Werder Bremen 2006/2007

@Allez/Frank

Do think José would be fired by Abramovich if Barca and Bremen reach the next round and not Chelski?

@chirssicross: IMO, yes.

doninha wrote:@chirssicross: IMO, yes.

agreed i´ve said it loads of times roman hasn´t got where he has money wise without being v ruthless and he hasn´t spent all that money not to win the ECVL so undoubtedly a humiliating third place (regardless of opposition given their buying power) would bring the sack

I wouldn't automatically agree, though you've probably both got a point. If Mourinho fails again in the Champions League this season, especially at the first hurdle, his tenure starts to have a hollow ring to it and he probably would jump before he was pushed. You're surely right about Abramovich's ruthlessness Frank but what wise alternatives are there? Surely he's sharp enough to see that things are arguably pretty even between Bremen and Chelsea this year; third would be a bad result, granted, but even second could be a good result. Chelsea could quite plausibly perform acceptably (well, at least, as well as they usually do) and fail; after all, they came second to Liverpool in a much weaker group last year, and were ultimately outclassed by Barcelona without underperforming.

Who could, or would, replace the "special one"? Besides, Chelsea have more pressing things to worry about even before taking on Bremen; they're slightly undercooked at the moment and again Middlesbrough have proved their superiority to them (haha) in only the second game of the season.

What a group though. With arguably the best teams in three different top leagues this could be the most exciting pool in years. I can't wait.

And remember Werder boys, you'll have plenty of Arsenal and Liverpool fans cheering you on too. Prost!

Another plus for the werder boys, Barca - Werder is the final match of the group. If (and I expect them to really) Barca have already qualified by then, they'll field a "lesser" squad, and make it easier for you. And foiling Chelsea's qualification plans in the way.

I wouldnae stop laughing for a week if that happened ;-)

So it seems time is running short then for José...

Jose's already on borrowed time IMHO.

Allez_les_rouges wrote:
Who could, or would, replace the "special one"?

Hiddink, it's no coincidence he's already on Abramovich's paycheck managing Russia.

...and we all know he can manage a club and a country at the same time

If Chelsea doesn't make it out of the group, José would be done IMO.

Should that happen, he'd probably step down himself.

Jose can get sacked if Chelsea dont make it through but perhaps will get another yr.

Werder Bremen's 100 percent record in the league has been ended today as they lost 2-0 away to Schalke. Goals came from Kevin Kuranyi and Hamit Altintop with a goal in each half.

oh well.

I predicted a draw in the predictions comp.

People are still certain it's going to be between Chelsea and Bremen, yet I've told you all, Barcelona are more than beatable. Look at tonight for example.

Not sure how they actually 'outclassed us' too. We had similar possession, more shots, more shots on target at the Camp Nou last year.

You can't really count SB, because we played over 60 minutes a man short, but both sides had created a similar amount of chances before the sending off.

No way is this a 2-horse race my friends

What a shitty match by Werder last night, just when we play against Schalke. I'm still angry...
Without Tim Wiese we would have lost at least 5-0...

So that makes:
Chelsea, Barca and Bremen playing like poo the last couple of days.

Who said no chance?

Axeslammer ! wrote:look at my predictions, I picked them *before* they were the new sensation : this year I'm supporting Nurnberg

Why are you laughing at your own post axel?

Managed to get to see your match on Friday (though I was a bit late and so initially missed the Kyanyi opener).

Gentlemen... I was disappointed, not to say empört. Trying to be polite but...! I do hope this was a one-off for you. One thing that really did disgust me: what was up with the defence and theludicrous offside plan you were trying to play all the time? It was like Germany v Costa Rica but a million times worse. In a game when so many of your key players were off form, what kind of suicide was it to repeatedly play offside as the only technique of defending? An utterly clinical team would have beaten you 6-0 and I am scared now for the Chelsea games. Replace Kuranyi with Shevchenko...

I think it was the goal for 2-0 when maybe the sixth attempt to play offside failed about two or three yards inside your half; at this point it looked to me as if this was a genuine experiment, to use an offside trap as the exclusive means of defence. In which case, what mindless arrogance, especially against a team rated third (?) in the Bundesliga. The worst of it was that people like Fritz do actualy look decent defenders. No wonder Wiese was struggling to contain his anger, not only after but during the match; I have to agree with your remarks earlier Chrissi, but even then there was more than one one-on-one where a top striker should not have given the goalkeeper a chance.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude on your thread but I do hope you can reassure me that I won't be so disappointed next time and that you will bounce back! Just having heard so much about your boys... I do still wish you all the very best, especially in the Champions League!!

Herzliches Beileid anyway (and I know my own team has problems...!)

Tweedledum wrote:Why are you laughing at your own post axel?

Why is everybody calling me Axel ?!

My name is Axeslammer, Axe or Bas

I was laughing at my own post because Nurnberg (who were fighting against relegation when Legend Hansi Meyer took over halfway through last season) are top of the table after having held FC Hollywood to a draw !

