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Luis- Number of posts : 26262
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Luis wrote:Yes because he's stupid enough to use physical violence.Kimbo wrote:If Mutch turned round and broke lil Wayne's nose would that be a red?
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Re: Premier League 23/24/25 November 2013
by christmasborocooper Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:31 pm
Hlebagone- Number of posts : 6086
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Haha
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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I only saw the 2nd half tonight, which seems a retrospectively wise decision 
Good comeback & nice to see a couple of goals from midfielders. Need them to be chipping in with a few, as none of the forwards are in form. was expecting a WBA sucker-punch as they've done that once or twice in recent years, but thankfully not.
Good comeback & nice to see a couple of goals from midfielders. Need them to be chipping in with a few, as none of the forwards are in form. was expecting a WBA sucker-punch as they've done that once or twice in recent years, but thankfully not.
Pierre Littbarski- Number of posts : 12424
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Mirallas should be red but its one of those that is easy to see in slow mo with replay's and you need to think about what it looks like from refs view in real time.
As bad as Wes Brown's red card is one we have all seen replays - even that incredibly harsh decision - I can see how it looks from ref's angle in normal time.
Rooney is a different situation all together - the ref saw that Rooney lashed out or he didn't.
The ref has 3 choices:
* Give nothing 'cos you didn't see the incident - play on
* Give free kick and no card
* Free kick and red card.
You cannot give yellow in that situation unless it is persistent fouling.
Mutch is heading towards his own goal - if its just a trip you would never book for that foul in that area of the pitch.
If you have seen the kick out (ie the violent conduct) you must give red.
As bad as Wes Brown's red card is one we have all seen replays - even that incredibly harsh decision - I can see how it looks from ref's angle in normal time.
Rooney is a different situation all together - the ref saw that Rooney lashed out or he didn't.
The ref has 3 choices:
* Give nothing 'cos you didn't see the incident - play on
* Give free kick and no card
* Free kick and red card.
You cannot give yellow in that situation unless it is persistent fouling.
Mutch is heading towards his own goal - if its just a trip you would never book for that foul in that area of the pitch.
If you have seen the kick out (ie the violent conduct) you must give red.
NeoChap- Number of posts : 59
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The derby yesterday was strange. Villa started off with Benteke as a second striker and he never got into the game but was still better than those awful awful wingers. Mulumbu ran the midfield. Then Lambert throws on three pace merchants at once, West Brom panic and go deep, Villa score from loose balls. I think last year West Brom would have won the match and they could really do with grabbing one or two elderly rejects from big clubs to give them a bit of arrogance.
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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Weimann and Delph add energy & pressing, for sure, but I wouldn't call them pace merchants, only Gabby really fits that bill from the subs. Delph is easily our best CM this season, have missed him in the last few games. All three of them would've started if they'd been fully fit.NeoChap wrote:The derby yesterday was strange. Villa started off with Benteke as a second striker and he never got into the game but was still better than those awful awful wingers. Mulumbu ran the midfield. Then Lambert throws on three pace merchants at once, West Brom panic and go deep, Villa score from loose balls. I think last year West Brom would have won the match and they could really do with grabbing one or two elderly rejects from big clubs to give them a bit of arrogance.
as for elderly rejects from big clubs to add arrogance, WBA had Anelka on the bench but didn't use him.
NeoChap- Number of posts : 59
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I remember being alarmed at how good Delph was in that Arsenal game, but the other time I watched him this season he seemed to have returned to being a poor man's Jordan Henderson. It probably is a bit harsh on Weimann, who's decent, but the main effect he seemed to have was intimidation rather than what he did with the ball. If they are all starters that might be for the worse, because they certainly made effective subs.
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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Perhaps, but part of the reason they were effective subs is 'cause they are so much better than the players they replaced! Tonev yet to do anything, definitely not good enough to start. Kozak is more Benteke backup & it's not been effective playing both of them together. and Sylla is limited.
Delph has been miles better than our other midfielders this season, he's probably first name on teamsheet when fit.
Delph has been miles better than our other midfielders this season, he's probably first name on teamsheet when fit.
