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    Post by Jaime Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:42 pm

    Doesn't really matter if there aren't many Zigic's, the problem is we don't have anyone in the back who is dominant in the air and Metzelder should resolve that easily.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:43 pm

    What about the CL, supermadrid? Still, I can't believe that Zigic is the only player in the league who is strong in the air. Razz
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    Post by fcb Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:43 pm

    Jaime wrote:Chivu's agent made no secret of his intentions: "Chivu will sign for the team that offers him the most money, for the longest duration of time."

    He can stay in Roma for all I care.

    One thing's for sure - whichever team he picks, the rival fans have an instant insult ready Very Happy
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:44 pm

    Jaime wrote:Chivu's agent made no secret of his intentions: "Chivu will sign for the team that offers him the most money, for the longest duration of time."

    He can stay in Roma for all I care.

    At least he was honest. You can be sure that the majority of the players think like him.
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    Post by TM Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:45 pm

    Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool
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    Post by golsud Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:45 pm

    Most players are mercenaries but you don't need to go around telling that you are one.
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    Post by golsud Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:46 pm

    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:46 pm

    That might be true sheva, but only few players are that greedy and ungrateful that they want their current club, the club that actually gave them their status, not to see a penny for them so they can earn even more.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:46 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:What about the CL, supermadrid? Still, I can't believe that Zigic is the only player in the league who is strong in the air. Razz
    well like i said metzelders height will be a plus but it cant be his best quality or he wont do well. it seems he is a smart player so he should do well. i just dont want some akward type defender like alex. he will defo help in Cl so we can deal with the likes of pizzaro who gave us big problems.
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    Post by TM Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:46 pm

    golsud wrote:
    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.
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    Post by Effenberg Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:49 pm

    TM wrote:
    golsud wrote:
    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.

    f@ck off. lol!
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    Post by fcb Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:49 pm

    TM wrote:
    golsud wrote:
    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.

    Was a terrible penalty too. Half decent keeper would have saved it, and mark my words, if he takes one again at a crucial moment in the knockout stages he's bound to miss it when it matters most.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:49 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:That might be true sheva, but only few players are that greedy and ungrateful that they want their current club, the club that actually gave them their status, not to see a penny for them so they can earn even more.

    Well, there's nothing wrong in seeing out his contract.
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    Post by Cristiano Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:49 pm

    Jaime wrote:Doesn't really matter if there aren't many Zigic's, the problem is we don't have anyone in the back who is dominant in the air and Metzelder should resolve that easily.

    Sergio Ramos decent in the air and i'll be happy to see the back of or Helguara and R.Carlos, watch the goals we conciede and watch what Helguera and R.Carlos are doing, its comical at times, a lot of the times R. Carlos is not even in the picture Doh
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:49 pm

    supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:
    well like i said metzelders height will be a plus but it cant be his best quality or he wont do well. it seems he is a smart player so he should do well. i just dont want some akward type defender like alex. he will defo help in Cl so we can deal with the likes of pizzaro who gave us big problems.

    To put it bluntly: He is no donkey. Haven't you watched him play? He is no Beckenbauer either (who is?), but he is comfortable on the ball, and he is smart and fair. He rarely gets booked.

    He will need time to adjust to the league, but with the right partner, I can see him do very well for you guys.
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    Post by TM Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:49 pm

    kas wrote:
    TM wrote:
    golsud wrote:
    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.

    Was a terrible penalty too. Half decent keeper would have saved it, and mark my words, if he takes one again at a crucial moment in the knockout stages he's bound to miss it when it matters most.

    His PK in his hattrick was good ok
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    Post by Jaime Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:50 pm

    golsud wrote:Most players are mercenaries but you don't need to go around telling that you are one.

    Robinho just finished reading the new best-seller: "How Be A Successful Cheat in Football" co-authored by Ronaldo de Assis and Lionel Messi


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    Post by TM Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:50 pm

    Effenberg wrote:
    TM wrote:
    golsud wrote:
    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.

    f@ck off. lol!

    Ha. Go Shag A Sheep.
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    Post by fcb Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:50 pm

    I think the difference with Chivu and most other players is that he doesn't even care about the challenge of a different league. Most players of his reputation/calibre would want to move to a top team in another top league (after finishing in Italy) and accept the same or equal pay. And what's worse is, his agent said "oh, if we don't get big bucks now, we'll just see out the contract, abuse the Bosman, and then try and force an even bigger sum in wages".
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    Post by golsud Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:52 pm

    It was a clear dive. If it was a Barça player your comment would've been different.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:52 pm

    sheva7 wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:That might be true sheva, but only few players are that greedy and ungrateful that they want their current club, the club that actually gave them their status, not to see a penny for them so they can earn even more.

    Well, there's nothing wrong in seeing out his contract.

    If you have the chance to move to Real Madrid (or Barcelona for that matter), earn a considerable sum of money, you wait a little longer until your contract expires, so you can earn even more (while your club gets nothing)?