Hans Meyer rules.

Allez_les_rouges wrote:Managed to get to see your match on Friday (though I was a bit late and so initially missed the Kyanyi opener).

Gentlemen... I was disappointed, not to say empört. Trying to be polite but...! I do hope this was a one-off for you. One thing that really did disgust me: what was up with the defence and theludicrous offside plan you were trying to play all the time? It was like Germany v Costa Rica but a million times worse. In a game when so many of your key players were off form, what kind of suicide was it to repeatedly play offside as the only technique of defending? An utterly clinical team would have beaten you 6-0 and I am scared now for the Chelsea games. Replace Kuranyi with Shevchenko...

I think it was the goal for 2-0 when maybe the sixth attempt to play offside failed about two or three yards inside your half; at this point it looked to me as if this was a genuine experiment, to use an offside trap as the exclusive means of defence. In which case, what mindless arrogance, especially against a team rated third (?) in the Bundesliga. The worst of it was that people like Fritz do actualy look decent defenders. No wonder Wiese was struggling to contain his anger, not only after but during the match; I have to agree with your remarks earlier Chrissi, but even then there was more than one one-on-one where a top striker should not have given the goalkeeper a chance.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude on your thread but I do hope you can reassure me that I won't be so disappointed next time and that you will bounce back! Just having heard so much about your boys... I do still wish you all the very best, especially in the Champions League!!

Herzliches Beileid anyway (and I know my own team has problems...!)

I'm sorry, you were disappointed Allez, but so were all Werder fans that night. It's safe to say it was the worst match by Werder Bremen since a long time.

With regard to our defence you're right, even though at the end of the last season our offside trap worked relatively well (ask Nedved ). The problem is a complete new defence was playing against Schalke. Fritz, Pasanen, Naldo and Wome played Instead of Owomoyela, Fahrenhorst, Naldo and Schulz and it needs a lot of practice to use an offside trap. So it was even a lot more risky than normally to play like this.
But the problem was not only our defence: We played far too arrogant, far too lazy with too less effort and ideas and so we got what we deserved. And Schalke had a very good day.

However you shouldn't expect too much defending from Werder Bremen and with regard to Tim Wiese and top strikers: He ruined some pretty good chances from Nedved and Trezeguet when we played against Juventus last season...

The good thing is Jose watched this match against Schalke...hopefully he underestimates us now...

No all good... thaks for pointing out the issues with the defence! It does indeed seem to have been bad luck on my part to pick them on a game like that... not even unser Miro able to do anything about it! At least I hope you're not offended by my unkind words, and let's hope you're right about José. But I do imagine that the best managers do actually watch all the foreign leagues (not just Wenger), unlike the Hansens of this world, so that might be wishful thinking – but it's something to cling on to!

Let's hope Merte isn't out too long, for your sake and for the Mannschaft's. We should be all right with a bunch of Friedrichs and Herthaners for Ireland etc, but we'll want him, Metzelder and the rest back for the Czechs...

Where is Blut by the way? Is he still weeping tears of consternation over last Friday night?

Allez_les_rouges wrote:No all good... thaks for pointing out the issues with the defence! It does indeed seem to have been bad luck on my part to pick them on a game like that... not even unser Miro able to do anything about it! At least I hope you're not offended by my unkind words, and let's hope you're right about José. But I do imagine that the best managers do actually watch all the foreign leagues (not just Wenger), unlike the Hansens of this world, so that might be wishful thinking – but it's something to cling on to!

Let's hope Merte isn't out too long, for your sake and for the Mannschaft's. We should be all right with a bunch of Friedrichs and Herthaners for Ireland etc, but we'll want him, Metzelder and the rest back for the Czechs...

Where is Blut by the way? Is he still weeping tears of consternation over last Friday night?

I'm not offended, Allez. You basically said it was shitty match and that's exactly my opinion as well. I was only a bit surprised you cared so much about a Bremen match since you're an Arsenal supporter. Hopefully you haven't watched the Italy v Germany match before the WC...otherwise I can imagine you must have been pretty angry...

I also hope of course Merte will be fit again soon, so we finally have our new TwinTowers defence...
Btw Merte is writing a column from time to time on his website. The newest is from today. He tells a bit about when he hopes to be fit again.
http://www.per-mertesacker.de/?112A0A4769

Unfortunately I don't know where Blut is...seems he disappears completely from time to time. Maybe he's on holiday in Huntington Beach together with Otto?

Diego was voted footballer of the Month August in Germany. It's already the 8th time a footballer from Werder Bremen won that title since 2003.
Don't mention the Lederhosen...

http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/354294

chrissicross wrote:Diego was voted footballer of the Month August in Germany. It's already the 8th time a footballer from Werder Bremen won that title since 2003.
Don't mention the Lederhosen...

http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/354294

Diego has looked awesome in his first two matches, must be fun to be a Werder fan at this time.

