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In Serie B. Only coz Treze was injured most of the season. DP did score am impressive 18 open goals, but Treze got 15 in many less games...

This is not a critique of DP, its just the role he plays... Treze is the goal scorer, DP is teh support striker.... you don't play your support striker as the lone forward... its like Inter playing Ibra as the lone striker, it will just not work!

Luis wrote:Del Piero was top scorer for Juve last season though

Don't be silly. Just stating the obvious, without any critique of the player...

Just like it will be silly for Ibra to play as the lone striker for Inter... does not mean Ibra is bad, just means that he is not the lone striker material.

You probably think DP is the best player in all positions, he is not.

TarunDang wrote:

Luis wrote:Del Piero was top scorer for Juve last season though

Well that was Bluenine's trademark contempt for DP & whatever success he has achieved at whatever levels he has played
Bluenine...is it just because he plays for Juve??

bluenine wrote:Don't be silly. Just stating the obvious, without any critique of the player...

Just like it will be silly for Ibra to play as the lone striker for Inter... does not mean Ibra is bad, just means that he is not the lone striker material.

You probably think DP is the best player in all positions, he is not.

TarunDang wrote:

Luis wrote:Del Piero was top scorer for Juve last season though

Well that was Bluenine's trademark contempt for DP & whatever success he has achieved at whatever levels he has played
Bluenine...is it just because he plays for Juve??

Even though you make a little bit of sense here, your contempt is shining through in your words
btw you need to check DP's goal scoring record for more enlightenment.He does score regularly as other main strikers would do. And if there is such a formation possible it can work wonderfully because all the supporting midfielders are attacking in nature & can score as well...something like Milan's Kaka & Seedorf

I guess than we both are hoping for the same thing... seeing DP playing as the lone striker for Juve

Doubt it will ever happen tho!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Don't be silly. Just stating the obvious, without any critique of the player...

Just like it will be silly for Ibra to play as the lone striker for Inter... does not mean Ibra is bad, just means that he is not the lone striker material.

You probably think DP is the best player in all positions, he is not.

TarunDang wrote:

Luis wrote:Del Piero was top scorer for Juve last season though

Well that was Bluenine's trademark contempt for DP & whatever success he has achieved at whatever levels he has played
Bluenine...is it just because he plays for Juve??

Even though you make a little bit of sense here, your contempt is shining through in your words
btw you need to check DP's goal scoring record for more enlightenment.He does score regularly as other main strikers would do. And if there is such a formation possible it can work wonderfully because all the supporting midfielders are attacking in nature & can score as well...something like Milan's Kaka & Seedorf

Agreed that the possibility of Juve playing this formation is unlikely, but the point in contention was your statement that DP is not a regular scorer. Well he is...even though he plays the supporting strikers role or the playmaker but he is regularly on the score-sheet

bluenine wrote:I guess than we both are hoping for the same thing... seeing DP playing as the lone striker for Juve

Doubt it will ever happen tho!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Don't be silly. Just stating the obvious, without any critique of the player...

Just like it will be silly for Ibra to play as the lone striker for Inter... does not mean Ibra is bad, just means that he is not the lone striker material.

You probably think DP is the best player in all positions, he is not.

TarunDang wrote:

Luis wrote:Del Piero was top scorer for Juve last season though

Well that was Bluenine's trademark contempt for DP & whatever success he has achieved at whatever levels he has played
Bluenine...is it just because he plays for Juve??

Even though you make a little bit of sense here, your contempt is shining through in your words
btw you need to check DP's goal scoring record for more enlightenment.He does score regularly as other main strikers would do. And if there is such a formation possible it can work wonderfully because all the supporting midfielders are attacking in nature & can score as well...something like Milan's Kaka & Seedorf

Among the top ten goalscorers for Italy, DP has the WORST goals per game ratio. 0.32 goals per game played, thats not lone striker material. Thats what I was refering to.

Even for Juventus, its 0.42 which is ok, but nothing to talk home about considering DP takes all the penalties and a lions share of teh free kicks.

TarunDang wrote:Agreed that the possibility of Juve playing this formation is unlikely, but the point in contention was your statement that DP is not a regular scorer. Well he is...even though he plays the supporting strikers role or the playmaker but he is regularly on the score-sheet

im a juve fan and i agree with blue9: delps isnt strong or quick enough to play upfront alone and is far better suited to being a number 10.
Juve should play a tight 3 in midfield with Roman (please please) in front of them with delps and 1 other upfront.
VDV can join too, i dont mind.

bluenine wrote:Among the top ten goalscorers for Italy, DP has the WORST goals per game ratio. 0.32 goals per game played, thats not lone striker material. Thats what I was refering to.

