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    Post by Parks lives Wed May 02, 2007 12:07 am

    Tweedle wrote:
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    Tweedle wrote:No Chelsea player deserved above a 6 IMO.

    Of the Liverpool players, Carra gets an 8 and Gerrard, Masch, Reina and Agger get a 7

    Rubbish, Makelele was immaculate. He was the best midfielder on show for me.

    Makalele was one of the main hoof-it culprits!

    Did you watch the game, seriously?
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    Post by COTR Wed May 02, 2007 12:07 am

    Luis wrote:Mourinho - 'we deserved to be in the final'

    unlucky mate, you're not, and you never will be with Chelsea
    he said they were the better team tonight and the only team trying to win

    a frankly hilarious comment considering we had dominated possession in normal time ( at one stage it was 70/30), we scored two goals Wink, we hit the bar and had the best chances


    the man is a bitter fool

    which makes the victory all the more sweet
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed May 02, 2007 12:08 am

    sheva7 wrote:
    BoBo Vieri wrote:
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    Fey wrote:They should have just tossed for who went through.

    Boring game, both teams played incredibly dull football.

    Think there is a no 'right' or 'wrong' team, at the end of the day playing as badly as they did chelsea didnt deserve to go through.

    But then again, liverpool have gone through playing badly too.

    Expected more, was a chance to show the foreign leagues in europe what the english teams can do, and both teams failed miserably today.

    Good luck in the final, play that badly again and milan or united will slaughter liverpool.

    Not sure...they were awful in the groups stage and against Celtic. Their lack of creativity is ridiculous.

    awful? a bit of an exageration though, not brilliant but then its all about peaking at the right time.

    I think Milan have plenty of creativity but their lack of firepower is whats worrying since they mainly rely on the midfielders, in partucular kaka, on scoring.

    Well, they couldn't score in three groups' stage matches and took more than 180 minutes to score against Celtic. Playing with a single striker doesn't help. I would like to see them winning, but they need to improve a lot.

    indeed, just as a i said, their lack of firepower is whats worrying and those stats prove it.

    Milan basically have to play with 1 striker since Gila and Inzaghi doesnt work as a partnership as neither seems able to link the midfield and attack the way Sheva did/Ronaldo does. Oliveira is not good enough to start either. Inzaghi should do a better job than Gila upfront
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    Post by Luis Wed May 02, 2007 12:08 am

    End of the day Carra was right, Mourinho is the funniest thing to come out of London since Del boy, He's walking at the end of the season anyway
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    Post by COTR Wed May 02, 2007 12:08 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:No Chelsea player deserved above a 6 IMO.

    Of the Liverpool players, Carra gets an 8 and Gerrard, Masch, Reina and Agger get a 7

    Rubbish, Makelele was immaculate. He was the best midfielder on show for me.

    Makalele was one of the main hoof-it culprits!

    Did you watch the game, seriously?
    right back at ya spank

    even the commentators picked up on maka hoofing it towards the end of the game

    he had a good game but was basically a water carrier 18 yards out as part of a 4 man defensive shield
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    Post by Rez Wed May 02, 2007 12:10 am

    COTR wrote:
    Fey wrote:They should have just tossed for who went through.

    Boring game, both teams played incredibly dull football.

    Think there is a no 'right' or 'wrong' team, at the end of the day playing as badly as they did chelsea didnt deserve to go through.

    But then again, liverpool have gone through playing badly too.

    Expected more, was a chance to show the foreign leagues in europe what the english teams can do, and both teams failed miserably today.

    Good luck in the final, play that badly again and milan or united will slaughter liverpool.
    I don't think some people get it

    we make each other player badly by being so good.

    it is also a skill

    we similarly have made united , barca and arsenal look as ordinary this season.. three of the supposed most attacikng teams in the world

    Arsenal scored 12 goals past you in 3 games, you lost twice to united, without scoring a single goal and lost to barca at home.

    So in those 8 games that you made these attacking teams look ordinary you won 2 of them and lost 6. I would love to see how you get on when the afore mentioned teams play well.

    United or Milan wont get sucked into your long ball game like Chelsea did
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    Post by Tweesus Wed May 02, 2007 12:10 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:No Chelsea player deserved above a 6 IMO.

    Of the Liverpool players, Carra gets an 8 and Gerrard, Masch, Reina and Agger get a 7

    Rubbish, Makelele was immaculate. He was the best midfielder on show for me.

    Makalele was one of the main hoof-it culprits!

    Did you watch the game, seriously?

    Maybe you didn't - saw him lob it aimlessly up the pitch on about 5 seperate occasions
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed May 02, 2007 12:11 am

    waft the hapless youth wrote:It's amazing the influence partiality has on a spectacle. Yes, it was mightily tense towards the end, pens etc, but it was a shockingly bad game IMO.

    who want's to be partial you bent c**t?

    no one likes splinters in their anus - it wasn't a specacle, but it was a thriller.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed May 02, 2007 12:12 am

    waft the hapless youth wrote:
    Ricardo Jol wrote:Zenden impressed me tonight from what I saw. That's a long time ago. The last time he convinced me was when he played for Boro!

    Shocked

    He couldn't get the ball off the ground when attempting to cross a few times. Poor performance.

    Well, I only saw the second half. But if you compare with all the $h!t performances of the rest of the players I thought Zenden played above average. He gave a few good passes and controlled the ball.

    I agree, not too special, but hey, we talk about Liverpool!!!
    There are no great players in that team.
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    Post by Lard Wed May 02, 2007 12:12 am

    Ricardo Jol wrote:
    waft the hapless youth wrote:
    Ricardo Jol wrote:Zenden impressed me tonight from what I saw. That's a long time ago. The last time he convinced me was when he played for Boro!

