Roma-Manchester United Police incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkGjB31S2hM

The commentators make me laugh:
"The Italian Police are absolute disgrace".
"I don't know how all this happened, but....". "When Middlesbrough went there during the U.E.F.A cup the police surrounded them...." .

I can understand that the Roman police went to hard, but the way the commentators reacted towards what they saw is poor. At least have some dignity to find out what really happened, instead of immediately blame the police.

We didnt have any troubles in the ground from what I remember...was all the night before in a pub where those Ultra's attacked the place.

borocooper wrote:We didnt have any troubles in the ground from what I remember...was all the night before in a pub where those Ultra's attacked the place.

Roman or from Lazio? Lazio's ultra are pretty tough.

It was the police...any normal person can see that. Again I will say, Police in european matches go at fans like raging bulls with batons. Which is not only un-necessary, but inflames the situation.

Was the Roma ones...we've never played Lazio at Lazio.

You mean Lazio in Rome, right?

borocooper wrote:Was the Roma ones...we've never played Lazio at Lazio.

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:It was the police...any normal person can see that. Again I will say, Police in european matches go at fans like raging bulls with batons. Which is not only un-necessary, but inflames the situation.

Did you see what the documentary following the English hooligans at the World Cup? The 'fans' were trying to provoke the Police into cracking skulls but they showed restraint and therefore it passed of relatively peacefully. The Spanish police and the Carbinieri on the other hand have no qualms with this. Simple rules when watching the match; if the guy next to you starts throwing bottles, move away.

It always makes it laugh when you here a supporter says, 'I tried talking to him but he hit me with the baton' - yeah because he will understand you if you start talking in English loudly.

If the Police keep ignoring hooligan behaviour at matches they will try more desperate things in order to start a fight. I'm not saying that fans from other countries are perfect, but this notion that English fans have become civilized overnight, and foreigners are a bunch of Neanderthals is a load of crap`

bluenine wrote:You mean Lazio in Rome, right?

borocooper wrote:Was the Roma ones...we've never played Lazio at Lazio.

I did.

Alive and Kicking wrote:

borocooper wrote:We didnt have any troubles in the ground from what I remember...was all the night before in a pub where those Ultra's attacked the place.

Roman or from Lazio? Lazio's ultra are pretty tough.

they're mainly pretty nazi... They (a few thousand, not a few) were disgracefully douing monkey chants, every time one of our black players touched the ball.

Never had any problems visiting awaymatches in Italy (visited all Feyenoord matches and 1 Arsenal one).

Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

We don't have the details, but all I know is that every incident has drunk English fans as protagonists. First it was when Lille hosted the Mancs. Then when Roma played the Mancs. And yesterday, when Sevilla played Tottenham.

Folks, that's THREE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES WITH THREE DIFFERENT POLICE. The only one constant is drunk English "football fans". I was let down by The Times (newspaper is going down) with their blinkered views "Should Roma be kicked out?". Put the blame elsewhere, the Mancs lose the match, their fans behave like dickheads abroad after a few drinks, chaos follows in two different countries (France and Italia), but THE TIMES asks "should Roma be kicked out?"

This shite reminds me of the 80's. It started just like this. Some English dickheads starting shite in every country their teams played, and it reached its boiling point at Heysel. It all looks the same, it started just like this.

Puro wrote:We don't have the details, but all I know is that every incident has drunk English fans as protagonists. First it was when Lille hosted the Mancs. Then when Roma played the Mancs. And yesterday, when Sevilla played Tottenham.

Folks, that's THREE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES WITH THREE DIFFERENT POLICE. The only one constant is drunk English "football fans". I was let down by The Times (newspaper is going down) with their blinkered views "Should Roma be kicked out?". Put the blame elsewhere, the Mancs lose the match, their fans behave like dickheads abroad after a few drinks, chaos follows in two different countries (France and Italia), but THE TIMES asks "should Roma be kicked out?"

This shite reminds me of the 80's. It started just like this. Some English dickheads starting shite in every country their teams played, and it reached its boiling point at Heysel. It all looks the same, it started just like this.