Even for Juventus, its 0.42 which is ok, but nothing to talk home about considering DP takes all the penalties and a lions share of teh free kicks.

TarunDang wrote:Agreed that the possibility of Juve playing this formation is unlikely, but the point in contention was your statement that DP is not a regular scorer. Well he is...even though he plays the supporting strikers role or the playmaker but he is regularly on the score-sheet

You mentioned that for Juve DP's ratio is 0.42, then what is Trezeguet's?
Just curious

Trezeguet:
For France: 0.50
For Juventus: 0.64

This is without being the main man for penalties or fks! This is more like someone who can play lone striker!!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Among the top ten goalscorers for Italy, DP has the WORST goals per game ratio. 0.32 goals per game played, thats not lone striker material. Thats what I was refering to.

Even for Juventus, its 0.42 which is ok, but nothing to talk home about considering DP takes all the penalties and a lions share of teh free kicks.

TarunDang wrote:Agreed that the possibility of Juve playing this formation is unlikely, but the point in contention was your statement that DP is not a regular scorer. Well he is...even though he plays the supporting strikers role or the playmaker but he is regularly on the score-sheet

You mentioned that for Juve DP's ratio is 0.42, then what is Trezeguet's?
Just curious

Is a scoring record in Serie B really worthy of comparison?

Surely its more worthwhile to look at his scoring record in the 5 or so seasons in Serie A previous to that (even if Juve were bribing their way through the game at the time)

Stats only go sar far, I wish there was a stat for ever goal Trez scored which was an "unmissable", set up by Delps.

Waft, you are just proving my point... that DP is a support striker, not the main goal scorer... hence not the best choice for the lone striker role...

a polluted stream is man wrote:Stats only go sar far, I wish there was a stat for ever goal Trez scored which was an "unmissable", set up by Delps.

bluenine wrote:Waft, you are just proving my point... that DP is a support striker, not the main goal scorer... hence not the best choice for the lone striker role...

a polluted stream is man wrote:Stats only go sar far, I wish there was a stat for ever goal Trez scored which was an "unmissable", set up by Delps.

You have a point there bluenine...he has been the best as a support striker & has been the provider as well apart from scoring(he is not that far away from Trez in total goals scored). His creativity & dribbling prowress is best utilized in that role. But I still believe that he can be just as good in the lone strikers role if given a chance considering the talent he is

Assuming both of them are actually bought, how will you play Van Der Vaart AND Riquelme in the same team? They play in the same playmaker position if I am not really mistaken.... can you really utilize both to the best of their abilities? That is assuming you will want to push VDV to the left and get Roman as the playmaker...

Also, to have Roman, brilliant as he is, in the team, you have to have him as the playmaker, he cannot play as anything else ... and you will have to play his style of game i.e. slowly building a move etc etc. Will Juve want to do that? Fine for a Villarreal, but is it fine for a Juve?

Just to add to that, I think Roman is suspect against teams which don't allow space... Serie A, specially lower half teams, are notorious for that. I think La Liga suits Roman's game more than Serie A.

godof86 wrote:Assuming both of them are actually bought, how will you play Van Der Vaart AND Riquelme in the same team? They play in the same playmaker position if I am not really mistaken.... can you really utilize both to the best of their abilities? That is assuming you will want to push VDV to the left and get Roman as the playmaker...

Also, to have Roman, brilliant as he is, in the team, you have to have him as the playmaker, he cannot play as anything else ... and you will have to play his style of game i.e. slowly building a move etc etc. Will Juve want to do that? Fine for a Villarreal, but is it fine for a Juve?

Italian duo want Bellamy
Monday 18 June, 2007
Reports in the British Press suggest that Juventus and Roma are keen on signing Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy.

The Bianconeri are looking to strengthen their attacking department in view of David Trezeguet’s likely departure and Coach Claudio Ranieri has eyed the 27-year-old, as the Merseysiders seem willing to listen to offers.

The Guardian reports that Bellamy’s future at Liverpool is uncertain and Ranieri has already made enquiries about his availability, even if the player stated that he wanted to remain at the club.

The striker is valued at £12m by the Reds and Juventus are allegedly willing to offer up to £10m for his services, although Roma could also join the race to sign the Welsh international.

Coach Rafa Benitez hopes to include winger Amantino Mancini in the operation which could take Bellamy to Serie A.