(my club has just sold the fan's favourite ;()

I expect der Mensch Meyer to be voted manager of the month, was he ?

Axeslammer ! wrote:
Diego has looked awesome in his first two matches, must be fun to be a Werder fan at this time.

Yeah, the season has begun pretty good for us with winning the League Cup by beating the HSV and Bayern and the first two League matches won. But a shame we have lost so disgracefully against Schalke...

Axeslammer ! wrote:
I expect der Mensch Meyer to be voted manager of the month, was he ?

Hmm, I don't think we have a manager/coach of the month voting...but he would have surely deserved it with Nürnberg topping the Bundesliga table...

chrissicross wrote:

Allez_les_rouges wrote:No all good... thaks for pointing out the issues with the defence! It does indeed seem to have been bad luck on my part to pick them on a game like that... not even unser Miro able to do anything about it! At least I hope you're not offended by my unkind words, and let's hope you're right about José. But I do imagine that the best managers do actually watch all the foreign leagues (not just Wenger), unlike the Hansens of this world, so that might be wishful thinking – but it's something to cling on to!

Let's hope Merte isn't out too long, for your sake and for the Mannschaft's. We should be all right with a bunch of Friedrichs and Herthaners for Ireland etc, but we'll want him, Metzelder and the rest back for the Czechs...

Where is Blut by the way? Is he still weeping tears of consternation over last Friday night?

I'm not offended, Allez. You basically said it was shitty match and that's exactly my opinion as well. I was only a bit surprised you cared so much about a Bremen match since you're an Arsenal supporter. Hopefully you haven't watched the Italy v Germany match before the WC...otherwise I can imagine you must have been pretty angry...

I also hope of course Merte will be fit again soon, so we finally have our new TwinTowers defence...
Btw Merte is writing a column from time to time on his website. The newest is from today. He tells a bit about when he hopes to be fit again.
http://www.per-mertesacker.de/?112A0A4769

Unfortunately I don't know where Blut is...seems he disappears completely from time to time. Maybe he's on holiday in Huntington Beach together with Otto?

Thanks for the Merte site, that's kool. With any luck he will be right soon; you need a proper defence for Chelsea! (By the way watching them on Sunday, when at least in the 2nd half (v Blackburn) I thought they were more impressive than in their first, boring victory over Manchester City (of all teams ), I was really fed up with how wasted Ballack was – or at least is at the moment – in their system, with two superb defensive midfielders and Lampard going forward; he wasn't able to do much, though in objective footballing terms Lampard should now be the one to be dropped!) Let's hope Ballack doesn't have to many insider tips to give them on how to beat you.

It's not that I cared that much, but one really has to go out of one's way to find such matches here if you're not equipped with loads of satellite stuff, and obviously after Hertha I'd like to see Bremen do well in Germany, and indeed after Arsenal in Europe, and especially after all your "hype" one expects something ! I'm very good at getting into supporting even secondary teams and it's more fun that way - especially when you have effort and expectations involved. (e.g. I had SO much fun supporting the Aussies in their WM matches – especially the Croatian match, when I was in Munich.)

I didn't get to see the disastrous 4-1; as far as I know there are about two places you can go in London if you want to see a match like that (though I'd be delighted if anyone knows of more options), but now post-WM I'm making more of an effort to see matches if I possibly can.

By the way don't be too disheartened about the "shitty match" – my dad, who never gets to see matches like that, said "they look like two good teams"! I'm just concerned that it wouldn't necessarily have convinced our English associates of the mighty quality of the Bundesliga...

Allez_les_rouges wrote:...and especially after all your "hype" one expects something

Me and hyping? I only provide interesting facts...

Allez_les_rouges wrote:
...my dad, who never gets to see matches like that, said "they look like two good teams"!

What do you mean with matches like that and why does your Dad never get to see matches like that?

Allez_les_rouges wrote:I'm just concerned that it wouldn't necessarily have convinced our English associates of the mighty quality of the Bundesliga...

I have to admit I hardly ever watch EPL matches, only recently I got a bit more interested because of Michael Ballack. So I watched Middlesbrough v Chelsea (without Ballack ) and a bit of their last match against Blackburn, but both matches didn't convince of the mighty quality of the EPL.

No fair enough, I'm not the one you need to argue that point with! Let's hope the next Bremen or Bundesliga game matches up to expectations better (not that that one was a bad game, just you were fairly poor...)

(My dad is much more of a rugby man and doesn't have access to non-terrestrial stuff – I suppose I mean anything that isn't readily available on terrestrial or at least in bars – anyway, was basically humouring me; in fact he's such an old-fashioned socialist I think he disapproves of the very idea of any kind of satellite, digital etc television...)

The next time I see you will probably be against the Chelsea then, so let's hope Miro along with Lu-lu-lu-lukas can warm up with a hatful tomorrow ;-)

(sorry, I've hardly been on this forum since Friday...)