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Valencia and Inter we're after both Viduka and Kewell for offers of around £20 million.
No one would offer that for Bellamy, Kuyt or Crouch.
No one would offer that for Bellamy, Kuyt or Crouch.
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Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Kimbo wrote:I think age is the big factor here tbh, Luis is too young to have seen Viduka at Leeds and the only time he watches Boro is when they play Liverpool. He doesn't realise Viduka is one of the most talented strikers there has been in the premiership, certainly top 10 IMO.
totally agree.
Viduka at Leeds was one of the best strikers in the world for about two seasons to be honest - he was unplayable.
If he'd been English he'd probably have been valued at around £30m around that time
That was in the fucking past, jesus, Fowler is the best striker in the premiership then if we're going on the past
The talent is still there though, this season has proved that. He's just slower than he used to be, he's still strong, a great finisher, clever, and has great technique.
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Viduka is better than Bellamy and Crouch. Kuyt is a supporting striker and Viduka is a better finisher.
So Viduka is a better fnisher, thus a better striker than all of them.
Viduka however wouldn't have gotten in the Liverpool XI last year, because he has no pace. Neither does Crouch but wins headers, Bellamy is pacier and Kuyt contributes more to the overall game and is faster than Viduka.
He wouldn't have gotten in the team unless it was played Bellamy-Viduka. Any other pool striker and Viduka combination wouldn't have worked.
And Rafa doesn't like players who don't contribute to the team one way or another - Viduka is a target man and is lazy as well.
To recap: Viduka is a better striker and no, he wouldn't have played in last year's liverpool XI.
So Viduka is a better fnisher, thus a better striker than all of them.
Viduka however wouldn't have gotten in the Liverpool XI last year, because he has no pace. Neither does Crouch but wins headers, Bellamy is pacier and Kuyt contributes more to the overall game and is faster than Viduka.
He wouldn't have gotten in the team unless it was played Bellamy-Viduka. Any other pool striker and Viduka combination wouldn't have worked.
And Rafa doesn't like players who don't contribute to the team one way or another - Viduka is a target man and is lazy as well.
To recap: Viduka is a better striker and no, he wouldn't have played in last year's liverpool XI.
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Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Kimbo wrote:I think age is the big factor here tbh, Luis is too young to have seen Viduka at Leeds and the only time he watches Boro is when they play Liverpool. He doesn't realise Viduka is one of the most talented strikers there has been in the premiership, certainly top 10 IMO.
totally agree.
Viduka at Leeds was one of the best strikers in the world for about two seasons to be honest - he was unplayable.
If he'd been English he'd probably have been valued at around £30m around that time
That was in the fucking past, jesus, Fowler is the best striker in the premiership then if we're going on the past
Viduka even this season was better than any of your strikers!
All he's lost is a bit of pace, apart from that he's still class.
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Kimbo wrote:Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Kimbo wrote:I think age is the big factor here tbh, Luis is too young to have seen Viduka at Leeds and the only time he watches Boro is when they play Liverpool. He doesn't realise Viduka is one of the most talented strikers there has been in the premiership, certainly top 10 IMO.
totally agree.
Viduka at Leeds was one of the best strikers in the world for about two seasons to be honest - he was unplayable.
If he'd been English he'd probably have been valued at around £30m around that time
That was in the fucking past, jesus, Fowler is the best striker in the premiership then if we're going on the past
The talent is still there though, this season has proved that. He's just slower than he used to be, he's still strong, a great finisher, clever, and has great technique.
I said he was a good player
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Tweedle wrote:Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Kimbo wrote:I think age is the big factor here tbh, Luis is too young to have seen Viduka at Leeds and the only time he watches Boro is when they play Liverpool. He doesn't realise Viduka is one of the most talented strikers there has been in the premiership, certainly top 10 IMO.
totally agree.
Viduka at Leeds was one of the best strikers in the world for about two seasons to be honest - he was unplayable.
If he'd been English he'd probably have been valued at around £30m around that time
That was in the fucking past, jesus, Fowler is the best striker in the premiership then if we're going on the past
Viduka even this season was better than any of your strikers!
All he's lost is a bit of pace, apart from that he's still class.
And yours for that matter, would I rather have Kuyt or Viduka going into next season? 100% Kuyt
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You said that he wasn't as good as any of your strikers luis, that's what you said.
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I just founf this on youtube, it's him scoring 4 goals against Pool. The 3rd one is great. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyx8GDQbhbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyx8GDQbhbQ
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Tweedle wrote:You said that he wasn't as good as any of your strikers luis, that's what you said.
I'd rather have him than Bellamy if it's the Bellamy we've been seeing this season.
Crouch and Kuyt I'd rather have, and that's my own opinion, if you disagree fine, but I think I'll be proven right next season
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Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Kimbo wrote:I think age is the big factor here tbh, Luis is too young to have seen Viduka at Leeds and the only time he watches Boro is when they play Liverpool. He doesn't realise Viduka is one of the most talented strikers there has been in the premiership, certainly top 10 IMO.
totally agree.
Viduka at Leeds was one of the best strikers in the world for about two seasons to be honest - he was unplayable.
If he'd been English he'd probably have been valued at around £30m around that time
That was in the fucking past, jesus, Fowler is the best striker in the premiership then if we're going on the past
Viduka even this season was better than any of your strikers!
All he's lost is a bit of pace, apart from that he's still class.
And yours for that matter, would I rather have Kuyt or Viduka going into next season? 100% Kuyt
He wouldn't get into our first team.