The Spanish tactician was unimpressed with Bellamy’s performances after his move last summer, as confirmed by the fact that he was excluded from the Champions League Final in Athens.

His behaviour off the pitch was also controversial and he was involved in a tussle with teammate John Arne Riise before the Champions League match with Barcelona, when he threatened him with a golf club.

West Ham, Aston Villa and Blackburn have all been linked with the forward, who scored nine goals in 42 appearances this year, but appear to have been put off by Liverpool's asking price.

I actually hope this is true.... Bellamy for Treze would make Juve so much weaker... and Bellamy for Mancini will do the same for Roma

TarunDang wrote:Italian duo want Bellamy
Monday 18 June, 2007
Reports in the British Press suggest that Juventus and Roma are keen on signing Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy.

The Bianconeri are looking to strengthen their attacking department in view of David Trezeguet’s likely departure and Coach Claudio Ranieri has eyed the 27-year-old, as the Merseysiders seem willing to listen to offers.

The Guardian reports that Bellamy’s future at Liverpool is uncertain and Ranieri has already made enquiries about his availability, even if the player stated that he wanted to remain at the club.

The striker is valued at £12m by the Reds and Juventus are allegedly willing to offer up to £10m for his services, although Roma could also join the race to sign the Welsh international.

Coach Rafa Benitez hopes to include winger Amantino Mancini in the operation which could take Bellamy to Serie A.

The Spanish tactician was unimpressed with Bellamy’s performances after his move last summer, as confirmed by the fact that he was excluded from the Champions League Final in Athens.

His behaviour off the pitch was also controversial and he was involved in a tussle with teammate John Arne Riise before the Champions League match with Barcelona, when he threatened him with a golf club.

West Ham, Aston Villa and Blackburn have all been linked with the forward, who scored nine goals in 42 appearances this year, but appear to have been put off by Liverpool's asking price.

bluenine wrote:I actually hope this is true.... Bellamy for Treze would make Juve so much weaker... and Bellamy for Mancini will do the same for Roma

TarunDang wrote:Italian duo want Bellamy
Monday 18 June, 2007
Reports in the British Press suggest that Juventus and Roma are keen on signing Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy.

The Bianconeri are looking to strengthen their attacking department in view of David Trezeguet’s likely departure and Coach Claudio Ranieri has eyed the 27-year-old, as the Merseysiders seem willing to listen to offers.

The Guardian reports that Bellamy’s future at Liverpool is uncertain and Ranieri has already made enquiries about his availability, even if the player stated that he wanted to remain at the club.

The striker is valued at £12m by the Reds and Juventus are allegedly willing to offer up to £10m for his services, although Roma could also join the race to sign the Welsh international.

Coach Rafa Benitez hopes to include winger Amantino Mancini in the operation which could take Bellamy to Serie A.

The Spanish tactician was unimpressed with Bellamy’s performances after his move last summer, as confirmed by the fact that he was excluded from the Champions League Final in Athens.

His behaviour off the pitch was also controversial and he was involved in a tussle with teammate John Arne Riise before the Champions League match with Barcelona, when he threatened him with a golf club.

West Ham, Aston Villa and Blackburn have all been linked with the forward, who scored nine goals in 42 appearances this year, but appear to have been put off by Liverpool's asking price.

Did you think the same when you gave Cannavaro to Juventus in exchange for Carini

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually hope this is true.... Bellamy for Treze would make Juve so much weaker... and Bellamy for Mancini will do the same for Roma

TarunDang wrote:Italian duo want Bellamy
Monday 18 June, 2007
Reports in the British Press suggest that Juventus and Roma are keen on signing Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy.

The Bianconeri are looking to strengthen their attacking department in view of David Trezeguet’s likely departure and Coach Claudio Ranieri has eyed the 27-year-old, as the Merseysiders seem willing to listen to offers.

The Guardian reports that Bellamy’s future at Liverpool is uncertain and Ranieri has already made enquiries about his availability, even if the player stated that he wanted to remain at the club.

The striker is valued at £12m by the Reds and Juventus are allegedly willing to offer up to £10m for his services, although Roma could also join the race to sign the Welsh international.

Coach Rafa Benitez hopes to include winger Amantino Mancini in the operation which could take Bellamy to Serie A.

The Spanish tactician was unimpressed with Bellamy’s performances after his move last summer, as confirmed by the fact that he was excluded from the Champions League Final in Athens.

