Roma-Manchester United Police incident

Ricardo Jol wrote:Íts for English tourists... they can't read when they are drunk...

*stoned

Ricardo Jol wrote:I am still waiting at the time the English get a little self critique....

Today it is in short:

Police... police... other countries.... other countries.....

We English are angles and we cook proper food....

I'm still waiting for the rest of europe to critique itself...

So far all i've heard is...

"The english... blah blah blah... drunk... blah.... arrogant... blah blah... hooligans blah"

"We europeans are angels, yes our fans and police cause trouble all the time but this time there are english involved so we must blame them".

Didnt some of the Dutchies blame the French police when Feyenoord got in trouble aswell..?

borocooper wrote:Didnt some of the Dutchies blame the French police when Feyenoord got in trouble aswell..?

Yes! The only thing I am angry at is the double standards in Europe! When you throw in a lot of money you may riot till your ready but when you are a smaller nation with less money you are banned!

Ricardo Jol wrote:Íts for English tourists... they can't read when they are drunk...

lol

Ricardo Jol wrote:

borocooper wrote:Didnt some of the Dutchies blame the French police when Feyenoord got in trouble aswell..?

Yes! The only thing I am angry at is the double standards in Europe! When you throw in a lot of money you may riot till your ready but when you are a smaller nation with less money you are banned!

probably best to just blame the French then.

The Feyenoord problem was far worse than the utd or Spurs fans though

Ricardo Jol wrote:

borocooper wrote:Didnt some of the Dutchies blame the French police when Feyenoord got in trouble aswell..?

Yes! The only thing I am angry at is the double standards in Europe! When you throw in a lot of money you may riot till your ready but when you are a smaller nation with less money you are banned!

Err..Ricardo mate.I've seen the image of what they have done at Nancy and it was shocking!

I always told you Holland is the most "britanic" after after England and co.The behaviour of your fans is the proof

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

Then give us a break with your England bashing you silly Frog cunt.

Like i said in another thread, Europe doesn't give a shit about THEIR hooligan problems, over the past 10 years our fans have been pelted with bottles, flares, rocks etc etc etc in many stadiums all over europe. Inter, Marseilles, Olympiakos, Palermo etc. No action is ever taken.

Kimbo wrote:Like i said in another thread, Europe doesn't give a shit about THEIR hooligan problems, over the past 10 years our fans have been pelted with bottles, flares, rocks etc etc etc in many stadiums all over europe. Inter, Marseilles, Olympiakos, Palermo etc. No action is ever taken.

You forgot Galatasaray which was truly shocking, where they killed 2 leeds players and no action was taken

* fans even

But our fans are the trouble makers as usual...we have a good time on holiday, yet Ricardo seems to generalise normal people in with 21 year old pissheads who go abroad just to go clubbing...

And then they moan about stereotyping etc...Some people are so Anti-English on here it's sad...

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

Then give us a break with your England bashing you silly Frog cunt.

...? WHUFC.

I posted an article from LEQUIPE saying the prefet of Roma accuses the english fans with a video.He is clear "the english fans are responsable and they always blame the police bla bla bla"

Then i said the english fans are regularly involved in this kind of holligans problems and you can't accept it.

I have no idea why you insult me...As we say in France "certaines verites sont dures a entendre" it means "Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear"

You have a lot of anger for someone that doesn't drink Deano

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Some people are so Anti-English on here it's sad...

True ..

There would be a outcry if Manchester United progress.

Imagine a all English final !

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

Then give us a break with your England bashing you silly Frog cunt.

...? WHUFC.

I posted an article from LEQUIPE saying the prefet of Roma accuses the english fans with a video.He is clear "the english fans are responsable and they always blame the police bla bla bla"

Then i said the english fans are regularly involved in this kind of holligans problems and you can't accept it.

I have no idea why you insult me...As we say in France "certaines verites sont dures a entendre" it means "Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear"

Maybe an insult is out of line...BUT you have to understand that if a group of the same posters were constantly starting threads slagging off France for everything, you would get annoyed!

