Internacional v. Barcelona

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i disagree. you didnt have any big chances which should have been easy to create.but you did create alot of half chances. maybe the xavi volley was a 100% chance.it wasnt deserved because inter did very little. and inter didnt park the bus they were just bad defensive. they tried to keep hold of the ball and did it in the start but they were very badly organised. i mean they never presured the barca midfielders at all.

They had one shot on target in each half.. hardly testifies to an adventurous style of play.

I guess that Brazileans playing attacking football is becoming a myth. Twice in a row you see them focusing on defence and trying to grab the winner through a counterattack.

Question for the cules,

Why was Dos Santos taken ? Just to hype him up even more ?

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i disagree. you didnt have any big chances which should have been easy to create.but you did create alot of half chances. maybe the xavi volley was a 100% chance.it wasnt deserved because inter did very little. and inter didnt park the bus they were just bad defensive. they tried to keep hold of the ball and did it in the start but they were very badly organised. i mean they never presured the barca midfielders at all.

They had one shot on target in each half.. hardly testifies to an adventurous style of play.

I guess that Brazileans playing attacking football is becoming a myth. Twice in a row you see them focusing on defence and trying to grab the winner through a counterattack.

that is not equal to parking the bus.parking the buss would have been if they played this way on purpose. it was clear that counterattacking wasnt their style of play and they did try to play the ball out of defence.and i agree that deco was motm. he was very good but he lost out in the end.

no, it was totally different.

Liverpool dominated the game completly. Sao Paulo played like the bitches that they are.

Inter today played as well as Barca, but scored when they could. Barca couldn`t do anything. Inter defence was perfect.

Barca IMO is the best in the world. I got no doubt about that.

but this victory shows once again that the level of South American club football is still very high, and our top teams could do well in Europe.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

Puro Noel wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:Yes, but undeserved. ( I might be biased though)

Cheer up Oleguer! Barcelona are still the best team in the world in my opinion. Just wait 'till you get everyone back healthy. Internacional did earn their trophy though. They were solid. I was impressed, it was like they knew they were gonna be champs.

They did get away with a penalty though, and if it wasn't for their goalie pulling off some good saves we would have won it. I guess it was a bit similar to the Sao Paolo - Liverpool game.

you must have watched another game. Barca had 2 or 3 good chances during the game, and that was all. Inter had 2 and sored, so they deserved it.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:barca can only blame themselves. inter was the perfect team for barca. they try to keep the ball and play in SLOW tempo and counterattack slow as well.and they didnt pres none of barcas players at all. barca dominated play and created some chances but no clear chances. át least it wasnt like last year where livepool lost despite creating chance after chance. i gues south american teams just knows how to beat europeans.

Of course, it was our to loose.. Internacional didn't really manage to do anything much, and we simply failed to score. We did have plenty of chances to do it..

I think we completely dominated to first half, and the substitutions broke our rythm and therefore didn't manage to continue the style from the first half. The second half was rather boring until the goal, where we played too slow and Internacional just parked the bus..

Ah well.. I guess we will just have to win it next year

Inter is a defensive team that plays ugly football even against Brazilian clubs.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i disagree. you didnt have any big chances which should have been easy to create.but you did create alot of half chances. maybe the xavi volley was a 100% chance.it wasnt deserved because inter did very little. and inter didnt park the bus they were just bad defensive. they tried to keep hold of the ball and did it in the start but they were very badly organised. i mean they never presured the barca midfielders at all.

They had one shot on target in each half.. hardly testifies to an adventurous style of play.

I guess that Brazileans playing attacking football is becoming a myth. Twice in a row you see them focusing on defence and trying to grab the winner through a counterattack.

Melchor Gaspar Y Baltasar wrote:Question for the cules,

Why was Dos Santos taken ? Just to hype him up even more ?

I think the plan was to have him play against América or if we had lost that in the game for 3rd place. I don't know why he didn't come on against the Mexican team when we were ahead. Today there was no reason to put him on since he is just a kid.

todo wrote:you must have watched another game. Barca had 2 or 3 good chances during the game, and that was all. Inter had 2 and sored, so they deserved it.

I am not saying that Inter is a bad team, it just reminded me of those typical games against mid/lower table opposition in Spain, where the opponents are just hoping for a bit of luck to score but otherwise focuses on defence. Inter hardly ever had more than 3-4 players in our half and they just seemed intent on defending.

Sort of disappointing as I had hoped for some good football and tricks, yet I didn't see one good move except for the goal from Inter (and that was also due to some dodgy keeping by Valdés).