Both RVP and Henry ARE better than him
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Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Pathetic, and if Viduka was coming to liverpool you'd all say he was too old, fat, slow what ever, so I'm done with this stupid debate
Pathetic, and if Viduka was coming to liverpool you'd all say he was too old, fat, slow what ever, so I'm done with this stupid debate
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Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Pathetic, and if Viduka was coming to liverpool you'd all say he was too old, fat, slow what ever, so I'm done with this stupid debate
RVP scored 11 goals in 17 games this season lulu - as a goals per game ration thats pretty impressive.
He also has the class that Viduka as with the ball at his feet, which none of the Liverpool players have
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I agree with both of you Kuyt+RVP= 
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Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Pathetic, and if Viduka was coming to liverpool you'd all say he was too old, fat, slow what ever, so I'm done with this stupid debate
you are not seriously saying ud rather have kuyt over RVP?
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RVP > Kuyt
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Martin O'Neill has enquired about Reo-Coker but wants us to drop the £9m asking price...and is prepared to pay £7m.
Fair play to him...I hope he bids it and we accept it.
Fair play to him...I hope he bids it and we accept it.
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£7m for an average player that's a twat and doesn't want to play for you is a superb deal!
Who is reporting this?
Who is reporting this?
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Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Martin O'Neill has enquired about Reo-Coker but wants us to drop the £9m asking price...and is prepared to pay £7m.
Fair play to him...I hope he bids it and we accept it.
So do i, then all we'd need is Everton to go in for Barton.
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where's that from?Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Martin O'Neill has enquired about Reo-Coker but wants us to drop the £9m asking price...and is prepared to pay £7m.
Fair play to him...I hope he bids it and we accept it.
he wouldn't be a bad signing, if he could get back to how he was season before last
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Kimbo wrote:Luis wrote:For someone who criticises my contribution to this board Kimbo it's quite funny to see you reduced to nonesense
The stats back me up, the only thing you've got is bias. Viduka has huge talent, you would see that if you watched teams outside of Liverpool.
it is a bit like saying fowler should have started for us all season because he was the best striker at the club kimbo
moments of inspiration combined with minimal effort are not really much use. crouch and kuyt both offer more than him at present so it's fair to say he would not currently get in our starting lineup. as a third/fourth choice (voronin type) striker I would be very happy to have had him though.
he'll go down as a bit of a wasted talent
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Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Are you for real?
RVP has been injured for half the season...
You do watch football outise liverpool don't you?
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Kevin mk 2 wrote:Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Are you for real?
RVP has been injured for half the season...
You do watch football outise liverpool don't you?
End of the day, people were only taking goals into consideration with Viduka and Kuyt so I did the same with RVP and Kuyt, and for the 10th time it was Kuyt's first season in the premiership, 12 premiership goals and a European cup final goal isn't too bad for a first season
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Luis wrote:Kevin mk 2 wrote:Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Are you for real?
RVP has been injured for half the season...
You do watch football outise liverpool don't you?
End of the day, people were only taking goals into consideration with Viduka and Kuyt so I did the same with RVP and Kuyt, and for the 10th time it was Kuyt's first season in the premiership, 12 premiership goals and a European cup final goal isn't too bad for a first season
Viduka played less goals than Kuyt, in a worse team AND scored more!
Kuyt certainly isn't a bad player, he's very good in fact. But Viduka is also a good player - equal to or better (at present) than Kuyt
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Tweedle wrote:Luis wrote:Kevin mk 2 wrote:Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Are you for real?
RVP has been injured for half the season...
You do watch football outise liverpool don't you?
End of the day, people were only taking goals into consideration with Viduka and Kuyt so I did the same with RVP and Kuyt, and for the 10th time it was Kuyt's first season in the premiership, 12 premiership goals and a European cup final goal isn't too bad for a first season
Viduka played less goals than Kuyt, in a worse team AND scored more!
Kuyt certainly isn't a bad player, he's very good in fact. But Viduka is also a good player - equal to or better (at present) than Kuyt
I could again turn round and just use the fowler argument
he had the best goals per game ratio at the club last year but was he more beneficial to the team when he played than kuyt.
of course not
I doubt many if any of the top clubs managers would put any faith in viduka as their main striker as kimmy suggests
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Because of his age. It's not like Viduka's all round play was as bad as Fowler's was it.
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Parks lives wrote:Because of his age. It's not like Viduka's all round play was as bad as Fowler's was it.
But this is the main point invalidating kimbo's argument
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At the end of the day Park, are you telling me if Rooney got injured for the whole season and you were offered Kuyt or Viduka you would take Viduka?
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For one season, I'd take Viduka
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Luis wrote:At the end of the day Park, are you telling me if Rooney got injured for the whole season and you were offered Kuyt or Viduka you would take Viduka?
I'd take Kuyt but thats because Kuyt plays a similar role.
Now if Saha was injured (when isn't he
) and I had the choice I'd pick Viduka.
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Luis wrote:Kevin mk 2 wrote:Luis wrote:Kuyt has scored more than RVP though, so how does that work
Are you for real?
RVP has been injured for half the season...
You do watch football outise liverpool don't you?
End of the day, people were only taking goals into consideration with Viduka and Kuyt so I did the same with RVP and Kuyt, and for the 10th time it was Kuyt's first season in the premiership, 12 premiership goals and a European cup final goal isn't too bad for a first season
Well in that case, Fredrick Kanoute is better than both Villa and Eto'o.