The English are often involved due to other Europeans disliking us. Last night wasn't even trouble between two sets of fans and then we "always blame the police"...does that mean Spurs fans were fighting themselves?

Some of the comments on here are a joke...English fans are no where near as bad as some..and as much as I hate to admit it, Italian fans are some of the worst.

Tweedle wrote:You have a lot of anger for someone that doesn't drink Deano

I don't like it when England/Italy are verbally attacked and slagged off for no reason.

I'm not exactly patriotic either, but it pisses me off.

Tweedle wrote:You have a lot of anger for someone that doesn't drink Deano

I have a friend half french half from Poland...When he says something stupid he says it's cos he has Pole blood and as you surely know they drink a lot there.

It's the same thing for YMCA...doesn't need to be drunk to be anger..he has already enough english blood in him

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

Then give us a break with your England bashing you silly Frog cunt.

...? WHUFC.

I posted an article from LEQUIPE saying the prefet of Roma accuses the english fans with a video.He is clear "the english fans are responsable and they always blame the police bla bla bla"

Then i said the english fans are regularly involved in this kind of holligans problems and you can't accept it.

I have no idea why you insult me...As we say in France "certaines verites sont dures a entendre" it means "Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear"

Maybe an insult is out of line...BUT you have to understand that if a group of the same posters were constantly starting threads slagging off France for everything, you would get annoyed!

The English are often involved due to other Europeans disliking us. Last night wasn't even trouble between two sets of fans and then we "always blame the police"...does that mean Spurs fans were fighting themselves?

Some of the comments on here are a joke...English fans are no where near as bad as some..and as much as I hate to admit it, Italian fans are some of the worst.

Now we agree..Italian AND english fans are disgrace !lol

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

Then give us a break with your England bashing you silly Frog cunt.

...? WHUFC.

I posted an article from LEQUIPE saying the prefet of Roma accuses the english fans with a video.He is clear "the english fans are responsable and they always blame the police bla bla bla"

Then i said the english fans are regularly involved in this kind of holligans problems and you can't accept it.

I have no idea why you insult me...As we say in France "certaines verites sont dures a entendre" it means "Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear"

Maybe an insult is out of line...BUT you have to understand that if a group of the same posters were constantly starting threads slagging off France for everything, you would get annoyed!

The English are often involved due to other Europeans disliking us. Last night wasn't even trouble between two sets of fans and then we "always blame the police"...does that mean Spurs fans were fighting themselves?

Some of the comments on here are a joke...English fans are no where near as bad as some..and as much as I hate to admit it, Italian fans are some of the worst.

Now we agree..Italian AND english fans are disgrace !lol

Not really....a lot of fans from both are passionate. In Euro 2004 and WC06..England had the most fans there other than the hosts. One German hosts said there were 120,000 English fans in total during one of the games...some in the stadium and lots outside.

Italian fans are often passionate too.

You get your good and bad everywhere, Lille and Nancy fans aren't exactly great either. I found Metz fans fine though

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:Perhaps English were involved as they know how to fight and defend themselves....unlike some countries...France.

Oh yeah they so good for fighting that they complain cos the police from Italy,Spain and France kicking their arrogant arses.Give me a break

Then give us a break with your England bashing you silly Frog cunt.

...? WHUFC.

I posted an article from LEQUIPE saying the prefet of Roma accuses the english fans with a video.He is clear "the english fans are responsable and they always blame the police bla bla bla"

Then i said the english fans are regularly involved in this kind of holligans problems and you can't accept it.

I have no idea why you insult me...As we say in France "certaines verites sont dures a entendre" it means "Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear"

Maybe an insult is out of line...BUT you have to understand that if a group of the same posters were constantly starting threads slagging off France for everything, you would get annoyed!

The English are often involved due to other Europeans disliking us. Last night wasn't even trouble between two sets of fans and then we "always blame the police"...does that mean Spurs fans were fighting themselves?

Some of the comments on here are a joke...English fans are no where near as bad as some..and as much as I hate to admit it, Italian fans are some of the worst.