    Shocked

    He couldn't get the ball off the ground when attempting to cross a few times. Poor performance.

    Well, I only saw the second half. But if you compare with all the $h!t performances of the rest of the players I thought Zenden played above average. He gave a few good passes and controlled the ball.

    I agree, not too special, but hey, we talk about Liverpoo

    lol! l!!!
    There are no great players in that team.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed May 02, 2007 12:12 am

    Maybe near the death, before that when he was controlling the midfield play without any help from Flumps he was playing superbly.
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    Post by Luis Wed May 02, 2007 12:13 am

    I am off to sleep, well done Liverpool! YNWA

    The doubters never win.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed May 02, 2007 12:16 am

    Parks lives wrote:Maybe near the death, before that when he was controlling the midfield play without any help from Flumps he was playing superbly.

    He defended superbly.

    I was probably only judging Chelsea for their attacking prowess for about 70 minutes of the game though and he wasn't helping them much. I know thats not his style but it wasn't as though he kept it simple all the time.

    Still don't think he dereved more than a 6 - but a 6 is good! 5 = average, so one above that implies he did very well.

    An 8 signifies a top class performance
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed May 02, 2007 12:18 am

    OwenThomas4 wrote:
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    S4P2 wrote:my team didn't win Crying or Very sad

    Crying or Very sad

    Mad

    Sad

    cheers
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    Post by Parks lives Wed May 02, 2007 12:18 am

    Well no one on either team deserved an 8 then. Maybe Reina at a push for the penalty saves.
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    Post by None Wed May 02, 2007 12:18 am

    I agree with Beth, nobody over a 6.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed May 02, 2007 12:20 am

    Parks lives wrote:Well no one on either team deserved an 8 then. Maybe Reina at a push for the penalty saves.

    Carragher did, which I why I gave him one. Limiting Drogba to just one shot is no mean feat + he made two stunning blocks + a good clearance over the bar from about 2 feet out
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed May 02, 2007 12:22 am

    Parks lives wrote:Well no one on either team deserved an 8 then. Maybe Reina at a push for the penalty saves.

    ok

    it was the Champions League Semi Final you bloated arse ferret. If it wasn't exciting then the defensive players get credit.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed May 02, 2007 12:23 am

    Didn't think Drogba got any help at all tonight. Almost felt sorry for him, almost.

    Carra and Agger did a good job on him though, to be fair.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed May 02, 2007 12:44 am

    i dont get how anyone can give any player over 7 in rating unless they were defenders and then still. there was a surprisingly high numbers of long balls like i have never seen. even when crouch was changed with bellamy you expect them to change it a bit but no.liverpool went through and did well even though they were really tired and it is really bad that chelsea couldnt even take a bit advantage and create some chances. really bad from chelsea i must say. liverpool didnt do much other then show heart and it has brought them to the final so congrats to liverpool.
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    Post by Clergyman Superstains Wed May 02, 2007 12:52 am

    This has probably been discussed but im drunk an happy, how good was the monster mash tonight? Man of the Match in my opinion.
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    Post by Guest Wed May 02, 2007 1:44 am

    waft the hapless youth wrote:I agree with Beth, nobody over a 6.
    Not even the defenders? Just because you didn't enjoy it? Nutcase.
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    Post by None Wed May 02, 2007 2:00 am

    No, there was little for them to do, minimal pressure from either attack, bread and butter clearing, very few tackles to make. I can think of one crucial clearance (Carragher) and one crucial block (Essien).

    All in all, performances worthy of more than a 6=average, no.
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    Post by toon h Wed May 02, 2007 6:33 am

    congratulations to Liverpool. I was very happy with the way things went.

    A very tight, enjoyable game where once again Chelsea's lack of bite is surprising. Is this really the second best team in the world? Apparently not, even if they finish 20 points above Liverpool in the league. A similar game as the one against Valencia, where they were just able to turn it around. What has all the money achieved in the end? The end of an era?

    On the other hand it is again surprising to see how Liverpool with apparently limited means (players) can stifle an opponent to such a degree, typical of Benitez' side. They may win two CL's without ever having had a sniff of their domestic league. Unique, no doubt. What other coach would get a team consisting of the players it consists of into a CL final twice?
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    Post by DS Wed May 02, 2007 8:04 am

    Will anyone (neutrals) be bothered to watch if these sides meet again next yr in CL.
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    Post by toon h Wed May 02, 2007 8:10 am

    depends at what stage. I would certainly watch the CL SF game if that's where they meet.

    still, if you are 1-0 down and know that if you both score again, you'll be through, you would attempt to score, no? even if it means you might get another goal against you.

    And Liverpool are truly very difficult to play against. Is this a bad situation for football?
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    Post by DS Wed May 02, 2007 8:15 am

    I dont know its bad or not , they play a very tactical game which is effective ,may not look great for the neutrals , they also in patches play great attacking football.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed May 02, 2007 9:24 am

    waft the hapless youth wrote:No, there was little for them to do, minimal pressure from either attack, bread and butter clearing, very few tackles to make. I can think of one crucial clearance (Carragher) and one crucial block (Essien).

    All in all, performances worthy of more than a 6=average, no.
    agreed. there was to little football for any of the players to deserve a high grade. its been a long time since i have seen so little football in a top match. in the end mourinho comes out looking really bad because he prob felt he could tear them down physical like with valencia and it did work but somehow liverpool still kept it together. allthough chelsea made them look good in defence too with long balls and not putting in their wingers when finan and riise were tired. i hope he goes so we can see a more attack minded coach but because there is no point in being so defensive and spending alot of money when a club with less money and worse players can do the same job better.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed May 02, 2007 12:46 pm

    Is the game over. IS IT OVER?!
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