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Calidad

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Post n°481

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:47 pm

Still amazed that Higuain doesn't get picked. Tevez should be dropped. He doesn't score and offers nothing different to the likes of Messi, Aguero, Lazezzi.

Lopez and Milito at least do, as would Cavenaghi & Higuain. Cambiasso surely deserves a place in the squad as well. I know he has never been fantastic for the national side, but he is still among the top tier of midfielders in the world. Little insulting that he isn't picked IMO - particularly as he is such a model professional.

Can't do my usual complaining over Gonzalo since he is inured, as is Romero i think? Least he has stopped picking Coloccini though Heinze the liability still gets picked.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:52 pm

What I would say is that he should be trying to blood in at least one young CB; not necessarily in the starting lineup but at make one part of the squad (Fazio, Garay, Pareja) for example who all have good potential.

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Post n°483

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:55 pm

When will Brasil's squad be announced? Presumably Dunga will pick the same tired, forlorn faces, but I hear the 'Hulk' might get a call up (can't say I've ever seen him play), and it'd also be nice if Hernanes get's a callup.

I always look forward to Chile's squad announcements as well. Very exciting group of players - they'd be awesome with Columbia's defense.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Jaime Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:58 pm

Messiah wrote:Argentine WCQ squad

Goalkeepers: Juan Pablo Carrizo (Lazio, ITA), Mariano Andujar (Estudiantes) and Federico Vilar (Atlante, MEX)

Defenders: Martin Demichelis (Bayern Munich, GER), Gabrel Heinze (Real Madrid, ESP), Javier Zanetti and Walter Samuel (Inter, ITA), Daniel Diaz (Getafe, ESP), Juan Forlín (Boca Juniors), Emiliano Papa (Vélez Sarsfield) and Marcos Angeleri (Estudiantes)

Media: Fernando Gago (Real Madrid, ESP), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool, GBR), Maxi Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid, ESP), Luis González (Porto, POR), Jonas Gutierrez (Newcastle, GBR), Angel Di María (Benfica BY), Sebastian Battaglia (Boca Juniors), Juan Sebastián Verón (Estudiantes) and Daniel Montenegro (Independiente).

Delanteros: Lionel Messi (Barcelona, ESP), Sergio Agüero (Atlético de Madrid, ESP), Carlos Tevez (Manchester United, GBR), Ezequiel Lavezzi (Nápoles, ITA), Lisandro López (Oporto, POR) y Diego Milito (Génova, ITA).

We had him for a season or two in Castilla. Wasn't even a regular for them.

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Post n°485

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by L r dd Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:00 pm

Argentina have a load of mish mash.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Guest Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:08 pm

Roman has really fucked over Maradona, he was planning to try a 4-3-3 formation with the 3 midgets up front and roman cover by Masch and Gago in midfield, now he will have to find a new play maker.

Happy to see Milito being called up.

Tevez offers that extra pit of phsyicality and fighting sprite about him, plus he is a boca old boy, so he will be called up.

The likes of Diaz and heinze have to play in argentina's squad.

Would love to see Hernanes being called up for barzil, he and melo would improve their midfied greatly.

--Hernanes--Silva---Melo

Calidad

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Post n°487

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:13 pm

Gilberto Silva is past it though.

Anyway it looks as if Hernanes hasn't been called up again. Dunga oddly see's him competiton for Kaka and therefore is competing with Kaka for a spot. Why not just play him alongside a DMF behind Kaka. Shows how defensive Dunga's mindset is.

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Post n°488

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Rosicky Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:15 pm

Hopefully Ecuador can get something against Brazil in Quito.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Guest Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:16 pm

He is past yet, but i was try to keep it realistic, we know dunga will call him up.

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by BoBo Vieri 32 Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:43 pm

Why does Maradona not call up Cambiasso? And is Demichelis - Heinze really the best center back pairing they have?

I would think that anyone of Milito, Samuel, Gonzalo or Garay are better than them.

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Post n°491

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by fcb Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:47 pm

Milito is injured, Gonzalo is injured, I assume Samuel is also injured. Garay is the odd one...he hasn't even been playing regularly for Racing this year (had some injury problems too), so I guess his progress has halted a bit.

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Post n°492

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Khadrim Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:10 am

Just realized there is no Zabaleta. Who plays at right back then?

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by Guest Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:02 am

Zanetti

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Khadrim Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:28 am

oh yeah

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Post n°495

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:06 pm

Caught some of the world football phone in last night.

Someone asked a question about Argentina's squad. Bascially, he still believes Argentina lack a genuine CF up front, and is surprised Higuain hasn't been called up. He likes Diego Milito but say's he has never really played well for the national side.

He also thinks Maradona will eventually make Messi Riquelme's replacement.

He also say's Maradona loves the Gago-Mascherano partnership and is unlikely to change it.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Romford Pele Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:14 pm

I don't think Higuain is a genuine CF though.

Diego Milito is the best choice.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:40 pm

When Higuain was at River, Crespo himself proclaimed him as his future replacement. He may not be a Batigol, but he is 6ft plus, and offers something different to the collection of short-stocky SS's Argentina have. And being only 21, I think he has a fair bit of potential and given the chance could lead the forward line quite well.

Cavenaghi is another that continues to be overlooked for some reason. I don't think he is a great striker but he is a good striker, and definitely merits a place in the squad.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Guest Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:32 am

I'm kinda getting off argentina for the WC win in 2010, and getting on Brazil, the argentina team just isn't sexy enough.