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
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Not that it was diffucult to predict, but at least you were one Villa fan who was warned not too expect too much from him. Don't see a big chance for improvement either.debaser wrote:Perhaps, but part of the reason they were effective subs is 'cause they are so much better than the players they replaced! Tonev yet to do anything, definitely not good enough to start. Kozak is more Benteke backup & it's not been effective playing both of them together. and Sylla is limited.
Delph has been miles better than our other midfielders this season, he's probably first name on teamsheet when fit.
I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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I don't know that anyone expected a great deal, he was definitely in the cheap punt category (according to what Lambert said recently most of the prices press quoted in summer were considerably inflated, so it's likely he was <£1m).
Helenius has been even more disappointing. Hasn't even managed to get ahead of Jordan Bowery in the pecking order
none of the attacking signings this summer have impressed yet.
Helenius has been even more disappointing. Hasn't even managed to get ahead of Jordan Bowery in the pecking order
none of the attacking signings this summer have impressed yet.
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
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Not a chance IMO with Tonev - Lech Poznan is consistently doing a good business selling players from Eastern Europe/Balkans, not a chance they would sell him last summer for 1m pounds or less. Plus, Bulgarian and polish press were also quoting higher price after it was finalized and when they could use their own sources.debaser wrote:I don't know that anyone expected a great deal, he was definitely in the cheap punt category (according to what Lambert said recently most of the prices press quoted in summer were considerably inflated, so it's likely he was <£1m).
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Poor old TS was probably just mad because I was RIGHT about Soldado.stinger wrote:I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
As for Navas, it's no secret I'm not a fan and never have been. Interestingly, I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday so I had to do some research. Obviously he played very well against Spurs at the weekend. But that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the league since August against Hull. He hasn't really done much in the CL either. I admit he's doing better than I thought but then I thought he would have already run home crying by now.
I don't go out of my way to watch City every week so if someone else wants to argue for Jesusito being a smashing success I am all ears.
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
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I am not claiming he was a smashing success, but there is a lot of rotation among attacking players for City and almost every time I was watching them Navas was decent or better. Even when they were playing awayJaime wrote:Poor old TS was probably just mad because I was RIGHT about Soldado.stinger wrote:I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
As for Navas, it's no secret I'm not a fan and never have been. Interestingly, I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday so I had to do some research. Obviously he played very well against Spurs at the weekend. But that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the league since August against Hull. He hasn't really done much in the CL either. I admit he's doing better than I thought but then I thought he would have already run home crying by now.
I don't go out of my way to watch City every week so if someone else wants to argue for Jesusito being a smashing success I am all ears.
.Didn't check how aften he was injured though.
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No, I didn't mean you per se. I just mean if someone else who has seen a lot more of him. I realise that I can't make a terribly compelling case (apart from the fact I don't like him) because I've only seen him a few times. I saw him against Spurs. Saw him against Bayern. And I saw when he came on for the last few minutes against Chelsea.stinger wrote:I am not claiming he was a smashing success, but there is a lot of rotation among attacking players for City and almost every time I was watching them Navas was decent or better. Even when they were playing awayJaime wrote:Poor old TS was probably just mad because I was RIGHT about Soldado.stinger wrote:I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
As for Navas, it's no secret I'm not a fan and never have been. Interestingly, I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday so I had to do some research. Obviously he played very well against Spurs at the weekend. But that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the league since August against Hull. He hasn't really done much in the CL either. I admit he's doing better than I thought but then I thought he would have already run home crying by now.
I don't go out of my way to watch City every week so if someone else wants to argue for Jesusito being a smashing success I am all ears.
Didn't check how aften he was injured though.
But if you say he's been decent (or better) I believe you and that's a lot more than I thought.
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I've always been a Negredo >>>> Soldado man.Jaime wrote:Poor old TS was probably just mad because I was RIGHT about Soldado.stinger wrote:I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
As for Navas, it's no secret I'm not a fan and never have been. Interestingly, I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday so I had to do some research. Obviously he played very well against Spurs at the weekend. But that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the league since August against Hull. He hasn't really done much in the CL either. I admit he's doing better than I thought but then I thought he would have already run home crying by now.