On the other hand we only played good football in the first half, and the second half was more a stalemate. I can't really figure whether it was down to the midfield changes or whether our players were simply tired.

Oh dear Barca

Qu'elle tragedié

Actually you win £4m if you win so was quite a big deal

I'd never say Inter is better than Barça. we all know they aren't.

but they deserved it. you said their defence was crap, but then the best team in the world couldn't score or have more than 2 good chances against a crap defence?

Inter always play like that in the Brazilian league. they are a counterattacking team and I never saw a great Inter match.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

todo wrote:you must have watched another game. Barca had 2 or 3 good chances during the game, and that was all. Inter had 2 and sored, so they deserved it.

I am not saying that Inter is a bad team, it just reminded me of those typical games against mid/lower table opposition in Spain, where the opponents are just hoping for a bit of luck to score but otherwise focuses on defence. Inter hardly ever had more than 3-4 players in our half and they just seemed intent on defending.

Sort of disappointing as I had hoped for some good football and tricks, yet I didn't see one good move except for the goal from Inter (and that was also due to some dodgy keeping by Valdés).

On the other hand we only played good football in the first half, and the second half was more a stalemate. I can't really figure whether it was down to the midfield changes or whether our players were simply tired.

I blame this lost on the following
liverpool
real madrid
chlesea

Because they are all evil

Guddy for being a slow mother fucker who can only score when the goal is wide up(but he has been in good from of late)

ricky for using the wrong tactics(he made us play way to slow tho... some of that was down to inter closing us down in midfield) and from making subs that has no impact what so ever on the game and for not taking Guddy off at half time and putting on saviola/Santi



Congrats to inter the defended really well and time their goal perfectly

todo wrote:I'd never say Inter is better than Barça. we all know they aren't.

but they deserved it. you said their defence was crap, but then the best team in the world couldn't score or have more than 2 good chances against a crap defence?

Inter always play like that in the Brazilian league. they are a counterattacking team and I never saw a great Inter match.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

todo wrote:you must have watched another game. Barca had 2 or 3 good chances during the game, and that was all. Inter had 2 and sored, so they deserved it.

I am not saying that Inter is a bad team, it just reminded me of those typical games against mid/lower table opposition in Spain, where the opponents are just hoping for a bit of luck to score but otherwise focuses on defence. Inter hardly ever had more than 3-4 players in our half and they just seemed intent on defending.

Sort of disappointing as I had hoped for some good football and tricks, yet I didn't see one good move except for the goal from Inter (and that was also due to some dodgy keeping by Valdés).

On the other hand we only played good football in the first half, and the second half was more a stalemate. I can't really figure whether it was down to the midfield changes or whether our players were simply tired.

I didn't say that their defence was bad, just that it was all they did, apart from a few counterattacks.

imo their defence was bad. but what was worst was that they led barcas key players touch the ball(deco,inesta) too much. it was a match that perfect for barca. i gues they werent up for it.

Melchor Gaspar Y Baltasar wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

And at least we make it to finals... unlike some other teams

We tend to win our finals

Unlucky anyway

you were saying?

INTER!...Iarley! this guy isn't anything great but I have some very good memories from him playing with us so congrats to him and his team for winning his second world club title!

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

you were saying?

I said, we tend to win our finals, did you really need me to repeat myself again

We played 5 finals and won 3 cups.

Barça played 2 finals and lost them both

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Melchor Gaspar Y Baltasar wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

And at least we make it to finals... unlike some other teams

We tend to win our finals

Unlucky anyway

you were saying?

you guys shoulnt be braggin after what you delivered against estudiante.

wasn't bragging just a reminder that you guys aren't that good either and that southamerican footie is head and shoulders over European football...anyway true about last Wednesday's final, the team did not deliver...nevertheless I'm more fan of Boca than ever before

off to watch el kun play

Melchor Gaspar Y Baltasar wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

you were saying?

I said, we tend to win our finals, did you really need me to repeat myself again

We played 5 finals and won 3 cups.

Barça played 2 finals and lost them both

We played 2 and won 2

Anyway, games between south american and european teams are very tight and usually are decided by a single goal.
What is interesting is that the gap between these 2 and the rest is still very big.

they take our best players away and even thus we manage to beat them...

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:wasn't bragging just a reminder that you guys aren't that good either and that southamerican footie is head and shoulders over European football...anyway true about last Wednesday's final, the team did not deliver...nevertheless I'm more fan of Boca than ever before

off to watch el kun play

really gutted. When I come round I'll detail my verdict.

really gutted.

todo wrote:

they take our best players away and even thus we manage to beat them...