    Who says that Real, Barça or Inter will still be interested then, and who says that they will be willing to pay him that Ronaldinho like wage?
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:53 pm

    I can't blame him. Robinho has been by far the best player of the Copa. He would be playing even better if he had team mates like Diego, Anderson and Affonso instead of Baptista, Love and Elano.
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    Post by TM Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:55 pm

    Love and Elano are so fucking useless.
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    Post by fcb Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:55 pm

    TM wrote:
    kas wrote:
    TM wrote:
    golsud wrote:
    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.

    Was a terrible penalty too. Half decent keeper would have saved it, and mark my words, if he takes one again at a crucial moment in the knockout stages he's bound to miss it when it matters most.

    His PK in his hattrick was good ok


    lol!

    Are you joking?

    That one was even worse. At least last night he hit it kind of into the corner. That one barely squeezed past the keeper.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fkpf_brazil-vs-chile-10-tvtuga
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    Post by Torrente Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:57 pm

    While it's true that most players are mercenaries to some extent, Chivu's case is just ridiculous. Players like Robinho and Samuel for example, turned down potentially higher contracts with Chelsea to play with us. Of course, they weren't getting paid peanuts in Madrid, but it does show some level of commitment. The same goes for Diarra, who basically told Lyon that he didn't want to hear any offers from the likes of AC Milan and ManU because he had his heart set on playing with us.

    These are the type of players we should be going for. The ones who really want to play for Real Madrid. Chivu is basically a cheap dime whore who will go to whomever pays more (hey that rhymes cheers ). So the hell with him. Let's move on.
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    Post by Cristiano Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:59 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    golsud wrote:Most players are mercenaries but you don't need to go around telling that you are one.

    Robinho just finished reading the new best-seller: "How Be A Successful Cheat in Football" co-authored by Ronaldo de Assis and Lionel Messi

    It comes with an Instructional DVD.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI7qGcPUOdc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_t6OTpF5JM


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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:59 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:
    sheva7 wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:That might be true sheva, but only few players are that greedy and ungrateful that they want their current club, the club that actually gave them their status, not to see a penny for them so they can earn even more.

    Well, there's nothing wrong in seeing out his contract.

    If you have the chance to move to Real Madrid (or Barcelona for that matter), earn a considerable sum of money, you wait a little longer until your contract expires, so you can earn even more (while your club gets nothing)?

    Who says that Real, Barça or Inter will still be interested then, and who says that they will be willing to pay him that Ronaldinho like wage?

    Well, there's a 40% difference between the wages offered by Madrid and Inter. Roma didn't sign Chivu because they are nice, they wanted to make some profit. And they aren't exactly a poor club.

    In 2002 Mancine scored 15 goals in 30 matches for my fav club and he left us to join Roma under the Pelé rule (Brazilian Bosman Rule). Roma didn't pay a penny. Ask Roma if they feel sorry for us...
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    Post by golsud Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:00 pm

    So Messi learnt well from Van Nistelrooy about the art of handballing Wink
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:02 pm

    kas wrote:
    TM wrote:
    kas wrote:
    TM wrote:
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    TM wrote:Robinho scored again yday.

    4 goals thus far Cool

    Great dive to get the penalty ok

    Was minimal contact, but contact in the box ='s PK.

    Was a terrible penalty too. Half decent keeper would have saved it, and mark my words, if he takes one again at a crucial moment in the knockout stages he's bound to miss it when it matters most.

    His PK in his hattrick was good ok


    lol!

    Are you joking?

    That one was even worse. At least last night he hit it kind of into the corner. That one barely squeezed past the keeper.

    [url=https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fkpf_brazil-vs-chile-10-tvtuga
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    lol! they were exactly alike those penalties. he seems to be very bad at them. but like experts says if it goes in its a good PK. but yeah i wil be afraid when takes another.
    robinho has done well in this cup but not as well as people seem to think. i mean he played better against mexico then against chile where he got a hatrick. like sheva said he would be able to perform much better with his partner diego.

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    i havent seen too much of metzelder since they never show dortmunds games. only you guys and the dane club(schalke).
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:03 pm

    sheva7 wrote:
    Well, there's a 40% difference between the wages offered by Madrid and Inter. Roma didn't sign Chivu because they are nice, they wanted to make some profit. And they aren't exactly a poor club.

    In 2002 Mancine scored 15 goals in 30 matches for my fav club and he left us to join Roma under the Pelé rule (Brazilian Bosman Rule). Roma didn't pay a penny. Ask Roma if they feel sorry for us...

    But does that make it right? If anything, it makes him another c**t in the game.

    AFAIK, Madrid offer him €5m a year (which is a lot of money for a defender already), but that does not seem to be enough, so he wants to wait until his contract expires so he can demand €7-8m. Problem is: Can't see anyone paying him that, not even Madrid.

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