the hell Schweinsteiger is so dammit god like

ih8gerrard wrote:ronaldo>robben>cole>pigclimber

epl blinded

Deisler wrote:

ih8gerrard wrote:ronaldo>robben>cole>pigclimber

epl blinded

congrats on your european board 'most useless poster' and most 'biased poster award' deisler.. very well earned

COTR wrote:

Deisler wrote:

ih8gerrard wrote:ronaldo>robben>cole>pigclimber

epl blinded

congrats on your european board 'most useless poster' and most 'biased poster award' deisler.. very well earned

thx i am proud of that awards

i can remember all liverpools fans talkking lyon wouldn`t make it into the top 4 in engalnd

TeamSpirit wrote:To use Deisler's own argument redgarding Rooney back at him:

"Why hype this player if all he's going to do is get sent off?"

Quite frankly, he's a disgrace to football and should never play AGAIN!

deisler: when pigfucker (best name ever though) moves to a big league where there are more than seven top players in the whole league and more than one club who have a chance of winning it -or the CL- then he wont be respected abroad. If he moved to spain, england or at a push italy then he would get more respect. You may not like it but the german league isnt close to england or spain in terms of quality so it is hard to judge how good he is. Kezman looked amazing playing for a big club in a small league and then he moved to england and was show to be lacking; then he went to spain and was equally rubbish. Im not saying pigfucker is rubbish, he just needs to move to a non-mickymouse league if he wants respect outside of germany.

i dont give a dame about this comments about german football, outside this board german football is more respected than englsih football

i think it must be really easy to play in your legaue, ballack is now the best midfielder in the epl, kuyt from dutch league is starter for example, so klose would be the best striker in epl

kezmann == where the hell is this guy now??

i think he was very unlucky

Ballack is the best midfielder in the EPL?

Have you been watching this season?

Deisler wrote:i dont give a dame about this comments about german football, outside this board german football is more respected than englsih football

i think it must be really easy to play in your legaue, ballack is now the best midfielder in the epl, kuyt from dutch league is starter for example, so klose would be the best striker in epl

kezmann == where the hell is this guy now??

i think he was very unlucky

Bollocks. English football is much more respected at club level than German football. Bundesliga is be seen as the 4th competition in Europe in general I think.

Kuyt is a starter but that's just because he's quality. Klose would be also.

Kezman is doing a great job for Fenerbace(sp?) at the moment.

ih8gerrard wrote:deisler: when pigfucker (best name ever though) moves to a big league where there are more than seven top players in the whole league and more than one club who have a chance of winning it -or the CL- then he wont be respected abroad. If he moved to spain, england or at a push italy then he would get more respect. You may not like it but the german league isnt close to england or spain in terms of quality so it is hard to judge how good he is. Kezman looked amazing playing for a big club in a small league and then he moved to england and was show to be lacking; then he went to spain and was equally rubbish. Im not saying pigfucker is rubbish, he just needs to move to a non-mickymouse league if he wants respect outside of germany.

As far as I'm concerned, you can put these "big league" comments where the sun don't shine. Seriously, is there anything more overused, more idiotic than this "argument" that is repeated ad nauseum by guys who probably have never even seen the players play they comment on?

The highest possible level is the international level, both national teams (WC, EC, competitive matches) and clubs (CL). And in both, Schweinsteiger has repeatedly shown brilliant performances. He has nothing to prove, his stats speak for themselves. If you need the EPL (La Liga, Serie A, Nigerian League 2, you name it) sticker, it's your problem.

Well I have seen Schweinsteiger play for Bayern and for the
Mannschaft and he 's great but Cristiano Ronaldo has the ability to be the best in the game(he's also following it up with great performances this season) and club bias is not coming into this , ok leave EPL followers and ask any Spanish or Italian league follower or any other who would they want in their team Ronnie or Schweini.
ps Ballack is not the best midfielder in EPL ,at the moment on performance Micheal Essien has outshown everybody.

Ballack is definitely not the best midfielder in the EPL, he needs to adopt still. It's his first year, it'll take a while before he can show his full potential in the league as well.

As far as Christiano Ronaldo is concerned, he definitely is a huge talent indeed. One of the best dribblers in the game, good shot, fast, etc. pp., there is no doubt that he can become a truly great player.

Still, Schweinsteiger is simply more effective than him, this can't be argued really, so it boils down to the needs of the team. Due to the system die Mannschaft plays, for example, Schweinsteiger is actually more than a classical winger, he and Schneider need to fill the gap in the (central) attacking midfield left by Ballack, who is more of a DM than a AM in die Mannschaft.

Therefore, hypothetically speaking, I'd prefer Schweinsteiger for die Mannschaft and Bayern, because he fits in the system better. On the other hand, Ronaldo will probably be more valuable to United (Scholes) or Portugal (Deco).