Puro mate...I remember very well the WC 1998.2 things were shocking..The problem with the policeman and the violent german fan..And of course the riots at Marseille with our english friends involved.The destruction at Marseille was massive...It's incredible how stupid and violent our english friends can be when they are drunk!

The article about 1998 is there

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/113220.stm

As usual they say they aren't rresponsable...it is the fault of the dirty police.That's what say the italian guy in Lequipe article i posted.He says the english always "blame the dirty police.That's a national sports there to critic the police".

borocooper wrote:We didnt have any troubles in the ground from what I remember...was all the night before in a pub where those Ultra's attacked the place.

Probably because your fans weren't so stupid as to charge towards the fucking police.

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Tweedle wrote:
Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

The police here are nigh on useless tweedle. Went out a couple of weeks ago and my mate clearly had his drink spiked, but they wouldn't allow a blood test. Nor would they search the person that everyone knew had done it... Far more concerned with attempting to arrest me and a couple of others for swearing.

Can we please call them "ManYoo fans" instead of "the english"? Newcastle have had over 100 european games and have never had any trouble like this, i don't think i've ever seen Arsenal or Chelsea fans cause trouble either(might be wrong about Chelsea).

Tweedle wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Pro Fox-hunting protest in Parliament square

zen and the art of wrote:

Tweedle wrote:
Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

The police here are nigh on useless tweedle. Went out a couple of weeks ago and my mate clearly had his drink spiked, but they wouldn't allow a blood test. Nor would they search the person that everyone knew had done it... Far more concerned with attempting to arrest me and a couple of others for swearing.

I know hey're useless in those situations but its hardly relevant here. I got arrested and cautioned for a crime I didn't even commit when I was 16!

Samba de Baiano wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Pro Fox-hunting protest in Parliament square

And so they should, the rich fuckers deserve to have their faces smashed in

Samba de Baiano wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Pro Fox-hunting protest in Parliament square

Now they really were a bunch of trouble makers, at the time i felt like getting the train all the way down to London just so i could moon and taunt them. Arseholes, every one of them.

Kimbo wrote:(might be wrong about Chelsea)

Didn't they show their fans doing nazi salutes against Copenhagen in that documentary years ago? Got into fights afterwards aswell.

I blame the shit plastic flags they hand out for atmosphere personally.

Tweedle wrote:

Samba de Baiano wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Pro Fox-hunting protest in Parliament square

And so they should, the rich fuckers deserve to have their faces smashed in

Karma. See how the universe balances things out, both rich and poor aren't exempt from a truncheon.

Samba de Baiano wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Samba de Baiano wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Pro Fox-hunting protest in Parliament square

And so they should, the rich fuckers deserve to have their faces smashed in

Karma. See how the universe balances things out. Both rich and poor aren't exempt from a truncheon.

They were acting like cunts though. They thought that because of their positions in society they could act as though they were above the law; the same people that probably sit around all day moaning about 'inner city black thugs destroying the country through their lawlessness'

Tweedle wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Oh dear,oh dear...

According to the "italian prefet" the english are RESPONSABLE of all the problems (he proved it with a video).Stop this debate now...The english fans are always involved in this kind of sh!t..Wa all know that.The italian police only done the "dirty job" they have to do in this situation.Oh the article is there and from Lequipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070406_145111Dev.html

Clearly bullshit - name me the last time this type of reaction has happened in the UK?

Yeah Lequipe is Bullshit in general but they aren't responsable if the italian prefet accuse the english fans.In fact the italian prefet asked all the pub to not sell beers before the game (we all know why...)but he was shocked to see it was easy to buy beer around the stadium(so it was possible for you know who to be drunk)...And after the first 1 goal for Roma 100 or 200 ENGLISH FANS decided to attack the italian(video prove it).

Tweed mate,you seem to be very excited at the moment.Believe us,we don't considere all the english fans as holligans but you have to admit some of your english compatriots are pure disgrace

Roma fans caught in action :
http://www.rathergood.com/stabbypool/

Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

I am still waiting at the time the English get a little self critique....

Today it is in short:

Police... police... other countries.... other countries.....

We English are angles and we cook proper food....

FYI ricardo, the food in Amsterdam was awful

What is it with them putting a picture of what the food looks like on all the menus?

Íts for English tourists... they can't read when they are drunk...