His behaviour off the pitch was also controversial and he was involved in a tussle with teammate John Arne Riise before the Champions League match with Barcelona, when he threatened him with a golf club.

West Ham, Aston Villa and Blackburn have all been linked with the forward, who scored nine goals in 42 appearances this year, but appear to have been put off by Liverpool's asking price.

Did you think the same when you gave Cannavaro to Juventus in exchange for Carini

Don't forget Roberto Carlos for Pistone.

Moratti is no transfer guru.

And Bellamy is no Cannavaro!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually hope this is true.... Bellamy for Treze would make Juve so much weaker... and Bellamy for Mancini will do the same for Roma

TarunDang wrote:Italian duo want Bellamy
Monday 18 June, 2007
Reports in the British Press suggest that Juventus and Roma are keen on signing Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy.

The Bianconeri are looking to strengthen their attacking department in view of David Trezeguet’s likely departure and Coach Claudio Ranieri has eyed the 27-year-old, as the Merseysiders seem willing to listen to offers.

The Guardian reports that Bellamy’s future at Liverpool is uncertain and Ranieri has already made enquiries about his availability, even if the player stated that he wanted to remain at the club.

The striker is valued at £12m by the Reds and Juventus are allegedly willing to offer up to £10m for his services, although Roma could also join the race to sign the Welsh international.

Coach Rafa Benitez hopes to include winger Amantino Mancini in the operation which could take Bellamy to Serie A.

The Spanish tactician was unimpressed with Bellamy’s performances after his move last summer, as confirmed by the fact that he was excluded from the Champions League Final in Athens.

His behaviour off the pitch was also controversial and he was involved in a tussle with teammate John Arne Riise before the Champions League match with Barcelona, when he threatened him with a golf club.

West Ham, Aston Villa and Blackburn have all been linked with the forward, who scored nine goals in 42 appearances this year, but appear to have been put off by Liverpool's asking price.

Did you think the same when you gave Cannavaro to Juventus in exchange for Carini

Exactly. Had you known Canna would turn out to be one of the best defenders today, Inter would not have sold him.
So how do you know what Bellamy would turn out to be?

bluenine wrote:

Moratti is no transfer guru.

And Bellamy is no Cannavaro!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually hope this is true.... Bellamy for Treze would make Juve so much weaker... and Bellamy for Mancini will do the same for Roma

TarunDang wrote:Italian duo want Bellamy
Monday 18 June, 2007
Reports in the British Press suggest that Juventus and Roma are keen on signing Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy.

The Bianconeri are looking to strengthen their attacking department in view of David Trezeguet’s likely departure and Coach Claudio Ranieri has eyed the 27-year-old, as the Merseysiders seem willing to listen to offers.

The Guardian reports that Bellamy’s future at Liverpool is uncertain and Ranieri has already made enquiries about his availability, even if the player stated that he wanted to remain at the club.

The striker is valued at £12m by the Reds and Juventus are allegedly willing to offer up to £10m for his services, although Roma could also join the race to sign the Welsh international.

Coach Rafa Benitez hopes to include winger Amantino Mancini in the operation which could take Bellamy to Serie A.

The Spanish tactician was unimpressed with Bellamy’s performances after his move last summer, as confirmed by the fact that he was excluded from the Champions League Final in Athens.

His behaviour off the pitch was also controversial and he was involved in a tussle with teammate John Arne Riise before the Champions League match with Barcelona, when he threatened him with a golf club.

West Ham, Aston Villa and Blackburn have all been linked with the forward, who scored nine goals in 42 appearances this year, but appear to have been put off by Liverpool's asking price.

Did you think the same when you gave Cannavaro to Juventus in exchange for Carini

Juventus sign Iaquinta – official
Tuesday 19 June, 2007
Serie B champions Juventus have completed their expected swoop for Udinese striker Vincenzo Iaquinta.

The 27-year-old has been linked with the Turin giants for some time and has today completed an £8m move.

"I believe that I am the right age to realise this dream,” said the World Cup winner. “I like pressure and I cannot wait to start this new adventure.

"I have grown up year-on-year and after seven seasons in Udine the moment has arrived to make a jump in quality.

“I now need to test myself with a challenge that only a great club like Juventus can offer, in Italy and in Europe.”

Iaquinta, who has signed a five-year contract in Turin, scored 14 goals in Serie A last term and may have been brought in to replace David Trezeguet at the club.

“He is an important player, another World Cup winner who will help to write history at this club,” noted Juventus director general Jean-Claude Blanc.