Blut , I agree.
Still would like to have Ronnie for the Mannschaft though ,playing Schenider's role as he can play out right , can come in , also play on the left wing and can also be the attacker.

hmmmm touchy germans today......
you know the english league is better, as does everyone else. Imnot saying england are better than germany, just that the prem is better than bunda. how many german teams apart from bayern have any chance of winning CL?
yup thats right none.

Only Bayern?

Bremen is about as strong as Bayern this year. But their group is a whole lot tougher. If you want to talk CL favorites, of EPL teams only Chelsea are up there. We've seen though that one-offs are possible. (Porto, Liverpool.)

I certainly think Bremen are at least as good as Arsenal, ManU and Liverpool.

The top teams are clearly Barca, Chelsea and Lyon though. But in a cup competition that doesn't guarantee success...

The Dutch are almost doing as good as the German teams in Europe which is truely unbelievable when you compare the populations....

bremen are ok but aresnal and utd have better squads. Also i think bremen will be playing uefa cup after xmas.


is it just me or is this site being real slow today?? as in taking ages to load..

@ricardojol

I've heard this population 'argument' before. Please explain, what does that have to do with anything?

@ih8

As I said, tough draw for Bremen. I think they'd get out of pretty much all the other groups.

Effenberg wrote:@ricardojol

I've heard this population 'argument' before. Please explain, what does that have to do with anything?

@ih8

As I said, tough draw for Bremen. I think they'd get out of pretty much all the other groups.

Ignore Ricardo: he's hyping the eredivisie AGAIN

Deisler wrote:i dont give a dame about this comments about german football, outside this board german football is more respected than englsih football
i think it must be really easy to play in your legaue, ballack is now the best midfielder in the epl , kuyt from dutch league is starter for example, so klose would be the best striker in epl worst point ever made???
kezmann == where the hell is this guy now??..WTF

i think he was very unlucky

I nominate this as the worst and most uninformed post i have ever read...

This thread is horrible. Yes Schweini deserves praise, but the comparisons are just stupid.

There is no player in his age bracket in the world who I would swap him with. And he is a local lad from just up the road. Bayern through and through.

As far as the EPL vs BL comparisons go, of course the EPL has more financial resources which means their teams are able to acquire more lucrative signings. Then there is also Abramovic and Sky TV.

The stronger league at this moment in time is the EPL, but in terms of longevity, the Bundesliga has every league beat. The financial bubble surrounding Sky and the EPL cannot last forever, and there are teams spending way beyond their limits in the false belief of a never-ending breadline.

In the last 10 years the EPl has had 3 finalists and 2 different winners of the Champions League. The Bundesliga has, in that same period, had 4 finalists and 2 different winners. The gulf between the top teams is nowhere near as big as some people like I8gerrard would hope.

COTR wrote:

Deisler wrote:i dont give a dame about this comments about german football, outside this board german football is more respected than englsih football
i think it must be really easy to play in your legaue, ballack is now the best midfielder in the epl , kuyt from dutch league is starter for example, so klose would be the best striker in epl worst point ever made???
kezmann == where the hell is this guy now??..WTF

i think he was very unlucky

I nominate this as the worst and most uninformed post i have ever read...

Not great timing on his post either. 6 wins in 7 games for english clubs in europe this week means the overrated EPL is pulling ever further ahead in points ranking from the Bundesliga.

Good post, Isar!

@ isar

How can you be so sure the bubble will burst?

Sure, some teams will go under - that happens in all leagues though and the situation is far worse in la liga and serie A.

There are a lot of shrewdly run clubs in the EPL and I'm sure its financial muscle will not reduce in the near future

Isar Truppe wrote:This thread is horrible. Yes Schweini deserves praise, but the comparisons are just stupid.

There is no player in his age bracket in the world who I would swap him with. And he is a local lad from just up the road. Bayern through and through.

As far as the EPL vs BL comparisons go, of course the EPL has more financial resources which means their teams are able to acquire more lucrative signings. Then there is also Abramovic and Sky TV.

The stronger league at this moment in time is the EPL, but in terms of longevity, the Bundesliga has every league beat. The financial bubble surrounding Sky and the EPL cannot last forever, and there are teams spending way beyond their limits in the false belief of a never-ending breadline.
In the last 10 years the EPl has had 3 finalists and 2 different winners of the Champions League. The Bundesliga has, in that same period, had 4 finalists and 2 different winners. The gulf between the top teams is nowhere near as big as some people like I8gerrard would hope.

