auxiliary player at best, AVB probably doesn't even know what to do with him, neither does he seem to trust him. He's been played everywhere without a clear plan, at least I have failed to see it so far. Let me just say that Holtby hasn't exactly improved his chances to be called up for the WC next year with his move to London. At Schalke, his position was clear and the manager trusted him, he was getting tons of playing time. While he has to be praised for having the guts to leave Germany and try his luck abroad, things haven't really worked out for him so far at least.

    lol! at the second part. I won't be an 'honorary Gunner', no worries there, although I'll be watching Arsenal with increased interest this season.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:12 pm

    Re: Mertesacker

    If there is anybody on here who knows about the strengths and especially weaknesses of Mertesacker, it's me, knowing that he played for Werder quite a long time and been a Germany international even longer. This said, I think that we all (me included) tend to overblow his weaknesses, e.g. his mediocre passing ability (at best) or pace / athleticism, while underappreciating his strengths. His positioning and reading of the game is actually really good, and he is a calm player even in pressure situations, which is an important trait to have, very 'Northern German' in this regard. And he is an intelligent lad, very humble and down to earth, very likeable.

    He will probably never win over the purists, who tend to gush over the likes of Hummels, for example. But he is a real team player whose strengths complement other players well, e.g. athletic defenders like Kos or Boateng, as Romford Pele already mentioned.
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    Post by debaser Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:32 pm

    110% wrote:I accept the point of interceptions, headers etc, and I am not saying he should have done 10 tackles per game (although I'd do at least that many playing in central defence as a former midfielder Wink), but 1 over 3 games just seems strangely low to me. I need to do more research over numbers of "tackles" made by different positions. Maybe tackling was phased out and I didn't notice.
    it's DMs who do the most tackles. for CBs it is more last resort when they've got the positioning wrong or not read the game.

    there's the stats:

    http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3853/Stages/7794/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2013-2014

    0.3 tackles per game seems low for a CB, but it's the same figure for Gary Cahill. and if you go up to 0.7 (i.e. 2 tackles in their first 3 games) there's Terry, Vertonghen, Jagielka, Coloccini, Hangeland.

    of course 3 games is a very small sample. If you look at last season stats, most of the best CBs average between 1 & 2 per game (Mertesacker at 1.0 over the season)
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:38 pm

    110% wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:
    Isco Benny wrote:
    Xavier wrote:Is Holtby injured?
    No, just German.
    See, that's why you'll remain in the shadow of your North London neighbours for eternity. They've finally seen the writing on the wall while you continue to miss the boat in typical fashion.

    Serge Gnabry to be the next German sensation at Arsenal in near future, you've read it here first. Ale

    Hmmmmmmmm, interesting, given we've traditionally had more Germans than them. You not remember Klinsmann / Freund / Ziege whilst they were stocking up on Frenchies and Africans and finishing 40+ point above us?

    They sign Mertesacker and Nemo and suddenly THEY'RE the fucking Teuton legion?? Rolling Eyes

    Holtby, by the way, will almost certainly get plenty of time this year. Freund is ingrained into the fabric of this club in a way no Teuton is over at Arsenal. But yeah, all you Germans jump on the Arse bandwagon because they bought Ozil
    What? First you say that Holtby isn't in the team because he is German. Then you go on about being the more 'German friendly' club? You're confused.

    Still, it's true that Arsene's current love-in for German players isn't because he found his long lost love for his Lothringen roots. It's just that he has seen the writings on the wall. Back in L'Arse days, French players were hot commodity and hence sought after, not just by Arsene, but he was arguably the first doing so extensively. Today it's the Spanish, but Arsene is ahead of the pack again and anticipating the things to come. Meanwhile, Newcastle have caught up with the trend of ten years ago, but that's a different matter.
    No offence to Germany (because I really like Ozil), but I really don't rate mertesacker. I had a quick look to see how he was doing so far this season I had saw an interesting stat that says he's made 1 tackle so far in 3 games. It just doesn't sound right for a defender.
    Look if you don't watch the games just don't comment until you have an informed opinion.

    I was about to look for that gif, cheers Glenn – if that was his only "tackle" so far, not only was it about as clean as you get, but it was almost the turning point of the game, as Arsenal went upfield and scored the solitary goal.

    Blut's already made the point and I thought most people had a balanced view by now. Merte's weaknesses are well documented – he is not pacy, agile or a particularly good footballer (though I actually get the impression that his passing has if anything improved lately; it certainly hasn't been successfully targeted). And even I think the German pairing for the WC should probably be Hummels-Boateng (in Badstuber's absence). But right now the Hummels-Merte partnership just doesn't work at international level and Merte getting the nod in the last games proved to be fully justified. I'm a huge Hummels fan but you'd have to admit at the moment that he makes a lot more mistakes than Merte and that the latter, as a defender, is more reliable (right now).

    In other respects Mertesacker has been top-notch for Arsenal for a good while, and most fans have appreciated that as he and Koscielny have complemented each other well – his judgement, positioning and reading of the game are all superb. (Sorry to repeat Blut...) And specifically on the tackling issue, he has explicitly never been that kind of player – rarely makes a foul, and has always tried to win the ball through interceptions instead. Why he was a favourite for the Klinsmann/Löw "philosophy" in the first place.

    I have to chuckle somewhat at the repeated recycling of Steffen Freund, who seems a nice chap and did great work with the U17 kids, compared to possibly greatest human being of all time Jens Lehmann, who I think it's fair to say was a rather more important player.

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/features/lehmann-big-interview

    I hear Deutschland hasn't had as many "legionnaires" at a single foreign team since Inter (I think) in the late Nineties, so of course Blut is welcome as an honorary Kanone. Wink
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:38 pm

    Mertesacker is a very fair player, too btw. His fouling stats are pretty impressive, he very rarely gets booked and almost never sent off. Some have even hold this against him, but the less fouls a defender has to commit, the better for the team (and the better the defending actually, as fouling should always be a last resort).

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