Maradona are any other coach doesn't seem to want to drop the players that needs to be droped in order for the team to the team balanced, roman has made his work a little easier for him, but he still needs to drop heinze and maybe papa, and he is still trying to fit the 3 midgets in his team, he needs to pick between kun and tevez and find someone to partner him with.

going by what i've been reading and hearing, they will be play a 4-3-1-2 formation, i think it could work, if they have someone like Xavi in the midfield.

It will be interesting to see him messi does in the hole and how kun and tevez connect up fornt, but it should be Kun+Milito/lopez

---Zanetti---Demi--Samuel---Papa

-------Veron---Masch---Gago

----------------Messi

-----------Kun---------Milito

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by Super Progress Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:45 pm

Messiah wrote:I'm kinda getting off argentina for the WC win in 2010, and getting on Brazil, the argentina team just isn't sexy enough.

Maradona are any other coach doesn't seem to want to drop the players that needs to be droped in order for the team to the team balanced, roman has made his work a little easier for him, but he still needs to drop heinze and maybe papa, and he is still trying to fit the 3 midgets in his team, he needs to pick between kun and tevez and find someone to partner him with.

going by what i've been reading and hearing, they will be play a 4-3-1-2 formation, i think it could work, if they have someone like Xavi in the midfield.

It will be interesting to see him messi does in the hole and how kun and tevez connect up fornt, but it should be Kun+Milito/lopez

---Zanetti---Demi--Samuel---Papa

-------Veron---Masch---Gago

----------------Messi

-----------Kun---------Milito

This formation needs some full backs who are more dynamic. This is Argentinas big weak area while Brazil lacks good central midfielders which is what Argentina have enough off. They should use Jonas on one of the full backs.

Messi as the playmaker will be interesting because it was only really tried once before under Basile but just as he had determined to use Messi in that position Roman came back in the national team. Not sure Messi can do it but it would solve the problem of having Messi-Kun upfront which hasn't worked. Would prefer Ledesma instead of Veron in midfield.

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Initially Higuain seemed to be a second striker but this season has kind of made me question this. I think he can play both roles well a bit like Villa. Still think Milito should be tried more though.

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by Guest Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:47 pm

would like to see ledesma as well, but coach after coach overlooks him.

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Post n°501

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Black Magic Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:02 pm

I don't know what line up Argentina are employing, and what sort of tactical set up, but I would be centralising my team around a midfield and attack that consists of Kun, Lavezzi, Messi, Maxi and Mascherano all starting for 2010.

No room for Gago in the World Cup squad hopefully. Smile

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:14 pm

I don't know about Lavezzi, I haven't seen enough of him. Certainly wouldn't be building my team around Maxi though. He's a good player with notable flaws, no more, no less.

They definitely need to employ a system that will get the best out of Messi + Kun two genuine match winners. So far Messi has been running about everywhere and Kun has effectively played the lone striker, which doesn't suit him.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Black Magic Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:17 pm

Lavezzi is class and there is no doubt in my mind that he is heading into World Class status very shortly. Ale

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Post n°504

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Calidad Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:24 pm

What is Lavezzi's proper positon?

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Black Magic Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:27 pm

He usually plays the Second striker position to one of their more robust Targetmen in Denis and Zalayeta.

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by Guest Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:50 pm

if one of those midget ss where to put on a few inches argentina would be set.

is it illegal to give growth hormone to football players?

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Post n°507

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Guest Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:33 pm

when will the brazil squad be announced

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Post n°508

Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Super Progress Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:43 pm

Calidad wrote:I don't know about Lavezzi, I haven't seen enough of him. Certainly wouldn't be building my team around Maxi though. He's a good player with notable flaws, no more, no less.

They definitely need to employ a system that will get the best out of Messi + Kun two genuine match winners. So far Messi has been running about everywhere and Kun has effectively played the lone striker, which doesn't suit him.

The thing is that I simply can't see how Kun+Messi would work in the same formation without one of them losing out. Maradona has to find out who he wants to use the most of Messi and Kun.

Lavezzi is pure class and having him and Messi behind a central striker like Milito or somebody similar, perhaps Higuain, would be awesome. Also think Maxi could be useful in the right formation because you don't have to have the best or most spectacular players on every position. Problem is that Argetina don't have any left footed players coming through who can play on the wing either in midfield or defence.

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by Guest Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:28 am

Goalkeepers: Julio Cesar (Inter Milan), Doni (AS Roma)

Defenders: Daniel Alves (Barcelona), Maicon (Inter Milan), Lucio (Bayern Munich), Miranda (Sao Paulo), Thiago Silva (AC Milan), Luisao (Benfica), Marcelo (Real Madrid), Kleber (Internacional)

Midfielders: Gilberto Silva (Panathinaikos), Josue (VfL Wolfsburg), Anderson (Manchester United), Felipe Melo (Fiorentina), Elano (Manchester City), Julio Baptista (AS Roma), Kaka (AC Milan)

Forwards: Ronaldinho (AC Milan), Alexandre Pato (AC Milan), Luis Fabiano (Sevilla), Adriano (Inter Milan), Robinho (Manchester City)

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Re: South American WC Qualifiers

by fcb Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:35 am

Not a very solid look squad in midfield and attack. Bar Pato, Melo, and perhaps Luis Fabiano, all the rest of them are either average, or out of form and/or fitness and/or match practice.

Defense looks good, but Marcelo? scratch

This is a guy who's not even playing LB for his club any more because he's not good enough there.

Aurelio has been in much better form for Liverpool recently, he should have been called up.

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