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:wasn't bragging just a reminder that you guys aren't that good either and that southamerican footie is head and shoulders over European football...anyway true about last Wednesday's final, the team did not deliver...nevertheless I'm more fan of Boca than ever before

off to watch el kun play

I think it is good to have these competitions but maybe we should go back to the old format of two legs, one at home and one away.. With all due respect to the other federations, they are just there to make up the numbers..

I am over my bitterness and can honestly say congratulations to Inter without a bitter taste in my mouth.. but still..

I think that would be brilliant.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

todo wrote:

they take our best players away and even thus we manage to beat them...

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:wasn't bragging just a reminder that you guys aren't that good either and that southamerican footie is head and shoulders over European football...anyway true about last Wednesday's final, the team did not deliver...nevertheless I'm more fan of Boca than ever before

off to watch el kun play

I think it is good to have these competitions but maybe we should go back to the old format of two legs, one at home and one away.. With all due respect to the other federations, they are just there to make up the numbers..

I am over my bitterness and can honestly say congratulations to Inter without a bitter taste in my mouth.. but still..

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:wasn't bragging just a reminder that you guys aren't that good either and that southamerican footie is head and shoulders over European football...anyway true about last Wednesday's final, the team did not deliver...nevertheless I'm more fan of Boca than ever before

off to watch el kun play

yeah i know just had to say something.
but how the hell can you come to this conclusion after wathing the final and last years final. first of all european teams barely take this serious and when you consider that it is in the middle of the season it loses even more importantance. this competion has always been south americas way to get one over europe but the truth is that european football is ahead of south american football. in all ways.

in your dreams.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:the truth is that european football is ahead of south american football. in all ways.

well maybe not talentwise.
But organisation,quality,money,profesionalisme.
can you really argue that south america are better on these points.

Money and organisation aren't everything...

organisation, money, professionalism... european football is far ahead in regard to those issues. european club football is also much stronger, no doubt about that.

but I wouldn't say European football (including international football) is better.

and I don't think you can say the champions league is an european cup. it's an international cup:

players by country in the last champions league (offline source: Época Magazine):

brazil: 72 players
spain: 71
france: 64
italy: 48
germany: 42
holland: 38
czechia: 35
portugal: 33
england: 33
belgium: 32
argentina: 29

brazil + argentina = 101 players. and we are not including uruguayans, colombians, peruvians, mexicans etc. suppose all those latin american players left the champions league to play in Latin American clubs...

I never said Inter is better than Barcelona, I'm not an idiot and I know that ain't true. I just think it was a great deed for South Americans to beat the best club in the world (or one of the best) even though we were left by hundreds of talented footballers who went to play abroad. if we only could keep those hundreds of talented players, our league would probably be the best.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:well maybe not talentwise.
But organisation,quality,money,profesionalisme.
can you really argue that south america are better on these points.

todo wrote:organisation, money, professionalism... european football is far ahead in regard to those issues. european club football is also much stronger, no doubt about that.

but I wouldn't say European football (including international football) is better.

and I don't think you can say the champions league is an european cup. it's an international cup:

players by country in the last champions league (offline source: Época Magazine):

brazil: 72 players
spain: 71
france: 64
italy: 48
germany: 42
holland: 38
czechia: 35
portugal: 33
england: 33
belgium: 32
argentina: 29

brazil + argentina = 101 players. and we are not including uruguayans, colombians, peruvians, mexicans etc. suppose all those latin american players left the champions league to play in Latin American clubs...

I never said Inter is better than Barcelona, I'm not an idiot and I know that ain't true. I just think it was a great deed for South Americans to beat the best club in the world (or one of the best) even though we were left by hundreds of talented footballers who went to play abroad. if we only could keep those hundreds of talented players, our league would probably be the best.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:well maybe not talentwise.
But organisation,quality,money,profesionalisme.
can you really argue that south america are better on these points.

Isn't Curitiba supposed to be pretty professional with a top youth set up?

When, hopefully soon, South America finally catches up with Europe economically, we will see the true strenght of South American football.

@Oleguer

no, Coritiba is in second division right now. as far as I know, the clubs that reveal more players currently are São Paulo and Corinthians.

Vitória also used to be good on this, revealing players like Bebeto, Vampeta, Dida.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:When, hopefully soon, South America finally catches up with Europe economically, we will see the true strenght of South American football.

unfortunatelly, I don't think I'll live to see that.