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    Post by Since 1888 Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:29 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:
    Bonthuis questioned some of Vloet's policies, and the way in which he handled expensive signings such as regular substitute Yannis Anastasiou.

    A point i believe you raised before? ..

    Yannis was a starter for the first games but did not contribute. Then, our vital game against Excelsior he decides to drop Yannis. I could very well live with that. But than he does the unthinkable. Play 2 wingers without a striker. Doh
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    Post by Machiavel Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:35 pm

    Never knew Vloet was tactically unaware?

    must be frustrating.
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    Post by Since 1888 Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:51 pm

    The oldest football stadium from Holland celibrates his 90th anniversary on 15th of October.
    "Het Kasteel"..I'm proud of that little fellow.
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    Post by Machiavel Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:54 pm

    AZ will be the guests the day before ..
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    Post by Fey Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:55 pm

    I quite liked the old "Kasteel" came alot there when I was young. Never liked that they turned the stadium in new one.
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    Post by Since 1888 Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:04 pm

    Fey wrote:I quite liked the old "Kasteel" came alot there when I was young. Never liked that they turned the stadium in new one.

    I know, the old one was absolutly great. The last one isn't great because a lot of the atmosphere vanished.
    The inside is pretty nice though.
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    Post by Fey Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:08 pm

    Aye, I had the same thing with "de Meer" quite funny that ajax played in such a shithole of a stadium. But the atmosphere was much better then it is in the Arena, even with the dancepartys the atmosphere is hardly to find there.

    Will be a great loss if the are gonna break-down the Kuip in a few years. Sad
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    Post by Machiavel Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:13 pm

    Fey wrote:Aye, I had the same thing with "de Meer" quite funny that ajax played in such a shithole of a stadium. But the atmosphere was much better then it is in the Arena, even with the dancepartys the atmosphere is hardly to find there.

    Will be a great loss if the are gonna break-down the Kuip in a few years. Sad

    As Ajax became successful .. they realised the stadium was small, sad though, but UEFA laws state that a 'certain' capacity must be needed to participate in their competitions ..
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    Post by Since 1888 Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:20 pm

    Is Vloet finally seeing the light?
    It seems against AZ it's going to be something like:
    --------------Ponk
    Roover-Olfers-Gudde-vBueren
    ----------Obodai-Rose
    -----------Medunjanin
    Oost---------------------Bouaouzan
    -------------EMNES

    No vDijk, no Yannis is all good.
    Olfers-Gudde seems the best duo although Schenkel is the better defender than both.
    Rose...why I don't know. I'd rather see Kaita or vBueren on that place and Polak(who is fit again) play at LB.

    At AZ there are 3 ex-Spartans.
    Mendes, Jaliens and Koevermans(!). I still don't expect anything though.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:33 pm

    Sparta

    This is going to be a real tough game, but let's hope you lot can get a good result. Tho we should be realistic and this could be the last game of Vloet...But I never liked that men anyway, so I hope you will get a type like Korbach.He would get you back on the track.
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    Post by Since 1888 Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:36 pm

    Fey wrote:Sparta

    This is going to be a real tough game, but let's hope you lot can get a good result. Tho we should be realistic and this could be the last game of Vloet...But I never liked that men anyway, so I hope you will get a type like Korbach.He would get you back on the track.

    Don't think it will be his last week. The board said that he will have atleast 3 games to turn the tie. I still don't expect anything like I said.

    For a new coach Korbach is one of them but he has health problems. van Tiggelen is a possible but doesn't have the papers and Blind could be our new head coach. I wouldn't mind that. Atleast he know the Sparta culture.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:01 pm

    Fucking YES!!!!!!!!!

    'Nieuwe sterke man dient zich aan voor Feyenoord'

    Feyenoord staat voor een drastische verandering. Volgens VI-hoofdredacteur Johan Derksen heeft zich er in de persoon van Steven Rottier een nieuwe sterke man aangediend die de Rotterdamse club wil overnemen.
    'Een bijzondere integere man, en zeker kredietwaardig', vertelde Johan Derksen in Voetbal Insite over de mogelijk nieuwe sterke man voor Feyenoord. Volgens de hoofdredacteur van Voetbal International weet de Rotterdamse club nog van niets. Rottier zou zich op de achtergrond willen houden, maar een team neerzetten om Feyenoord te leiden.