Now we agree..Italian AND english fans are disgrace !lol

And the French, as i've already said Newcastle fans have been pelted with rocks, bottles, and flares over there. Marseilles fans even set fire to the stadium. Obviously the french took no action though and chose to ignore their problems.

No one is saying ALL the english fans are holligans...A few of course but to say it is the police fault for the riots is nonsence.

borocooper wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:

borocooper wrote:Didnt some of the Dutchies blame the French police when Feyenoord got in trouble aswell..?

Yes! The only thing I am angry at is the double standards in Europe! When you throw in a lot of money you may riot till your ready but when you are a smaller nation with less money you are banned!

probably best to just blame the French then.

No it is ALSO our problem! Maybe you guys can't understand that... Those thugs has to be prisoned!

Though...the French police did everything wrong. They didn't listen to Feyenoord, the KNVB and the Dutch police those terrorists were going to Nancy. But, the French gave them tickets and escorted them to the stadium instead of throwing them in jail!

The thing is! Why to allow some nations to riot but others have to get banned for the same kind of things...?

Arnaud is beautiful wrote:No one is saying ALL the english fans are holligans...A few of course but to say it is the police fault for the riots is nonsence.

I's not 100% the police fault you are right...BUT, the way they handle the situation isn't exactly great is it?

For example all they needed to do was block out the Rom and United fans completely and then anyone who approached the other set of fans then action carried out. However they decided to go staright in with batons hitting everyone in sight...

Last night was even worse. The police started the half time fight...The Spurs fans were singing and then the police came in with batons (and received a kicking twice)

"And the French, as i've already said Newcastle fans have been pelted with rocks, bottles, and flares over there. Marseilles fans even set fire to the stadium. Obviously the french took no action though and chose to ignore their problems."

That's the only problem in France.The thing is that the Marseille fans are upstairs and the visitors fans downstairs so it is easy for the Marseille fans to use rocks ect and the visitors can't defend themself.PSG fans have the same problem every years and the Marseille president promised to change the thing next season...You can't say they do nothing in France

Ricardo Jol wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:

borocooper wrote:Didnt some of the Dutchies blame the French police when Feyenoord got in trouble aswell..?

Yes! The only thing I am angry at is the double standards in Europe! When you throw in a lot of money you may riot till your ready but when you are a smaller nation with less money you are banned!

probably best to just blame the French then.

No it is ALSO our problem! Maybe you guys can't understand that... Those thugs has to be prisoned!

Though...the French police did everything wrong. They didn't listen to Feyenoord, the KNVB and the Dutch police those terrorists were going to Nancy. But, the French gave them tickets and escorted them to the stadium instead of throwing them in jail!

The thing is! Why to allow some nations to riot but others have to get banned for the same kind of things...?

And WHY a club have to be judge for the action of a minority of their fans.

Take an exemple..Ok i give 5 euros to an english who knows nothing about football..With this money i know he will buy alcohol and be drunk...Then i ask him to go to the stadium and to fight for PSG with the local Marseille fans.Then is it fair to say PSG,the club,should be banned cos of this muppet who even doesn't know the club ? nah...It was very tough for the dutch club.

Arnaud, I know what you are saying! Those "feyenoord" thugs were not all Feyenoord "fans". They were just guys who wants to make trouble!

Thugs problems has more to do with a rotten society than with football

But I am arguing about the double standards of the UEFA . They want to ban hooliganism. But then, why only ban the smaller clubs....? Do nothing or treat every club the same!

Ricardo Jol wrote:Arnaud, I know what you are saying! Those "feyenoord" thugs were not all Feyenoord "fans". They were just guys who wants to make trouble!

Thugs problems has more to do with a rotten society than with football

But I am arguing about the double standards of the UEFA . They want to ban hooliganism. But then, why only ban the smaller clubs....? Do nothing or treat every club the same!

Yup...But to be fair Platini was tough with the Valencia players,particularly with Navarro after the problem with Inter.Valencia is a big club...Platini will change the thhings but he needs time...