Wayne Rooney

TeamSpirit wrote:

Obispo wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Obispo wrote:You know full well that I meant all his goals come in bursts Twoddle.

Compare their international stats

I'll sidestep that question - Rooney's goals have come in bursts this season but its not true of previous seasons - he does also have a bit more skill than Adriano - who if he was english would be described as a hoof-n-run type player that relies purely on his physical attributes

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*shall leave this one to TS*

Gladly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXCMCRdYRtk

shit...didnt even score.

Has he improved upon last season?

nope he is currently in terminal decline. coleen will soon be the biggest star in the family

Has this really been that bad a season for him?

despite united being on the tele every single week ive only seen him play well about three times. to be part of a dominant and free scoring team and still produce so many ineffectual performances (as confessed by many man u fans) is hardly impressive

Is he better than Podolski?

as a striker he doesn't even come close

And is he nearing the infamous 'world class' bracket?

he was a lot closer 3 years ago.

now he is just a struggling superstar failing to produce anywhere near the level of hype he recieves

Dear me Cotr, I hope they aren't honest views

we all know Cotr is the biggest WUM on here.

Luis wrote: Dear me Cotr, I hope they aren't honest views

borocooper wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

Obispo wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Obispo wrote:You know full well that I meant all his goals come in bursts Twoddle.

Compare their international stats

I'll sidestep that question - Rooney's goals have come in bursts this season but its not true of previous seasons - he does also have a bit more skill than Adriano - who if he was english would be described as a hoof-n-run type player that relies purely on his physical attributes

...

*shall leave this one to TS*

Gladly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXCMCRdYRtk

shit...didnt even score.

Exactly - showboating is fun to watch but it isn't all encompassing of 'skill' - would have been more worthwhile posting his goals aginst Udinese from three years ago

borocooper wrote:we all know Cotr is the biggest WUM on here.

you know deep down it's all true

15 goals 13 assists suggests Cotr is on a Wind Up. Being top assist maker and 2nd top scorer look pretty integral to United's success this season to me.

Wayne Rooney has been nothing but good this season, commitment has always been there despite at times been forced to play in a much wider role rather than in hes preferred role as a central striker (when he is .. he can be devastating like he was against Bolton)

Alan Shearer must be disappointed that he and Ronaldo have been linking up well this season ...

The only worry is .. in Europe he has not been doing the business, due to the 'dreaded' 4-5-1 formation, if SAF sticks to hes tried and tested 4-4-2, we can see some assists and goals .. the same could be said for Ronaldo, he has years ahead of him .. lets don't judge him because of the 'media hype' he is not World Class yet (the English tabloids want him to be or he is already). Also he needs to be more consistent .. only time can help, sort this issue out .. we have a top player.

COTR wrote:

Has he improved upon last season?

nope he is currently in terminal decline. coleen will soon be the biggest star in the family

Has this really been that bad a season for him?

despite united being on the tele every single week ive only seen him play well about three times. to be part of a dominant and free scoring team and still produce so many ineffectual performances (as confessed by many man u fans) is hardly impressive

Is he better than Podolski?

as a striker he doesn't even come close

And is he nearing the infamous 'world class' bracket?

he was a lot closer 3 years ago.

now he is just a struggling superstar failing to produce anywhere near the level of hype he recieves

I know you are never going to praise Rooney, thus I have ignored most of it, but I couldnt ignore the Podolski bit, he has 3/4 goals in the German league (which is alot weaker than the prem) thats horrendous for a striker Vidic has scored just as much.

PS how would you compare him with the pool strikers?

Rez wrote:
PS how would you compare him with the pool strikers?

5 choice at present. 11th choice next season when Garcia and Kewell return to fitness and Cisse, Pongolle and Le Tallec come back from loan. Currently he's probably on par with Besien Idrizaj.

Actually, make him 13th choice. Lindfield and Brouwer will be ahead of him by next year. Maybe El Zhar too.

He'd probably be the 11th-14th best striker on our books.

sorry maybe I made that too complicated

has he improved on last season

NOPE

has this really been a bad season for him

Expectation wise Yes. he was united's best player last year. this year he has gone backwards and been inconsistent while he is still outclassed in europe and for england

is he a better player than podolski?

YES

is he a more dangerous striker than podolski?

NO

is he nearing the world class bracket

Well the only possible answer here is no



No windup from me

Im Kind Of A Big Deal wrote:15 goals 13 assists suggests Cotr is on a Wind Up. Being top assist maker and 2nd top scorer look pretty integral to United's success this season to me.

And only 21...

He has the potential i feel to score 25 goals a season and make 25 goals.

Obispo wrote:

Rez wrote:
PS how would you compare him with the pool strikers?

5 choice at present. 11th choice next season when Garcia and Kewell return to fitness and Cisse, Pongolle and Le Tallec come back from loan. Currently he's probably on par with Besien Idrizaj.

Actually, make him 13th choice. Lindfield and Brouwer will be ahead of him by next year. Maybe El Zhar too.

He'd probably be the 11th-14th best striker on our books.

You are being too kind, I reckon he is only ball boy material.

Rez wrote:

Obispo wrote:

Rez wrote:
PS how would you compare him with the pool strikers?

5 choice at present. 11th choice next season when Garcia and Kewell return to fitness and Cisse, Pongolle and Le Tallec come back from loan. Currently he's probably on par with Besien Idrizaj.