I don't go out of my way to watch City every week so if someone else wants to argue for Jesusito being a smashing success I am all ears.
To like Soldado I would like Huntelaar too. *shudder*
I've treated Soldado just like I treated Darren Bent & Peter Crouch. (His limitations are beginning to drive me mad in the same manner).
All whilst Arsenal fans have the cheek to complain about Giroud...
Romford Pele- Number of posts : 18652
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I appreciate Giroud and the qualities he brings to our play (hold up, link up, defending from the front, good at set-pieces). That said, he is limited. A Suarez/Aguero would benefit much more. They have the ingenuity to fashion chances for themselves which the former does not, they're also more clinical.Deluded F*ckwrote:
I've always been a Negredo >>>> Soldado man.Jaime wrote:Poor old TS was probably just mad because I was RIGHT about Soldado.stinger wrote:I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
As for Navas, it's no secret I'm not a fan and never have been. Interestingly, I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday so I had to do some research. Obviously he played very well against Spurs at the weekend. But that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the league since August against Hull. He hasn't really done much in the CL either. I admit he's doing better than I thought but then I thought he would have already run home crying by now.
I don't go out of my way to watch City every week so if someone else wants to argue for Jesusito being a smashing success I am all ears.
To like Soldado I would like Huntelaar too. *shudder*
I've treated Soldado just like I treated Darren Bent & Peter Crouch. (His limitations are beginning to drive me mad in the same manner).
All whilst Arsenal fans have the cheek to complain about Giroud...
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Romford Pele wrote:I appreciate Giroud and the qualities he brings to our play (hold up, link up, defending from the front, good at set-pieces). That said, he is limited. A Suarez/Aguero would benefit much more. They have the ingenuity to fashion chances for themselves which the former does not, they're also more clinical.Deluded F*ckI've always been a Negredo >>>> Soldado man.Jaime wrote:Poor old TS was probably just mad because I was RIGHT about Soldado.stinger wrote:I read someone mocking Jaime a little bit regarding Soldado vs Negredo, but didnt we discuss also Navas being a high risk transfer for MCity? I would say he is doing better than expected (can't find original discussion though).
As for Navas, it's no secret I'm not a fan and never have been. Interestingly, I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday so I had to do some research. Obviously he played very well against Spurs at the weekend. But that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the league since August against Hull. He hasn't really done much in the CL either. I admit he's doing better than I thought but then I thought he would have already run home crying by now.
I don't go out of my way to watch City every week so if someone else wants to argue for Jesusito being a smashing success I am all ears.
To like Soldado I would like Huntelaar too. *shudder*
I've treated Soldado just like I treated Darren Bent & Peter Crouch. (His limitations are beginning to drive me mad in the same manner).
All whilst Arsenal fans have the cheek to complain about Giroud...
Well of course. They are genuinely all round world class forwards better than anyone else IMO. They would improve any team including Barcelona and Bayern. If we're going to be discussing who could add to our squad to either support and add depth or replace and take us to another level its better to compare Giroud to realistic targets.
And TS I think we're more observing rather than complaining. I think most of us are quite happy for Giroud to start for us if we had a similarly talented by different type of forward - still one that can play as the lone frontman - ready to come off the bench.
For back up: well its not going to happen but we could obviously afford him and they would sell - I would like someone like Welbeck. Very underrated. If he could finish half the chances he gets (or creates for himself) he would have the same hype as Benteke. He also creates chances and openings for others regularly. Maybe give Pato another chance in Europe if we could get him for a low risk fee. I would want Remy but with his injury record combined with Arsenal's record I wouldn't trust him to be available for enough fixtures to be a viable option. Hulk would be worth it if he wasn't so overpriced.
I can't think of anyone who would be available in January who would be an upgrade on Giroud. Maybe Jackson Martinez if Porto get knocked out for the CL. We really needed to add a CF in the summer, massively missed a trick. I think this will be the main reason we wont win the league.
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