    Voorzitter van de raad van commissarissen Jorien van den Herik liet eerder in VI weten bereid te zijn zijn functie ter beschikking te stellen. 'Alleen voor mensen die kunnen aangeven wat ze met Feyenoord van plan zijn en die over geld beschikken.'
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:16 pm

    Biggest news for Feyenoord in years!!! Our current chairman will resign(finally) and some rich guy will follow him up. This guy already talked to the manager of Dirk Kuyt, how much it would cost to take him back to Rotterdam Shocked <Ale>
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:18 pm

    Good news for Feyenoord ...

    how much will be in the kitty for January.

    Maybe Ajax will give you Huntelaar Very Happy
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:23 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:Good news for Feyenoord ...

    how much will be in the kitty for January.

    Maybe Ajax will give you Huntelaar Very Happy

    Rai, this is big,big news!!! That will mean that we finally can buy players that will actually give Feyenoord a quality boost. Ofcourse we will have to wait what the real intentions of the guy are, but the deathtreats have worked lol! The Big bald leader will finally resign..
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:25 pm

    Resorting to death threats in order to change fortunes at the club .. shame on Feyenoord fans

    .. well at least it worked Smile

    Damn this is what i fear:

    A Feyenoord with money ... well Ajax have prepared for this day.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:29 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:Resorting to death threats in order to change fortunes at the club .. shame on Feyenoord fans

    .. well at least it worked Smile

    Damn this is what i fear:

    A Feyenoord with money ... well Ajax have prepared for this day.

    Well the money thing is not that important. I just hope our managment will get a boost, so that alot of misstakes are belong to the past. Selling Zuiverloon, sno, Leo, and getting worse/or the same guys back.

    But 3 leaguetitles in 30 years....that was asking for a change.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:31 pm

    Fey wrote:
    rai Mihawk wrote:Resorting to death threats in order to change fortunes at the club .. shame on Feyenoord fans

    .. well at least it worked Smile

    Damn this is what i fear:

    A Feyenoord with money ... well Ajax have prepared for this day.

    Well the money thing is not that important. I just hope our managment will get a boost, so that alot of misstakes are belong to the past. Selling Zuiverloon, sno, Leo, and getting worse/or the same guys back.

    But 3 leaguetitles in 30 years....that was asking for a change.

    Good.

    A healthy Feyenoord who can compete for the title is what i want to see, Dutch football needs teams to be promoting the football they have done before and - Feyenoord, PSV, AZ and Ajax fighting for the title and honours in Europe .. can only be a good thing?
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:35 pm

    Ye, it will be good for our league as well. And let's be fair AZ won't last that long. So than it would be Ajax and Psv again, but now with this money boast we can have a 4 team-title race next year.

    But we don't want to turn into a club like Chelsea, we just want those mismanagement gone. We are a club of the people (Scousers of Holland Biggrin ) We would want that more of our youth products get a chance, rather then be like PSV and just buy anything.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:41 pm

    Not sure about AZ not lasting long .. it be good for them to maintain what they have, bringing players in like Schaars is great.

    My hope is for Dutch football to compete in Europe like they have done in the late 60's, early 70's, mid-late 80's, early 90's and early 2000's

    Now for mid to late 2000's!!

    Ajax, Feyenoord and AZ to do well in the UEFA Cup this year could be a start..

    .. then maybe teams would not have to sell their players.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:49 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:Not sure about AZ not lasting long .. it be good for them to maintain what they have, bringing players in like Schaars is great.

    My hope is for Dutch football to compete in Europe like they have done in the late 60's, early 70's, mid-late 80's, early 90's and early 2000's

    Now for mid to late 2000's!!

    Ajax, Feyenoord and AZ to do well in the UEFA Cup this year could be a start..

    .. then maybe teams would not have to sell their players.

    Well they buy young players from somewhere else, but we shall see, future will tell.

    That its time again to dominate Europe again, I fully agree on you. But I think that will be more of a dream as the years go by. I mean look at Blackburn, they already recieve more TV-money then all Dutch clubs together Shocked

    But then again, money doesn’t say it all, if you look at our history we usually make success because of our creativity. Look at the Totaal voetbal, that made us great because it was new and creative. But thank god out youth education still belongs to the best of the world. And that is something money can't buy.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:56 pm

    @ Fey

    But thank god out youth education still belongs to the best of the world. And that is something money can't buy.

    So true, teams like Ajax for example rely on the youth card to be successful and not spending £20M one one player etc.

    How many times has it paid off.