“He is a professional who we welcome and a player who will add experience and quality to a squad which is enthusiastically hoping to offer fans the satisfaction they deserve.

“There is no doubt that this is another forward step in making a competitive squad on our return to Serie A.”

Born in November 1979, Iaquinta arrives after his development at the Stadio Friuli. He has also enjoyed spells at Padova and Castel di Sangro.

Juventus are also reportedly close to signing Empoli midfielder Sergio Almiron and Gabriel Milito from Real Zaragoza.

Actually, when we sold him, we already knew he was one of the best defenders on the planet... he was just $h!t for Inter...

I actually was not against selling Cannavaro - coz Cordoba was very similar and doing a much better job... what I was so against was to sell him to Juventus - that was so silly.

TarunDang wrote:Exactly. Had you known Canna would turn out to be one of the best defenders today, Inter would not have sold him.
So how do you know what Bellamy would turn out to be?

So are you guys hearing about Antunes in Italy at all?
He's the LB currently with the Sub-21 squad, should be at the Sub-20 championship with Portugal.

I heard that its a done deal... juve have bought him.. dunno why, coz Juve's LB is also an U21 player... Chiellini is so young, why buy another kid as a backup??

Luso wrote:So are you guys hearing about Antunes in Italy at all?
He's the LB currently with the Sub-21 squad, should be at the Sub-20 championship with Portugal.

Who says he'll be backup?

That said, I think it's a stupid decision by this kid. He'll end up back in Portugal in no time playing for...well the same club he's at now cause no one else will want him.

Sporting would've been a much better club for him, or any other top club in Portugal.

Even Braga would've been a good move...

Chiellini is the Azzurrini captain, and has been a regular for Juve since Zambrotta left!! So yeah, Chiellini will start as the main LB for Juve, or at least quite definately over Antunes in the pecking order...

Unless Antunes can impress Ranieri more in teh few chances that he gets... it was probably a mistake to join juve at this stage... its always better to join clubs like juve when you have made your mark in europe.

Luso wrote:Who says he'll be backup?

That said, I think it's a stupid decision by this kid. He'll end up back in Portugal in no time playing for...well the same club he's at now cause no one else will want him.

Sporting would've been a much better club for him, or any other top club in Portugal.

Even Braga would've been a good move...

Oh, like I've said it's a bad move...and I really don't expect him to stick around...but that said, I'll give him a chance against another Sub-21.

He just broke into the Portuguese squad, but Sub-21 vs. Sub-21 I'm not giving the Italian kid any advantage just because he's captain.

If Antunes proves himself in training he'll get his go won't he? They couldn't have bought him just to be on the bench...

Juve want to keep Trez Tuesday 19 June, 2007

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President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli insists that Juventus will do all they can to keep striker David Trezeguet at the club.

The Frenchman is contracted to the Old Lady until 2008, but did make it clear that he was heading out of the club after scoring in the last match of the season against Spezia.

However, the Turin giants are hopeful that they can convince the forward to accept their new contract offer.

“We want to keep him here and I believe we can find an agreement,” said Cobolli Gigli on Tuesday afternoon.

“Obviously we need the player to show his availability to discuss things with us. Nevertheless, our objective is to keep him.”

Reports suggest that the former Monaco man is a serious transfer target for Valencia, whose sporting director Amedeo Carboni allegedly contacted Trezeguet’s representatives recently.

“We are doing all we can to solve this issue and this is also true for Mauro Camoranesi, whose future will be clear in the next three or four weeks,” added the Bianconeri chief.

Cobolli Gigli also confirmed reports that Empoli star Sergio Almiron is close to joining the Bianconeri after Vincenzo Iaquinta completed his move today.

“I hope we will be able to officially announce his capture at some stage next week,” continued the official.

In the meantime, Juventus have today received a £72m cash boost via an increase in capital which had been voted for in April.

“We are pleased with this fact,” noted the President. “It is vital for us because it allows us to make important plans for our transfer campaign.”

Chiellini is good, but if Antunes plays better, he will get his chance. And if he can play on the right, then the chances are brighter coz Zebina is Cr@p.

Luso wrote:Oh, like I've said it's a bad move...and I really don't expect him to stick around...but that said, I'll give him a chance against another Sub-21.

He just broke into the Portuguese squad, but Sub-21 vs. Sub-21 I'm not giving the Italian kid any advantage just because he's captain.

If Antunes proves himself in training he'll get his go won't he? They couldn't have bought him just to be on the bench...