Actually, make him 13th choice. Lindfield and Brouwer will be ahead of him by next year. Maybe El Zhar too.

He'd probably be the 11th-14th best striker on our books.

You are being too kind, I reckon he is only ball boy material.

If his Joga Bonito advert is anything to go by, I don't think he's got the hands to catch any balls that go out to touch.

Maybe he could lay out the kit or something instead.

Speaking of footie ads.


How shite and corny is beckham's new one which is on every ad break

And at the moment he is better then Poldi , I watch them every week.

Roooney is a very fine player but -for a change- the english media have hyped him to such a point where if he doesnt perform miracles week in, week out then he is going to seem like a disappointment.

Like most english players his technical skills do not compare well to 'latino' stars such as C ronaldo, Messi or Aguero and this is what will stop him ever being truely world-class. Too often rooney gives the ball away with a sloppy touch when ther likes of Kaka never give it away simply. Also for a 'number 10', which is what Rooney really is, he lacks flair... how often does Rooney dribble past a couple of players or do a fantastic turn to take his marker out of the game?? not often enough is the answer.
I have no problem with his goal return and certainly not with his commitment and it seems like the guy keeps himself to himself off the pitch: how often is rooney seen stumbling out of a posh nightclub at 3am?? not often.

all in all wayne is a very good player just not a great one... unlike his team mate Ronnie who will take spain by storm next year!

@ ih8gerrard

Rooney doesn't lack flair, its just that he doesn't rely on it as one of the main assets of his game - comparing him to Ronaldo is like saying that Zidane can never be world class because he doesn't have the pace of Kaka.

tweedle... i dont agree. But maybe u kinda misunderstand what i mean... i'm not saying he doesnt have flair, just that he doesnt have as much of it as a truely great player should have,imo.
HOw often does Rooney really run a Champions league match? not often when ive watched them play... he doesnt seem to be able to unlock top class defences when it really matters.
also ur analagy doesnt really work: Zidane was the finest technical player since Maradona (not as good though) and his amazing ability with the ball at his feet made up for his lack of pace, which is an area where a player like Kaka does have the edge over him. But... Ronaldo has better technique to go with his greater speed too so therefore he is the better all round player than Rooney.

Ok, I take you point but he's only 21. At the age of 21 players like Zidane, Cantona, Effenberg etc... weren't anywhere near as good as Rooney.

You're right, he hasn't dominated any CL games but I can't think of many 21 year olds that have; only Del Piero, Ronaldo (bra) and Messi come to mind and even then, they were in teams surrounded by world class players to help them out - at Utd Rooney is expected to be the main creative force alng with Ronaldo - who goes as missing in many CL games as Rooney.

The fact that a player like ronaldo isn't even as good in Europe makes you think that maybe SAF should just adopt his EPL tactics in Europe

yeah i got a theory about rooney being only 21...
did you ever have them kids at school that looked like they were 22 when they were 14? You know, beard at 13, chucking the discus 4x as far as everyone else and ud never fight the cunt becuase he would kill ya? Well i had one in my year at school -great big inbred farmer, no brains but biseps like a bison on steroids. Well... my point is: I think Rooney is one of those freaks of nature. He is going bald after all at 21! He was build like a brick-shit house and had a full beard at 16! So by the time Wayne is 25 his body is going to be actually about 35 and he will be fucked. (also he will have been playing for nearly 10 years by then and with his physical style he is going to maybe be having Raul-style burnout.) So maybe rooney doesnt have that many years left to improve after all...

still England's best striker by a country-mile though

People don't age too quickly unless they have that disease which makes them appear 70 whe they're actually ten.

The point you should be angling your comment at is the fact that he is physcially developed now and on't get any stronger/faster -this isn't a problem though as he's physically world class.

Technically he is also good, what sometimes lets him down though is his decision making and positioning - these are both parts of the game that tend to naturally imporve with age.

IMO he has all the basics needed to be a legend for England and a World Class player - he just needs to improve some of the mental elements of the game, especially if he wants to be successful in Europe

only time will tell... i still reckon he is 27... like some of the african players he has a dodgy passport, like does anyone know how old Kanu really is? Its not like he comes from england...

Rooney does have technical abilty and he is good at running with the ball, but fo some reason doesnt seem to run with the ball or shoot from 30 yards out anymore. Maybe he needs to be more selfish and ball greedy like Ronaldo sometimes.

When Rooney is in the zone, he can do anything. He needs to learn how to play like a striker/forward and spend less time running after the ball. This along with consistency will come with age. when this happens he will be one of the finest players in the world.

Ronaldo is playing much better than Rooney, but I dint think there is much difference betyween the two abilty wise. Ronaldo has higher technique, better at dribling, better in the air and is faster. Rooney is better at shooting, better at passing, has better desicion making, better team work skills and superior mentality. If you could combine the two together you would get Ronaldo (the Brazilian one pre injury).

Ronaldo isnt as good as everyone makes out and Rooney isnt as bad as everyone makes out, thats the truth.

Yes he's close to being World class despite having no goals internationally and no goals in Europe.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Yes he's close to being World class despite having no goals internationally and no goals in Europe.

One of the best players in the Premiership. An average player in Europe.

he has goals in international football and Europe.

What are you on?

This season?