    What i fear is, if the club is viewed as a feeder club, the only way to eradicate this thought is to be successful .. imagine if Dutch sides become feared in Europe and dominating (not 'ruthlessly') but get to semis, maybe a final .. and who knows win. the youngsters can see their clubs are top and stay in the country ... and the process will help the clubs, revenue goes up and earning rockets -- a NEW age of Dutch football??

    we must take notes from Spain, Italy and England -- how many of their players play abroad?

    Garcia, Alonso, Cesc, Reina - for span (from the top of my head)

    England - Hargreaves
    Italy - none (I'm not sure, but less than 3 for sure)

    Against Bulgaria, only 1 Dutchman who started the game played his football in Holland ... you know who.

    Its sad .. but the players who are playing are talented and great, but imagine if they all played in Holland still.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:03 pm

    Well that Dutch people are all over Europe is money issue. But its also because Dutchies can adept all over the world, another strong point of us. Look at German players, they could earn much more abroad, but choose to stay in the Heimat.

    So even if we had the money a lot of players would still leave, just because it's an adventure as well.

    A downside with youth players is the consistency of those players. One game they could be great (Sneijder vs Scotland) and they other games he could be shite.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:07 pm

    A downside with youth players is the consistency of those players. One game they could be great (Sneijder vs Scotland) and they other games he could be shite.

    I blame, insecurity and hype.

    Team is craving for a talent, someone comes and performs like its the end of the world .. the hype starts.

    Same is happening to Huntelaar .. its not needed, only encouragement and support.

    Not calling him the next van Basten etc

    There's a show called FIFA Futbol Mundial, they had a interview with Klaas.

    asked: what does it feel to be compared to the past Ajax/Dutch legends

    KJH: a compliment, and a nice feeling and something i can aspire to be, nothing is impossible if you don't believe ...


    I can see it happeing to Schaars and Hofs .. whos is being called the next 'Cocu' .. Schaars??
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:14 pm

    We can only wait how those players will develop. In the past there were a lot of youth players that where gonna be the next Cruyff of van Basten. But eventually they didn't even played at small clubs.

    There is no need to hype a player at all, could only harm the player. So just let them play their game.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:19 pm

    Fey wrote:We can only wait how those players will develop. In the past there were a lot of youth players that where gonna be the next Cruyff of van Basten. But eventually they didn't even played at small clubs.

    There is no need to hype a player at all, could only harm the player. So just let them play their game.

    My point exactly.

    No one will be ever as good as Cruijff .. or maybe Erm

    Personally i think De Boer and his colleagues, must bring back 'total football' or make the players adaptable to play in any position when required in a match, inject it into the youngsters coming through and in 5-8 years time ... who knows.

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    Next week at De Kuip ... De Klassieker

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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:22 pm

    Aye, im going to the match Twisted Evil . But the NS are refusing to transport the Ajax-supporters Crying or Very sad

    It aint fun without them.....
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:24 pm

    Fey wrote:Aye, im going to the match Twisted Evil . But the NS are refusing to transport the Ajax-supporters Crying or Very sad

    It aint fun without them.....


    One disadvantage of not living in Holland .. would love to go, cousin is so i hope he has fun ... and you.

    If Feyenoord win, i said it before -- i will not show my face for some days, need to recover.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:27 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:
    Fey wrote:Aye, im going to the match Twisted Evil . But the NS are refusing to transport the Ajax-supporters Crying or Very sad

    It aint fun without them.....


    One disadvantage of not living in Holland .. would love to go, cousin is so i hope he has fun ... and you.

    If Feyenoord win, i said it before -- i will not show my face for some days, need to recover.

    Your Cousin is a Feyenoord fan?? Well it will prolly end with a lose for Feyenoord, and a big fight afterwards. Than the politicians will ask questions again and we both get a penalty to pay. And by then it's almost time for Ajax-Feyenoord Biggrin
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:31 pm

    Fey wrote:
    rai Mihawk wrote:
    Fey wrote:Aye, im going to the match Twisted Evil . But the NS are refusing to transport the Ajax-supporters Crying or Very sad

    It aint fun without them.....


    One disadvantage of not living in Holland .. would love to go, cousin is so i hope he has fun ... and you.

    If Feyenoord win, i said it before -- i will not show my face for some days, need to recover.

    Your Cousin is a Feyenoord fan?? Well it will prolly end with a lose for Feyenoord, and a big fight afterwards. Than the politicians will ask questions again and we both get a penalty to pay. And by then it's almost time for Ajax-Feyenoord Biggrin

    No a Ajacied like me, but he has a 'few' Feyenoord fans who are his friends ..

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