The point is that even before Sky Money the English League was winning trophies and highly regarded, so the issue of money sounds like you are clutching at straws (especially as a Bayern Supporter whose own club success is based on a heavy buying policy). There was a lull in qulaity when all the best players left England during the Heysel years, but now the gulf between Bundesliga and Premiership isnt massive, but its very noticeable. Not at the top where Bayern and Bremen could compete very well in the Prem, but lower down where the Bundesliga clubs have been prgressively becoming less and less competitive in the UEFA Cup (which is the only real platform we can use for comparison), whilst English clubs have been far and away more superior in this competition over recent history.

Clutching at straws? Not at all.

As you say, op teams from both leagues will always compete with one another at a similar level.

The real difference, as you've already stated, is between the mid-table teams. And therein lies the gulf in terms of financial gain through EPL compared with BL.

The most lucrative game in the history of sport is the Championship play-off final. With a guarantee of £25 million for the winner from TV money alone. Now when a club like Watford can rake in that kind of cash and the German equivilant like Aachen receive €4 million, that is more than 10 times the amount of money each year.

To put this into more perspective. Blackburn, Newcastle, Tottenham and Boro have spent more money on players in the last 2 years than Bayern have spent in the last 6.

So when you say that Bayern are a club whos success is based on spending money, you should think again. Bayerns success has always been based on the development of talent from our youth academy. Evident again in the current first team with the likes of Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Rensing, Ottl and Hargreaves all products of our youth system.

In conclusion, the mention of money is not "clutching at straws", it is the single most significant factor in the success rate of EPL clubs compared with Bundesliga clubs on the European stage.

@Tweedle

I don't know if the the "Sky bubble" will (ever) burst, but in Germany we had a (smaller) equivalent in form of the "Kirch Media bubble" in times when clubs like Dortmund and Leverkusen did spend lots of money...
As you probably know this bubble did burst and clubs like Dortmund and Leverkusen were almost bankrupt then...

I don't know much about the EPL, but from what I have read some of the EPL clubs have huge debts even though they earn so much money.

Isar Truppe wrote:Clutching at straws? Not at all.

As you say, op teams from both leagues will always compete with one another at a similar level.

The real difference, as you've already stated, is between the mid-table teams. And therein lies the gulf in terms of financial gain through EPL compared with BL.

The most lucrative game in the history of sport is the Championship play-off final. With a guarantee of £25 million for the winner from TV money alone. Now when a club like Watford can rake in that kind of cash and the German equivilant like Aachen receive €4 million, that is more than 10 times the amount of money each year.

To put this into more perspective. Blackburn, Newcastle, Tottenham and Boro have spent more money on players in the last 2 years than Bayern have spent in the last 6.

So when you say that Bayern are a club whos success is based on spending money, you should think again. Bayerns success has always been based on the development of talent from our youth academy. Evident again in the current first team with the likes of Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Rensing, Ottl and Hargreaves all products of our youth system.

In conclusion, the mention of money is not "clutching at straws", it is the single most significant factor in the success rate of EPL clubs compared with Bundesliga clubs on the European stage.

Makaay, Ze Roberto, Ballack, Podolski, Santa Cruz, Pizarro, Lucio, Salihamadzic, Sagnol, Van Bommel, Demichelis - I can name you far more players Munich have bought over the last couple of seasons from other Bundesliga and European clubs than those players which have been brought through the youth team.

Furthermore, your youth set up with be nothing without money. So using your argument, I say to you that Bayern's comparative domestic success is simply a case of money.

If you are going to use this argument to differentiate the clubs you have mentioned (who, like Boro, ironically played a full 11 youth players in one game last season) then I'm happy to accept money is the sole reason, but by that line of thought you should thank the buck for making your own side virtually unbeatable at home and thus giving you that opportunity to compete on the big stage with those Champions League millions

Sure we've signed some great players, but our transfer record is Roy Makaay at £12 million. West Ham spent £7 million on Ashton and Tottenham spent nearly £15 million on Berbatov. We make clever signings as we can't afford to splash the cash like Man Utd or Chelsea for example. The backbone of our success has always come from our youth system. In the 70's we had the likes of Muller, Beckenbauer, Breitner and Maier all from our own youth system. These are local players who made it through even when we had very little money in the clubs youth system. Our success over the years is because of their achievements. So we don't thank the buck, we earned our reputation through shrewd investments and youth policy.

In this day and age, money is the primary reason the EPL does so well in Europe from top to bottom. This is an undeniable fact.

@ Isar Truppe

The backbone of our success has always come from our youth system. In the 70's we had the likes of Muller, Beckenbauer, Breitner and Maier all from our own youth system. These are local players who made it through even when we had very little money in the clubs youth system. Our success over the years is because of their achievements. So we don't thank the buck, we earned our reputation through shrewd investments and youth policy.

Sounds familiar.. can be said the same by a certain Dutch side.